Mother's body, mother's decision. Anything else comes too close to rape for me to be comfortable.
Poll: deciding about abortion.
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I'm not going to get involved in the abortion argument, but the reason Christmas is celebrated in Winter is because December 25th was a big holiday for the pagan Romans (Winter solstice I believe, though I may be wrong there). When Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Empire, almost all of the holidays and special dates (including the Sabbath) were altered to fit Roman culture so it would be more acceptable to most people.TheNecroswanson said:
That's why Christian mass is typically on Sundays, why Christmas is in December, and why Easter is in Spring. Christianity never would have survived without those alterations.
mother's decision is final, but if the father does not want the child, he does not have the right to see it, and does not need to pay child support.
this will probably require some legal document though.
this will probably require some legal document though.
oh... beaten to it by a long shotCpt_Oblivious said:
I like how everyone who's pro-life says we shouldn't do it because its murder. I can't say I agree with that but even if it was murder and I was convinced it was murder I would still be pro-choice, because I don't honestly care whether its murder or not. (And yes I'm typing this from my tower of evil while a eat kittens).
Mother should get to choose but father shouldn't have to pay money unless in circumstance of sober rape.
Mother should get to choose but father shouldn't have to pay money unless in circumstance of sober rape.
I don't think anyone can dispute this. Even the Catholic Church allows abortion in those cases where the child and the mother would die during the birth.Bigfatstupid said:
Personally, I feel that abortion is murder. Just because you're not born, that doesn't mean you're not alive. If that were the case, then abortions should be legal right up to the moment before birth.
Whether or not abortion is justifiable murder is another question entirely.
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But that question is not for this thread. Oh god no.
I look at it from a legal standpoint. Once the male's sperm is is transferred into the female's body. She becomes sole owner of the sperm and the male relinquishes all claim to the seed to the woman. It is then up to the the woman whether or not the egg will mature or not. If the male doesn't want to relinquish his claim on the sperm, he should wear proper protection or consult with the female before performing any sexual acts that might result in an unexpected presidency.
The mother should have a choice if she wants to carry a parasitic like...thing...in her belly for the next 9 months.
The mother's the one having it, the guy can take a running jump off the nearest cliff. It's all up to the mother
Only the mother should get to decide whether or not she will have an abortion, but unless it is in the reparations for some sex crime, the father should be able to dis-associate himself with the baby and not pay alimony. Although, now that I think about it, if some kook woman raped a guy and got pregnant and she wanted to keep it, it seems more fair that the father gets to decide the baby's fate. So I dunno about that situation.
With a few exceptions, I think they are unnecessary. There are many other alternatives that do not involve killing it, not to mention that with the recent good trend gay marriage has been taking in opinion polls, there will be many couples that might want a kid but physically cannot, why kill (or since some seem to think that's not the case, "prevent the life of") a kid just because you screwed up. It is not the kid's fault.
Agreed with the murder thing, but ban it? Really?0p3rati0n said:
Rape victims did not choose to have intercourse, so why should they be forced to have the child?
And should the mother's life be in clear danger from having the child, should she be forced to have it?
This basically sums it up. Although, I will say if one parent does want an abortion, and it doesn't happen, they shouldn't have to help look after it, but they shouldn't be allowed access to them, unless the other parent says so.shophius said:
love the south park reference. Personally I see abortion as a positive thing as the world is becoming too crowded. Also there are plenty of children up for adoption already, so if you are forced to have the baby like the so-called "pro-life" people want you to then that just adds another child to the adoption "market"(I call it this because it is like a grocery store [as sick as that may be] and if I remember right china is no longer exporting babies.) If you don't want to have the baby then first use a condom. Then if that fails there are pills. Then if that fails abortion becomes the last option. It's not murder in my eyes as since a baby is connected to it's mother it's not a seperate creature. It is a part of her. If she wants it gone then so be it. Besides, in a crappy economy not as many people can afford to have babies as it was a few years ago.Abedeus said:
Note: I did not mean for any of the above to be offensive, if you feel it is feel free to tell me. I was just trying to be as blunt as possible.
I apologize, I did not wish to come across as being "worked up," I simply wanted to present another side. Also one's "opinion" if put into practice (and I mean anyone's opinion not just yours) would affect lives, lives of people whom have different opinions, but whom are not allowed to act toward them.0p3rati0n said:
Thus, although I think that people should indeed get worked up over other opinions, I was not and did not wish to come across as attacking you. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
