There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.
Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.
I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.
Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.
The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.
I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.
That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.
Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.
There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.
Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.
I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.
Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.
The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.
I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.
That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.
Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.
It is one full small bottle. Also, when you look at your link almost all of the most serious dangers are qualified as being mostly problems for people who either use ridiculously high doses or who use the drug continuously. I use what is a low end recreational dose and don't use it regularly.
There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.
Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.
I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.
Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.
The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.
I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.
That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.
Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.
It is one full small bottle. Also, when you look at your link almost all of the most serious dangers are qualified as being mostly problems for people who either use ridiculously high doses or who use the drug continuously. I use what is a low end recreational dose and don't use it regularly.
They also said one recreational dose is equivalent to a full week's bender on alcohol -- which kind of puts a hole in your idea that it's no more dangerous than alcohol. The only reason I'm even posting at this point is because you're evangelizing. There's obviously no convincing you that you're screwing up your body at this point.
Not to mention, it definitely is processed by (and therefore capable of damaging) your liver. Was it you who said it wasn't, or was that someone else? Either way, not cool.
Try to find some less harmful ways to get your jollies off, while I'm sure that dream-like super awesome fun time you had when your brain was randomly firing off neurons was fun and all remember that you only miss what you know.
I've noticed that none of the research you've done mentions anything bad about (lol) recreational drug use, are you just deluding yourself or have you not actually found studies that go against what you want to believe?
Looks like everyone is having fun here but to be honest I don't think this topic is in line with what the majority of Escapists would find acceptable discussion on our forums. I realise that DXM is not restricted in any way in the US but the conversation has brought in mention of use of illegal substances. Abuse of pharmacy medicine is not something I want to be seen encouraged on these forums especially as we have a lot of young and impressionable members and I would ask the parties involved to consider moving the conversation to a private group chat or another forum where this topic is acceptable. Beyond my request I will leave final judgement to the moderators who I am sure will be able to make a reasonable judgement on a topic of this nature.
It can fuck your brain up if you abuse it when your a kid so I stayed away from it. Also I was worried that I would OD on it and ODing on cough syrup just seemed like a sad end to me. (Though now I don't believe you really can OD... maybe)
Now I'm an adult who can get his hands on much better things if he wanted to. So no rabbit hole for me. Besides I despise hallucinogens as I am very certain that I would have a bad trip. I suffer from terrible anxiety and often think of worse case scenarios.
On the other hand since I suffer from anxiety I get things like Xanax. You get a mild euphoria from it and it can be rather pleasant.
There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.
Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.
I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.
Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.
The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.
I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.
That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.
Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.
It is one full small bottle. Also, when you look at your link almost all of the most serious dangers are qualified as being mostly problems for people who either use ridiculously high doses or who use the drug continuously. I use what is a low end recreational dose and don't use it regularly.
They also said one recreational dose is equivalent to a full week's bender on alcohol -- which kind of puts a hole in your idea that it's no more dangerous than alcohol. The only reason I'm even posting at this point is because you're evangelizing. There's obviously no convincing you that you're screwing up your body at this point.
Not to mention, it definitely is processed by (and therefore capable of damaging) your liver. Was it you who said it wasn't, or was that someone else? Either way, not cool.
Huh. I didn't read to that part. It goes against everything else I've read about the drug, hours of reading from the various sources referenced by wikipedia versus one poster in a thread, but if true that is pretty risky. As it is, I've stopped using the drug with a frequency that is truly dangerous.
Also, I'm not sure if you've ever binged alcohol for a week, but I have. I've also done DXM. The first leaves the body feeling utterly destroyed, you are physically weakened, your liver can actually be in constant pain, you can barely hold a conversation. One dose of DXM doesn't come close. Maybe it's as bad, but if the way your body feels has any bearing on what is worse for you then the two are not even close.
It can fuck your brain up if you abuse it when your a kid so I stayed away from it. Also I was worried that I would OD on it and ODing on cough syrup just seemed like a sad end to me. (Though now I don't believe you really can OD... maybe)
Now I'm an adult who can get his hands on much better things if he wanted to. So no rabbit hole for me. Besides I despise hallucinogens as I am very certain that I would have a bad trip. I suffer from terrible anxiety and often think of worse case scenarios.
On the other hand since I suffer from anxiety I get things like Xanax. You get a mild euphoria from it and it can be rather pleasant.
That is a good point about it fucking your head up if you're a kid. People don't consider how much worse all drugs are on people whose brains aren't fully developed. If you're under sixteen even Washington and Colorado's favorite drug isn't safe for your brain.
You can overdose if you take too much, over the dose you were supposed to take. Also, just taking too much but not enough to overdose can lead to a bad time. My friend drank an 8 fluid ounce bottle instead of a 4 by accident and he wasn't even close to a lethal overdose for his weight but he hit the fourth plateau for around 10 hours and had a very bad time.
If you don't like hallucinogens, it's a very good decision to not try DXM.
anyone who doesn't consider alcohol a drug, does not understand what a drug is, and has probably learned everything they know about drugs from television and hearsay.
what is hearsay? that's what all you people who talk about drugs without ever trying them are doing. and it makes you look foolish, so stop it
It's really simple, anything that you have to justify with phrases like:
"it's actually pretty safe"
"I know what I'm doing"
"compared to other things..."
is obviously stupid.
The entire point of this thread seems to be pretty blatantly about finding people who agree with you, because you obviously have no intention of stopping. Some posters have made some very good, rational, and entirely reasonable, and even friendly points to you for your consideration... which you managed to rationalize away in a few seconds.
It's your life, but don't kid yourself.
The idea that chemicals enhance moments in your life is ludicrous. As you yourself have said OP the main point of a happy moment is the moment itself (quite true) but then you get lost in some nonsense about "enhancing your emotions." The emotions are the side effect. You are focusing on the side effect, not the your actual life. It's not important and can damage your actual life.
Recently a friend introduced me to recreational usage of dextromethorphan, the active ingredient in Robitussin.
It has given me both the most unpleasant and most euphorically happy moments of my life over the last couple weeks.
It's usage could definitely be described as going down a rabbit hole of sorts.
Has anyone else on the Escapist been down that rabbit hole?
Also, I checked the rules of the site since this thread is easily pushing it to make sure I'm good to go and it said not to post threads about "Illegal Drugs in the United States", however, according to Wikipedia, "No legal distinction currently exists in the United States between medical and recreational use, sale, or purchase [of dextromethorphan]." Seeing as it is not illegal in the United States, I did not feel this thread would violate any site rule.
edit- at request, here is a link explaining recreational use of DXM.
To give a better description if you don't feel like reading the wikipedia is basically that DXM is a dissociative, a class of drugs that produces dreamlike states in users, and lasts for about eight hours. It tends to produce an intense physical euphoria and feeling of invincibility, but is not marked by the same reduction in decision making capacity as other dissociatives such as salvia divinorum or phencyclidine (PCP). However, while it does not generally significantly reduce decision making or mental ability in users (I've been around people on it several times who didn't even realize I was on anything until I told them), it does produce closed eye hallucinations. If mixed with other psychoactive substances, it tends to enhance whatever effects they have on one's mental capacity.
It is not safe to mix recreational doses of DXM with any other psychoactive drug with the exception of cannabis, which, unlike DXM, is illegal and therefore not to be condoned. Even then, while it is not physically dangerous to mix the two drugs, the DXM mixes with cannabis in such a way as to significantly reduce the decision making abilities of a user. Such a mixture will not lead to PCP-style "I can fly" jump off a building level decision making, but even if an individual is a cannabis user, if they are prone to making dangerous decisions they should think twice before mixing the drug with DXM.
I've tried this, but only a few times. Totally not worth the effort for the high, especially when there are far stronger and more mind blowing chemicals. Still, it's fairly trippy. OH, and for the record, I smoked large amounts of weed and did DXM (also weed is legal here, Colorado, and as such I more than condone it's use for, well, anything, better than getting drunk and it actively fights potential cancer growth) and I didn't make any poor decisions at all. Like not even one, pretty average night aside from a few strange conversations between my tripping friends and strangers. This whole "Dangerous Decisions" Nonsense sounds like something out of reefer madness.
If you like this you should probably check out LSD or Mushrooms, I'd also suggest but with caution (as it's the only addictive chemical I'm going to mention and as such is rather dangerous) Ketamine (Trippy. As. Fuck. But don't expect to be social). Also I'd recommend DMT to EVERYONE at least once, it's a big part of the human experience as it's a chemical released at birth and at death.
Have fun young psychonaut, and remember to really get to know a dealer before playing with their stuff. I'd recommend hippies, as they generally want everyone to have fun more than they want to make money... However there are hippie gangsters... What a weird culture that is.
Recently a friend introduced me to recreational usage of dextromethorphan, the active ingredient in Robitussin.
It has given me both the most unpleasant and most euphorically happy moments of my life over the last couple weeks.
It's usage could definitely be described as going down a rabbit hole of sorts.
Has anyone else on the Escapist been down that rabbit hole?
Also, I checked the rules of the site since this thread is easily pushing it to make sure I'm good to go and it said not to post threads about "Illegal Drugs in the United States", however, according to Wikipedia, "No legal distinction currently exists in the United States between medical and recreational use, sale, or purchase [of dextromethorphan]." Seeing as it is not illegal in the United States, I did not feel this thread would violate any site rule.
edit- at request, here is a link explaining recreational use of DXM.
To give a better description if you don't feel like reading the wikipedia is basically that DXM is a dissociative, a class of drugs that produces dreamlike states in users, and lasts for about eight hours. It tends to produce an intense physical euphoria and feeling of invincibility, but is not marked by the same reduction in decision making capacity as other dissociatives such as salvia divinorum or phencyclidine (PCP). However, while it does not generally significantly reduce decision making or mental ability in users (I've been around people on it several times who didn't even realize I was on anything until I told them), it does produce closed eye hallucinations. If mixed with other psychoactive substances, it tends to enhance whatever effects they have on one's mental capacity.
It is not safe to mix recreational doses of DXM with any other psychoactive drug with the exception of cannabis, which, unlike DXM, is illegal and therefore not to be condoned. Even then, while it is not physically dangerous to mix the two drugs, the DXM mixes with cannabis in such a way as to significantly reduce the decision making abilities of a user. Such a mixture will not lead to PCP-style "I can fly" jump off a building level decision making, but even if an individual is a cannabis user, if they are prone to making dangerous decisions they should think twice before mixing the drug with DXM.
I've tried this, but only a few times. Totally not worth the effort for the high, especially when there are far stronger and more mind blowing chemicals. Still, it's fairly trippy. OH, and for the record, I smoked large amounts of weed and did DXM (also weed is legal here, Colorado, and as such I more than condone it's use for, well, anything, better than getting drunk and it actively fights potential cancer growth) and I didn't make any poor decisions at all. Like not even one, pretty average night aside from a few strange conversations between my tripping friends and strangers. This whole "Dangerous Decisions" Nonsense sounds like something out of reefer madness.
If you like this you should probably check out LSD or Mushrooms, I'd also suggest but with caution (as it's the only addictive chemical I'm going to mention and as such is rather dangerous) Ketamine (Trippy. As. Fuck. But don't expect to be social). Also I'd recommend DMT to EVERYONE at least once, it's a big part of the human experience as it's a chemical released at birth and at death.
Have fun young psychonaut, and remember to really get to know a dealer before playing with their stuff. I'd recommend hippies, as they generally want everyone to have fun more than they want to make money... However there are hippie gangsters... What a weird culture that is.
As much as I like disassociatives I likely won't try ketamine. I would love to experience it, but I personally have too addictive of a personality for something which such a high psychological addiction rate and such bad effects from long-term use. If ever I grow some willpower I'll likely try it once.
The other things you listed are pretty common among my friends. I most likely will wind up using them someday accordingly.
And it is always a good plan to know the dealer. I've never gotten anything from a hippie and very infrequently from gangbanger types. Usually it's lower to upper middle class college students who are in it on the side for extra spending money or often (toward to upper end) I suspect just because it makes them feel cool. Generally safe sorts of people whatever their motivation.
I would definitely advise against ketamine. In low doses it's a bit like getting drunk, and in higher doses I just k-holed, which was the most horrible experience I've ever had with a substance.
I do prefer doing other things, but I don't really want to discuss much more in an open thread, I don't really fancy feeling the brunt of mod-wrath for discussing my personal favoured experiences.
Some drugs are good, some aren't. I have taken drugs before and, on occasion, I mix my drugs. I put sugar in my coffee.
I live life on a razor's edge, man.
In all seriousness, you just have to have the intelligence to know what you're dealing with and the willpower to be able to give up drugs that hurt you. Vids for explanation:
No. I have not. I don't find myself wanting to though as I consider games to be a good enough departure from realty while not having alter my brain chemistry (much).
Yeah. You really don't need to be doing this, dude. I don't want to read about your corpse in the papers. I don't care how cool it is, or how good (or, apparently, bad) it makes you feel. Just don't do this.
Just to be clear I don't treat alcohol or alcoholics any differently. Neither do I treat nicotine addicts any differently. I also used to drink quite heavily for stupid reasons but eventually stopped completely (it was a process not an overnight thing). Oddly enough I'm for the legalization of drugs. All of my hatred and disgust is a product of personal experiences and things I've seen. and I and I admit my kneejerk reaction to label all drug users as weak isn't good and most of that thought is more on people that depend on them or are addicted. Still don't see the point (never will and I've heard all of the arguments) and would like for people to not do them. But screw it, as long as I don't do them and nobody forces me to do them (very unlikely) then let people do as they will.
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