Poll: Do you agree with the Black Ops Swastika Ban?

[lightningmagurn]

I think the swastika just came up because it is most prevelent, easy to make, and easily recognizable. If you ban the swastika, there will be no majority that disagrees on the grounds of liking National Socialism, however, if you banned the hammer and sickle, many people would get angry because they agrees with soviet policy. Many USSR leaders and government officials simply went to work in the Russian Government and stayed there. There would be outrage.

 

[ezeroast]

People wear the shirts all the time. If your that easily offended don't go outside. Umm just also don't play black ops.. Or go on the internet.. or watch movies...

 

[brunt32]

No no no.

I'm allowed to make and use the hammer and sickle (Soviet union for those who do not know) who were arguably a lot worse than Nazi. "But Brunt the Soviet union is a big part of the game", Oh really, well I think you find that Nazi might not be a massive part of the game however there is a mission where you have to fight and kill them. Also there is a game mode that a massive percentage will play again and again called NAZI Zombie.

So Microsoft if you feel you need to ban someone for using the Swastika you should ban any other type of flag that has had a negative history. E.g. The British (First to use concentration camps, And have spent last 500 or so years enslaving people and invading countries) The USA (The Yanks have shown them self to be not evilness group of people, however they have had some issues... Vietnam anyone?) And also on that note any emblem that connects them self to Religion as people connected to religion (Not religion itself I'm not being offensive) have done some of the worst crimes in the world from torture, paedophiles to terrorism.

So Microsoft do not ban a Flag due to it being connect to a evil past unless you do them all. Which will leave you to not many flags.

 

[Benny Blanco]

If you ban the swastika, then you also have to ban the hammer and sickle, no if's, ands or buts. Double standards much?

Why? Then you're offending the Chinese players (or any other plays who live in countries with the hammer and sickle on their flags)

I mean, I'm mostly polish/pollock, have a bit of jew in me, and know a ton of jewish people, so I have a somewhat inbedded hate for swastikas already.

You do know a pollock is a type of saltwater fish, right?

If you are part Polish a Soviet emblem might be offensive too given the treatment of Poland under Soviet occupation.

2 types of people support it:
-Nazis
-punks whom think they're edgy (LOL its actually hindu peace!) and/or feel entitled to much more than they are (LOL free speech)

Neither is much better than the other.

you want peace symbol? PUT A FUCKING PEACE SYMBOL ON YOUR GUN
you also hindu INCORPORATE BUDDA OR SOME OTHER HINDU SYMBOL WITH THE COMMONLY ACCEPTED PEACE SYMBOL.

Buddha is not really a "Hindu" symbol any more than Jesus is a "Jewish" symbol. Siddartha Gautama was a Nepalese Hindu, in the same way that Jesus was a Jew living in Palestine. Their religions of birth don't really hold them up as poster boys, mostly because of the whole "inspiring a bigger and more inclusive world religion" thing.

The dumbest thing about the whole argument is the inherent lack of self-awareness involved in violating the freedom of speech a group of people who get off on violating the rights of others.

Most White Power Race-Warrior types have serious persecution complexes about how their "Pure Aryan* Culture" is being diluted, marginalised or censored. Doing something like this just feeds into their delusions of importance.

*Aryan= A central Asian Tribe believed to have settled in modern day Iran.

 

[Clarity112]

i cant believe people are supporting the ban, the people who use swastikas arnt doing anything wrong. wtf happened to free speech and all that?
i thought the escapist of all places would see how fucked this whole thing is.

 

[Tharwen]

I don't see the point of banning a swastika in any situation. It was a political logo and isn't offensive on its own. If someone's waving it around while distributing Nazi propaganda and glaring hatefully at black people then that person does deserve justice, but the symbol on its own is nothing to fear.

 

[Gothtasical]

I don't agree with the ban of swastikas, you can see them in the history channels 24/7 (at least in Germany) and that's better? You tell me little children can watch documentaries about WWII and see those swastikas, but when swastikas are put into a game (for over 18 year olds) they turn them in Nazis or something?

Yea right...

mfG diebane

thats not why there banning them yes in history they are taught about nazi's but they are also taught that you shouldn't discriminate or alienate a single culture or diversaty
most of the people who where using them in the game where doing it because they where trying to be assholes even if it didn't mean they where real nazi's

 

[Gothtasical]

People wear the shirts all the time. If your that easily offended don't go outside. Umm just also don't play black ops.. Or go on the internet.. or watch movies...

where on earth do you see that? because i have never seen a shirt like that ever.

 

[Go Fighting In The War Room]

It should have been expected. As soon as I saw you could create your own emblem, I just thought, "People are gonna make Dicks and Swastikas."

And they did. Horse dicks, Dicks and Swastikas.

But there is a legal case to make for Jainism Swastikas. They do have a different design and would represent what the religious texts claim it to be. But however any 13 year old who gets banned and screams "IT'S RELIGIOUS" is lying.

There's a large difference from Black on White on Red to a whole cavalcade of colours starring Orange kiddo.

 

[feather240]

They can do whatever they want, it's their system.

People are clearly just using it to piss off others.

That is not what Freedom of speech had in mind. I am also of the mind that the other vulgar things should be banned. At least suspended/warning.

However this is what happens when you give people power. They invariably use it to be giant assholes.

I'm going to make this difficult for you, because I'm going to enjoy it, so without further ado...

What is 'vulgar'?

A man in a hockey mask finger banging an attack dog :'D FTD clan WOOF!!!!

Curse you and your way of escaping debate...

 

[diebane]

I don't agree with the ban of swastikas, you can see them in the history channels 24/7 (at least in Germany) and that's better? You tell me little children can watch documentaries about WWII and see those swastikas, but when swastikas are put into a game (for over 18 year olds) they turn them in Nazis or something?

Yea right...

mfG diebane

thats not why there banning them yes in history they are taught about nazi's but they are also taught that you should discriminate or alienate a single culture or diversaty
most of the people who where using them in the game where doing it because they where trying to be assholes even if it didn't mean they where real nazi's

My bad, I didnt read through this topic, I thought it was about the banned swastikas in some versions of the game (like the german one).

So the game itself allows you to get yourself a swastika emblem? I think you should ban 'em, just like people drawing other stupid stuff like a penis or so. Its obvious that those people are either 1. nazis or 2. trolls. And because both are annoying:

BAN!

mfG diebane

 

[Wow they sure are generous with the usernames]

SNIP

It's actually very simple to draw a line. Here I go:

Is the symbol sexually explicit y/n
Does the symbol conjure images of genocide and mass murder for the vast majority of our playerbase y/n

So racial stereotypes are fine now?

Jesus Christ if you think assuming that people associating the swastika with the nazi genocide is a racial stereotype either you A. need to go outside and interact with functioning human beings or B. are a pretty good troll.

 

[Devil's Due]

(primarily, any fucking idiot who says it has a different meaning is wrong. I don't care what it meant before the Nationalist Socialists, it's a Nazi symbol.)

Lovely. Nothing like insults to decorate a debate over use of a symbol.

Ironic that you'll call him out for your little double standard attack by calling anyone who disagrees with you is a "fucking idiot", and then try to claim the moral high-ground in the situation. Good job!

As for the thread, the Nazi symbol is a historical fact that shouldn't be hidden away. Should we ban the holy symbol because of the millions killed by the Crusades all over Europe with the holy symbol used as a flag, just painted differently per country with the same design. I think that's just as horrible what they've done, yet is a perfectly accepted symbol because no one truly understood nor cared about the suffering back then. Honestly, if no one cared much about the suffering from the Nazi's, would anyone care much about the flag? Same with Stalin and his Hammer and Sickle.

 

[Samwise137]

If it can be in a production of "The Diary of Anne Frank" and nobody complains, then why should it be a problem in a video game. (Perhaps I'm oversimplifying it, speaking as one a bit less informed than I would like on this issue, but that's how I feel).

 

[dragonburner]

Like people on X-Box freakin live don't mean it in the nazi sense. Ok. sure.

 

[MoNKeyYy]

I personally am 100% for the ban.

Why so? It may be a terrible symbol, but it is freedom of speech. Also what if they ban the wrong kind? I have to say that I am against it.

I'll answer for him.

It's racist and offensive. It symbolizes the death and torture of 2/3s an entire race of innocent people. Doing so gets rid of the Xbox live trolls. Freedom of Speech is abused. People are idiots. No one, I repeat No one is using the Buddhist Swastika unless they are trying to be cheeky.

Go ahead and say I need to grow tough skin. I'm so sick of people hiding behind the bullshit first amendment for nothing more than to troll people. Try thinking outside the box for once.

What is more right? Letting people be assholes, or protecting the right that allows people to be assholes?

Not to mention the fact that you sign an agreement with Xbox live and Treyarch when you go onto Xbox live giving them the right to do so.

Thank you sir, basically this.

Free speech is great. I am all for universal free speech. But something like this is going a bit far. The law may protect your right to say and hold whatever beliefs and say whatever you want but it never protects your right to be a deuche. And as was already said for me, maybe three poeple actually see it as an ancient buddhist symbol. Every other person does it to a cock and hides behind a wall of lame excuses, hypocritically defending themselves with something they don't even believe. That's why I'm against it.

 

[humor_involuntario]

If you ban the swastika, then you also have to ban the hammer and sickle, no if's, ands or buts. Double standards much?

No, not really. The Hammer and Sickle was representative of a series of leaders and time periods in the 20th Century Soviet Union, many of which varied from Stalin. However the Swastika is associated (primarily, any fucking idiot who says it has a different meaning is wrong. I don't care what it meant before the Nationalist Socialists, it's a Nazi symbol.) directly with the one leader and regime - Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Sorry, I think I'm a bit muddled, you're saying that the Hammer and Sickle was not ONLY representative of Stalin?

But someone's an idiot for saying that the Swastika is a symbol that was never intended for Hitler's use, and so was not ONLY representative of Hitler?

Or am I getting it wrong here?
(Not trying to start a fight, just confused)

OT: Nope. Simple as that. I have nothing new to contribute.

Sorry, but acctualy, it is not a Stalin symbol.
IT IS A COMMUNIST SYMBOL!
and you know, communisim itself is not evil, but Stalin and most of the soviet leaders are (with the exeption of Lennin)
(as an extra note, Stalin HAD to use it, as it was their national symbol. It would be as if the next U.S president was an evil, racist dictator that killed millions. if he used the U.S flag as a symbol, would it be evil? (as a side note side note, I am not implying that you live or were born in the U.S, just using an example))

 

[2ndblackjedi]

While it's that true the swastika has more meaning than just the symbol of Nazis, this is Xbox Live we're talking about. I might be pessimistic here, but I highly doubt anyone was using it for any reason beyond being purposely offensive or a troll.