Well alrighty then.Zykon TheLich said:No, you weren't being unclear, as I said, I wasn't challenging your point, just being a smart arsed nitpicker.Jonluw said:I might have been unclear. SNIP
Well alrighty then.Zykon TheLich said:No, you weren't being unclear, as I said, I wasn't challenging your point, just being a smart arsed nitpicker.Jonluw said:I might have been unclear. SNIP
What the fuck dude? That doesn't even make sense. In that case it's not the drug that's doing the damage to the person, weed is almost entirely harmless. It's the government and the (misguided) laws surrounding it. You have no clue.Kopikatsu said:I agree with Thaluikhain. I don't think any reasonable person could consider drug use a 'choice'. Addiction removes choice by definition. Sometimes people need to be protected from themselves.
Consider just how many people are in prison for years because of marijuana convictions. Is a few minutes of getting high worth decades of incarceration? Is smoking that blunt really worth more than your freedom?
These people are too irresponsible to be left to their own devices.
There's no way to compare smoking weed and crystal meth. That's like saying it's okay to eat some candy a couple of times a week, so it must be fine to pour a barrel of maple syrup down your throat a couple of times a week too.Solsbury_Grille said:Any society that winks a little harmless pot smoking pretty much deserves whatever it gets from any other drug use. If you're okay with one, you might as well be okay with them all.
Personally, I say legalize it all in whatever quantity you like. If you truly want to defang the Cartels, you're going to have to make it all legal. You will throw away a couple of generations of kids, but they'll eventually figure out this garbage is as bad as Mom & Dad said it was.
And for the love of all that is holy, would you stoners PLEASE stop with the, "oh-but-it-will-make-US-so-much-tax-revenue" crap? Colorado projected $33.5M in taxes until Captain Herbal Life figured out he could grow it at home. They took in about $10M, a third of what they thought would come in.
Don't piss on our leg and tell us it's raining.
Sure you can. Drugs make you the stupidest person on Earth. Stoners are the easiest people in the world to screw with. Doesn't matter if it's weed or meth, you're still convinced the buttons on my shirt are Chiclets. I went to college. I remember the potheads. They were morons when they were stoned. For every guy figuring out a benzene ring from his drug-addled hallucinations, I can point to ten thousand ignorant Spam-sucking white trailer trash who think a pit bull is a status symbol.Digi7 said:There's no way to compare smoking weed and crystal meth. That's like saying it's okay to eat some candy a couple of times a week, so it must be fine to pour a barrel of maple syrup down your throat a couple of times a week too.Solsbury_Grille said:Any society that winks a little harmless pot smoking pretty much deserves whatever it gets from any other drug use. If you're okay with one, you might as well be okay with them all.
Personally, I say legalize it all in whatever quantity you like. If you truly want to defang the Cartels, you're going to have to make it all legal. You will throw away a couple of generations of kids, but they'll eventually figure out this garbage is as bad as Mom & Dad said it was.
And for the love of all that is holy, would you stoners PLEASE stop with the, "oh-but-it-will-make-US-so-much-tax-revenue" crap? Colorado projected $33.5M in taxes until Captain Herbal Life figured out he could grow it at home. They took in about $10M, a third of what they thought would come in.
Don't piss on our leg and tell us it's raining.
As for the tax stuff, I don't think it should even be an issue that people address. It seems to me like a fruitless, desperate attempt to get a deaf government to listen by luring them with the sounds of rustling dollar notes.
Yep, so comparing a bunch of silly young college students just discovering and overusing weed or poor, uneducated white-trash to mature, sensible, private, moderate and knowledgable users is totally viable. Holy shit, people have some different values to you. Some people like to enjoy different things to what you personally think is intelligent to enjoy. They must be really fucking stupid. That's like comparing a bunch of frat boys chugging beer and puking themselves into a gutter to a bloke who has a few glasses of wine after dinner.Solsbury_Grille said:Sure you can. Drugs make you the stupidest person on Earth. Stoners are the easiest people in the world to screw with. Doesn't matter if it's weed or meth, you're still convinced the buttons on my shirt are Chiclets. I went to college. I remember the potheads. They were morons when they were stoned. For every guy figuring out a benzene ring from his drug-addled hallucinations, I can point to ten thousand ignorant Spam-sucking white trailer trash who think a pit bull is a status symbol.Digi7 said:There's no way to compare smoking weed and crystal meth. That's like saying it's okay to eat some candy a couple of times a week, so it must be fine to pour a barrel of maple syrup down your throat a couple of times a week too.Solsbury_Grille said:Any society that winks a little harmless pot smoking pretty much deserves whatever it gets from any other drug use. If you're okay with one, you might as well be okay with them all.
Personally, I say legalize it all in whatever quantity you like. If you truly want to defang the Cartels, you're going to have to make it all legal. You will throw away a couple of generations of kids, but they'll eventually figure out this garbage is as bad as Mom & Dad said it was.
And for the love of all that is holy, would you stoners PLEASE stop with the, "oh-but-it-will-make-US-so-much-tax-revenue" crap? Colorado projected $33.5M in taxes until Captain Herbal Life figured out he could grow it at home. They took in about $10M, a third of what they thought would come in.
Don't piss on our leg and tell us it's raining.
As for the tax stuff, I don't think it should even be an issue that people address. It seems to me like a fruitless, desperate attempt to get a deaf government to listen by luring them with the sounds of rustling dollar notes.
The only advantage I can see is driving.
Stoner's perception of speed: Warp Factor 5
Actual speed: 2mph
You can limp out of their way.
The witty, urbane stockbroker is just as big of a dumbass when he's stoned as some ignorant white trash peckerwood. Drugs are a great equalizer that way.Digi7 said:Yep, so comparing a bunch of silly young college students just discovering and overusing weed or poor, uneducated white-trash to mature, sensible, private, moderate and knowledgable users is totally viable. Holy shit, people have some different values to you. Some people like to enjoy different things to what you personally think is intelligent to enjoy. They must be really fucking stupid. That's like comparing a bunch of frat boys chugging beer and puking themselves into a gutter to a bloke who has a few glasses of wine after dinner.
As a disclaimer, I've smoked weed about 15 or so times in my life. I don't really enjoy it. I don't like being in an altered state of consciousness at the moment, but I will fucking defend their utterly harmless method of enjoying themselves to the grave. That's not even mentioning all the benefits that marijuana can bring to the mind and body if used correctly.
I don't know why I'm bothering, you clearly have your mind made up based on some college experience with a bunch of dickheads or people who can't control themselves.
I'm in agreement with you there. Doesn't mean that it's stupid to enjoy that kind of thing with moderation though.Solsbury_Grille said:The witty, urbane stockbroker is just as big of a dumbass when he's stoned as some ignorant white trash peckerwood. Drugs are a great equalizer that way.Digi7 said:Yep, so comparing a bunch of silly young college students just discovering and overusing weed or poor, uneducated white-trash to mature, sensible, private, moderate and knowledgable users is totally viable. Holy shit, people have some different values to you. Some people like to enjoy different things to what you personally think is intelligent to enjoy. They must be really fucking stupid. That's like comparing a bunch of frat boys chugging beer and puking themselves into a gutter to a bloke who has a few glasses of wine after dinner.
As a disclaimer, I've smoked weed about 15 or so times in my life. I don't really enjoy it. I don't like being in an altered state of consciousness at the moment, but I will fucking defend their utterly harmless method of enjoying themselves to the grave. That's not even mentioning all the benefits that marijuana can bring to the mind and body if used correctly.
I don't know why I'm bothering, you clearly have your mind made up based on some college experience with a bunch of dickheads or people who can't control themselves.
Look, I've already said I support legalization of all classes of drugs. We've been circumventing Darwinism for far too long.
So you also support the criminalisation of alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine, as well as any even mildly dangerous sport such as skiing or mountain climbing, and a ban on designing any motor vehicle capable of exceeding the highest speed limit in a country? Afterall, alcohol and caffeine are both capable of creating physical dependency, people can become addicted to their own adrenaline secretions as a result of thrill-based sports, and the same is true of driving at speed. You don't get to only apply your logic to things that are presently and often arbitrarily illegal - the list of things and activities which can cause addiction includes essentially anything capable of triggering the brain's reward system, which is almost everything.Kopikatsu said:I agree with Thaluikhain. I don't think any reasonable person could consider drug use a 'choice'. Addiction removes choice by definition. Sometimes people need to be protected from themselves.
Consider just how many people are in prison for years because of marijuana convictions. Is a few minutes of getting high worth decades of incarceration? Is smoking that blunt really worth more than your freedom?
These people are too irresponsible to be left to their own devices.
I was looking specifically for people's thoughts regarding use.The Almighty Aardvark said:The poll needed an option for legalized possession and criminalized dealing.
I find that highly unlikely. A more plausible is that young kids will be asking older teenagers with fake IDs to buy them pot.The Almighty Aardvark said:The biggest problem I can see with this is that wherever you have you have regulation is a place where those who sold it illegally can sneak in. Make it so that kids can't buy hard drugs and suddenly they are going to be the biggest consumer base of drug dealers.
I can appreciate your views as they're more grounded in reality but I don't agree. I believe adults should be allowed to make their own decisions as to the drugs they use and a number of safeguards be in place to prevent abuse and adulteration. Also the control of drugs will still be in the hands of criminals so while people aren't been unfairly incarcerated the criminal enterprises are still doing awful things in third world countries.spartan231490 said:-snip-
I think he meant that nobody will take bath salts when MDMA is legal. It would be like buying pigeon meat from a creepy man's van when there's a perfectly good delicatessen selling chicken across the street.Zykon TheLich said:I have an answer for that, and it's fucktons. Mephedrone was legal until a couple of years ago in the UK and it was pretty much a free for all on par with the early 90's love for MDMA. Not that these people wouldn't have been doing something else anyway, but if there's something legal that'll get you high almost like something else that's illegal, people will take it. Now it's illegal again people are back to MDMA.
Then we're back to square one where people are ending up in jail and the cartels have a steady flow of money. How can anyone not see this?The Towel Boy said:But, as for any other drug such as cocaine, meth, or any drug of those natures, should still be illegal.
I'm sorry but I don't trust your judgement here. A highly controlled, safe depot for unadulterated drugs would make it much safer than it is now. Most tweekers on crystal meth are running around stabbing people because they're living a criminal lifestyle. Nobody will take crystal meth when pharmaceutically produced amphetamines are available.The Towel Boy said:Trust me, it would be a bad idea to have pcp/heroine/or cocaine users commonly walking down the street... it's a disaster that would erupt very quickly...
Your lesson fails to address the fact that users are at greater risk and cartels control the market under prohibition.Mr_Spanky said:Medical yes.
Legal no.
There ends the lesson bitches
This just totally fills my head with fuck. So many myths have accumulated in people's collective unconscious about LSD, how it makes you crazy, makes you think you can fly etc that the idea of its therapeutic use is bonkers to most people.Jonluw said:All this because they've mentally placed LSD and heroin in the same category, which is just so ridiculous I can't fathom it.
I've seen people who drank too much pulling weapons on each other. I've seen people high on MDMA hugging too muchJonluw said:If people would only skip one of their weekly alcohol binges in favor of doing some MDMA, letting loose and realizing they love eachother with a clear head instead of the sedated alcoholic state, I genuinely think the world would be quite a better place.