Poll: Do you fear death?

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LilithSlave

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silvermorning624 said:
This means that when my brain ceases to function, so will I.
There is one escape method popular among animists and pantheists, and that's the idea that the electrons firings of the brain that create the consciousness, are able to essentially "escape", or rather culminate into the different waves and frequencies common on our planet. Thus creating a "ghost" of sorts that exists within the waves.

Of course, this is just wishful thinking. There is no proof of even the memories of human beings that weren't directly recorded while they were alive, existing within the frequencies. Or even whether waves are beefy enough to even be able to contain something as big as a consciousness. Therefor it is illogical to believe that ghosts exist within the waves in our planet. It is, at least, a hypothesis that doesn't seem to have a lot of contradictory findings. And is generally not contradictory to most established scientific theories. Or at least ones that I am educated on. Which I get the feeling it is and I've just never heard it. I'd certainly like to hear how this hypothesis is already debunked or could be tested if it is not already.

It's surprising how many fellow atheists have never heard of such a common religious hypothesis as this, though. Sure, it's not as common as Christian "God is bigger" thinking. But it is an incredibly common hypothesis among the Pagan community. And such logic as this and Gaia hypothesis and other spiritually inspired kinds of hypothesis, are a leading cause of religious conversion to Animism and Naturalist Pantheism instead of Atheism.

Sneaking religious ideas into their belief, based upon nothing other than a apparent lack of evidence against it. Which isn't logical. Being merely an unfounded hypothesis of wishful thinking(Paganism), that slips in the cracks of what science has absolutely disproven. Which is a call for scientists to provide new evidence to disprove religious ideas that have slipped through the cracks, or provide already existing ideas that disprove varying Pagan types of hypothesis.
 

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Yes, I fear death. But I also have faith and confidence in life after death. It's a door one can only go through once, though, and it's natural to fear dying before you can do everything in this life that you want to do.
 

Rnr1224

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i dont necessarily fear it. its a natural part of life but i do not want to go out in some boring fashion.
 

LilithSlave

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Rnr1224 said:
its a natural part of life
So is suffering.

And what does it matter if one goes out in a boring on an interesting fashion? You won't be around to enjoy the fireworks of your passing.
 

LilithSlave

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I wouldn't call it unknown, it's a pretty high likelihood that death means losing everything.

And by high likelihood, I mean like dropping a ball and expecting it to hit the floor/ground beneath you.
 

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LilithSlave said:
Wait, what's the logic there? If there's no point in finding greater meaning because it's not logical
That's not what I'm saying. If someone believes in a deity(s) or afterlife because that is the most logical conclusion they draw and that conclusion subsequently comforts them, then fair enough. But if they are willfully ignoring their own sense of logic solely on the basis that they find it 'comforting' or it makes them 'happy' then that is retarded and moreover it's god damn soft. No, following a delusion is never a fucking good idea, if people's only reason for rejecting nihilism is because the thought upsets them, then that is fucking pathetic. I'm just saying that peolpe should follow whatever seems most logical to them and not abandon or ignore their sense of skepticism just because it makes them happy. 'If ignorence is bliss, then knock the smile off my face.'
 

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DRes82 said:
I've never liked nihilism. Its just too bleak. I consider myself an agnostic. There is no way to know what happens after death, and that is comforting enough for me. I refuse to believe, though, that my life and existence are completely pointless. Even if my purpose is just what I evolved for...to keep my genetic code alive, at least that's still a purpose.
And if that's what your frame of logic has lead you to believe then fair enough but I hope your not just dismissing nihilism because you find it bleak, but rather because you find it illogical. As I said earlier follow what seems most logical to you, not which makes you happiest. I'm not saying they can't be one in the same, I'm saying don't sacrifice the former to achieve the latter.
 

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Sometimes I go through phases of being terrified of death, as if I'm being chocked and trapped into it and there's no escape.
Most of the time I try not to think about it.

But I'd rather believe there's a possibility of an afterlife than not, even if there isn't, if it meant peace of mind.
Maybe that's shallow but so what?
 

OmniscientOstrich

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Kris015 said:
I don't fear MY death. I fear the death of my girlfriend though.

OmniscientOstrich said:
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Haha, awesome avatar ;)
Ha! Yeah, kind of ironic that I fear death, yet have an album cover by the band 'Death' as my avatar. I guess it's the same kind of subconscious thing about watching black comedies, being able to laugh at death makes one more comfortable with the thought of their own inevitable demise. Or maybe I'm just overthinking it and people just love to see violence.
 

LilithSlave

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OmniscientOstrich said:
god damn soft.
And what's wrong with being soft? A subjective human sentiment?

Happiness is a soft, weak thing.

OmniscientOstrich said:
then that is fucking pathetic.
The fate of our lives are pathetic.

OmniscientOstrich said:
'If ignorence is bliss, then knock the smile off my face.'
Nothing logical about that. It's illogical if the truth is that life is short and the subjective goal in mind is to derive the maximum pleasure out of it.

Logic is a tool, and it constantly goes against our own subjective happiness.

If people should be happy, then people should use logic in a logical fashion, and only use the tool when it suits their own personal happiness.

I do support people using logic many times over what makes them happy. But that's mostly an ethical perspective, that their displeasure benefits society.
 

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LilithSlave said:
If people should be happy, then people should use logic in a logical fashion, and only use the tool when it suits their own personal happiness.

You can't just abandon your own logical framework whenever it's convenient for you, that's the same kind of cherry picking bullshit that Fundamentalist Christians operate by. You can't just shy away from logically approaching something just because you'd be happier if you're oblvious, that's not confronting the issue, that's just waltzing through life with a fucking blindfold on. It's only going to do more harm to the person if they're willing to lie to themsleves for the sake of their own happiness, rather than actually be willing to confront their feelings of doubt and confliction.
 

LilithSlave

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Where in your entire rebuttal have you provided a logical reason. Instead of just saying things like "that's bad because that's what bad Christians do" or "that's weak and hiding" or something like that.

People can do whatever makes them happy if being happy is what people should be. Being happy is what people should be, or it isn't. It's illogical to just back out of it like that, and just looks like a ill argued agenda against religion.

Since, logically, life is short and pointless, why should people do things that aren't convenient for them? Why should people confront an issue if it means wasting their short life on something unhappy? What's wrong with waltzing through life with a blindfold on? How is it going to do more harm to them if it makes them happy?


The good of society is the only reason. Personally, I believe in this reason. I support logic above happiness because I think that supporting the inverse of that is selfish and hurts society. But if I believed that people should just be happy, even if it's selfish and doesn't fit hedonism/utilitarianism, then I would support believing in delusions all the way.
 

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LilithSlave said:
I support logic above happiness because I think that supporting the inverse of that is selfish and hurts society.
If you believe that in the first place then why the fuck are you arguing with me? All I'm saying is that as a general principle you drop all of your convictions as you please for the sake of a more optimistic outlook, by that modus operandi you can vindicate to yourself whatever deranged, repugnant shit that you want because it makes you happy. I brought up Fundamentalists, because this mentality can lead to more pernicious repurcussions, as you said it hurts society. And by the way lambasting my argument is nice when your's essentially just amounts to 'why the fuck not if it makes you happy?', but whatever, I realise now you were just fucking with me, so I'm leaving this thread before it gives me a fucking aneurism. Good fucking day and fare fucking well, I can't be fucking fucked, with this fucking thread any fucking more, so good fucking bye.
 

LilithSlave

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Well, you didn't say anything about doing things for the good of society until now. That I'm aware.

It was just a logic check.
 

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Everyone fears death.Anyone that doesn't is either brainwashed,lying or delusional.
You can risk your life and still be scared of death,so don't pull the "brave soldier" argument on me.
In fact,how much are you willing to bet when one of those fearless types die in battle,they suddenly cry for their mothers and ask Something to keep them alive?

You cannot say that you are leaving your material form and going to a great unknown no man can observe,rationalize or understand,or not be afraid.We,as humans,are afraid of the unknown,so when one of life's greatest mysteries rears its head,no one is stoic.
 

Owen Robertson

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"Life's a ***** and then you die - Bumper sticker philosophy. Yeah right. Sometimes you get a second chance." Am I the only one who liked Babylon A.D.?

OT: No. Everyone's gotta die. Instead of wasting your time worrying about it, go do something to make your time worthwhile. Kill a man or save a life. Rob a bank or give to the poor. Find something worth dying for, and you'll never be afraid of anything again. I found mine.

Exocet said:
Everyone fears death.Anyone that doesn't is either brainwashed,lying or delusional.
You forgot crazy, and I'm nuckin futs!
 

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I'm afraid of an afterlife really. Part of me thinks, maybe I would prefer there ISN'T one so I can just be a bad person.
But if there IS, I'd regret it after I die.

Being nice hasn't been very rewarding. At best, you break even.
 

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LilithSlave said:
Rnr1224 said:
its a natural part of life
So is suffering.

And what does it matter if one goes out in a boring on an interesting fashion? You won't be around to enjoy the fireworks of your passing.
i dont need to see the fireworks but i would want it to be how i wanted. i fear premature death in a way. i just want to be of my choosing not some other way. perhaps boring wasnt the right word.