Poll: Do you like the British Royal Family?

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wolfyrik said:
Edward the viii, is a good example. That guy wanted to help the poor and marry a woman he loved. Edward was outspoken on the rights of the masses and he was kicked out by the politicians for his trouble.
The result; the weak willed, pointless, useless shower that now inhabits the throne and enthralls inbred idiots across the nation. They're not something to be proud, they are something to be ashamed of and embarrassed by.
Edward VIII was a royal to be proud of.
Just wondering, did you know about Edward VIII's connection to the Nazi party? He wasn't really anyone to look up to.
Single Shot said:
Firstly. Britain had already had a civil war by the time of King George III and the land in question was given to him as part of the deal that ended the war and installed what would slowly become our democratic system. So that video is false, the land is legitimately and legally owned by the Royal family.
Slight point of pedantry here, but the Civil Wars (technically there were 2) ended with the execution of Charles I and the abolition of the monarchy. While I don't know for certain, Charles II would have acquired the old royal lands during the resoration after Cromwell's death, when it was deceided to ignore the preceding 19 years. There was no deal to give him back land, just to be King again like his father and grandfather.

OT: Don't care about them, just wish the media would shut up about them.
 

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Not really but I don't loathe them.
While I can understand some people obsession toward celebrity due to their talents like acting, drawing, painting or just being good at writing, what talent do the royal family have? Having a rich heritage doesn't count as that "heritage" no longer bear any weight in this modern society. At best they are just an attraction for the tourist.
Granted at least most of the royal families don't do nothing like one of them is in the army so they not just a waste of space well money grabbing attnetion.
 

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As others have said, I don't have anything in particular against them. But the institution of monarchy in general, especially in this day and age, as indeed quite silly. Having a great leader for an ancestor doesn't confer leadership ability to you, at all, and yet this backwards assumption is what the very institution of a royal family is based around.
 

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MorphingDragon said:
The Royal Family still owns the land is pretty much the gist.

I hate that video.

Yes, the queen technically "owns" the crown estate.

You know what else the queen technically owns? Here's a clue.



If the queen owns the crown estate, then she also owns the UK's national debt. All £1,300 billion of it, costing £43 billion a year in interest.

Frankly, if she wants to keep her own shit on the day we all finally see sense and get rid of the monarchy, that's fine by me.

In a monarchy, at least in a traditional European monarchy like ours, all public institutions are technically the property of the monarch. Since we are a constitutional monarchy, this does not mean that the monarchy actually has any legal claim to ownership. It's simply the confusing result of the historical fact that we have no state. As Louis XIV once put it, the monarch is the state.

The first task of any new republic would be to legally change that by creating a state distinct from the monarch. The monarch in that situation would have very little claim to the crown estate.
 

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English and honestly couldn't care less about them. I'm pretty sure we just keep them around for the novelty of it and that's just very english of us. But then again at the end of the day I'm not patriotic at all so I don't see what reason I have to like or dislike them, they're just a novelty.
 

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Im english and i love the monarchy!
I think they make us different from loads of other countries and they do loads for the country, and we make money off them, plus MORE HOLIDAYS!
 

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Binnsyboy said:
Well, we're objectively better off with them, and people would see that if they were properly informed. So yes, I suppose I like them.

I think that baby and its newly made parents deserve some fucking peace, though.
Ah, finally a little sense. I was beginning to get slightly ragey for a second.

I have nothing against them, and I appreciate that they bring in a degree of tourism, and also give the British public something to be cheerful about on occasion. This is good, happy people are spending people, and if they're buying bunting, and souvenirs of whatever occasion it is much better than them being grumpy. Of course some people are going to hate, but then they only see the negatives that get very much highlighted on a fairly regular basis.
 

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like them ? sure.

the thing about the British monarchy is its insidious.

let me explain;

you will see a little baby in your media at some point soon and most of you international folks probably won't see much of said chap until he gets married or someone dies...

but in Britain we will see him grow up from a baby into a child, into teenager, into a young adult, into a man.

we will (almost) see his first steps to his last.

whether we are "interested" or not.

and that does a curious thing; you think you know them.

they become as familiar as maybe one of of your childrens friends.

they are always "around", you hear who they are going out with, you hear when they get in trouble, you hear their exam results, you see them grow up, you get tossed an invite (of sorts) to their wedding and you hear when they have babys...

and when you know (or think you know) a person personally you care about them.

and the modern monarchy plays a looooong game in that respect.

but most of the world doesn't see it bar big events.

this is why you can barely find an adult republican in the UK who doesn't caveat their republican stance with a fleeting acknowledgement of partial affection or appreciation for the royal family.
You're right. It is insidious. The thought of being born into fame without any say in the matter makes my stomach turn, especially with all the awfulness that comes with being famous nowadays. Maybe it won't be so bad when the world finally outlaws celebrity gossip and all the world's paparazzi and tabloid producers are put to death.
 

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Not british and really don't care about them. I'm sure they're swell people but they're just figureheads. They have no power but have a lot of money. Good for them? Leave the monarchy just as long as they never have power again.
 

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Galletea said:
Binnsyboy said:
Well, we're objectively better off with them, and people would see that if they were properly informed. So yes, I suppose I like them.

I think that baby and its newly made parents deserve some fucking peace, though.
Ah, finally a little sense. I was beginning to get slightly ragey for a second.

I have nothing against them, and I appreciate that they bring in a degree of tourism, and also give the British public something to be cheerful about on occasion. This is good, happy people are spending people, and if they're buying bunting, and souvenirs of whatever occasion it is much better than them being grumpy. Of course some people are going to hate, but then they only see the negatives that get very much highlighted on a fairly regular basis.
Yeah, the tourism. And on top of that, having a Prince, or what have you to send as an ambassador to things > Prime Minister, or other politician in terms of prestige.

On top of that, having a good minded, politically neutral figure mediating legislation (though the Royal Family hasn't exercised its veto in living memory) is much better than making it an election position for people to jockey for votes over.

MOST importantly, the argument that they leech off the country is totally false.

They do take a small amount off in taxation, but it's a ridiculously low amount per person per year. What you pay the Royals in a year is roughly what you'd spend on a trip to the shop to buy yourself a tasty treat or something. And the reason the Royals receive a tax payment is because they give us the Crown Estate, which they have the legal right to take the rent for back at any point. Them having the Crown Estate means the government (by Royal choice) gets all its rent, not private landowners. And it should be noted that the net rent from the Crown Estate is several times that which the Royals are given in tax money per year. So by this last point alone, we're hugely profiting directly from the Royal family.

Bam. God save the mother fucking Queen.
 

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Hmmm i don't have anything in particular against them what i do have a problem with is the way the media in general and the BBC specifically lose their shit over them. If you have a channel called the news channel i want to watch news not royal baby related shit on a loop.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Nope. Not British and have no idea what their deal is. Also apparently they get tax money. Why? Are they that vital to the country?
They attract alot of tourist cash. There probably a net-gain for the country. And given our finances aren't great (but still better than the Greek and Italian's) it'd be bad to get rid of any net positive.
 

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I'm Dutch and I think it's kind of cool we have a king, I'm indifferent to the British Royal family, I just hate how big of a deal the media makes out of it.
 

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Honestly I love having a royal family, its part of our national identity and one of our little quirks. Also I love when I hear about how evil and horrible it is we have a royal family from people on the dole who never plan to get a job.

I don't want my country to be bland and boring, I like our strange weird ways and the royal family is part of that.
 

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Not British and I don't see any reason to care for them one way or the other. Despite the clarification in the OP I still want a poll option for those of us who really don't give a fuck because those of us who don't care are lumped together with those who do care. Quite a big distinction actually.
 

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I like the Royal Family. Yes, it makes no logical sense - but that's the point. We're logical as far as we need to be (having an elected head of government who actually runs the country), but that addition of whimsy. It's like republican mathematics compared to royalist music; the former is logical, beautiful perhaps, but dull, earnest, and leads to the head of your country being hated by half the population. The former, however, is a hell of a lot more fun. The cost argument is irrelevant - the President of the US costs 20 times as much as the Royal Family, and the French President about three times us much (I wouldn't be surprised if the British Prime Minister costs more than the Royal Family). The "democracy" argument falls flat due to the fact that the majority of British people, according to every opinion poll I have seen, favour the Royal Family - which rather makes abolishing them strike me as being anti-democratic.

The Royal's add a hint of dignity to the otherwise undignified world of politics, and a sense of wonder. Using my Royalist Music versus Republican Maths, well I'd rather listen to some music than a man spouting quadratic equations.
 

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DisturbiaWolf13 said:
J Tyran said:
look at the massive revival of the pottery industry
Oh now I know you're joking.

No increase in tourism is worth elevating these people above everyone else.

"Hey, you there. You and you're family can live in palaces so that people will come from all over to look at you in the palaces!"
That isn't the only reason though, they are also still around for tradition. Around 1000 years of of it, I think its worth maintaining culture and heritage considering the amount of money they bring into to the country as well. They have no power so do not impact on the government much, apart from ceremonial duties of course.

The Monarchy is a big part of our history, no Monarchy and we will lose a huge part of our living heritage. All the official ceremonies would stop, things like the changing of the guard and opening Parliament would be all be considered history instead of several hundred years of living heritage.

As this sudden out pouring of global scrutiny and good will show people around the world still have a great respect for that millenniums worth of history and tradition, we would lose those global ambassadors.

As one person put it "Parliaments come and go and so do members of the cabinet but Monarchs are on the throne for decades and provide a kind of stability in global relations[footnote]paraphrased[/footnote]".
 

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More or less the same as most here. I'm basically indifferent to them, but they're a net gain in moneys, they give tourism a boost and give comedians yet another source of material, so I see no reason to abolish it.
 

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To quote How I Met Your Mother, "nothing good happens after 2am". Also, I shouldn't write on forums when I'm in a bad mood. So I'd like to apologise for my 3am sleep-deprived bile. Now, that aside, I'd like to add while I hate the presence and idea of a monarchy, I actually don't dislike (most of) the Royals as people - I judge them as individuals based on merit, like I do everyone else (some of you may notice a theme in my political views). Actually for Harry I have a certain amount of respect, as he serves active duty in the military - I actually have some sympathy for him, given that he chose to do this despite the huge target on his back due to lineage alone. A questionable career choice, therefore, but he had no more control over his own genealogy than did I or anyone else. Likewise, none of them can so much as take a dump without 16 tabloids reporting about it, so I figure that earns some sympathy too. The media should bloody well leave them alone, especially that poor baby.

As for a certain argument that the monarchy prevents the government from going power-mad, I have to say that, with respect, you've got it arse-backwards. Giving more power to a smaller number of people whose positions are decided by something as arbitrary as bloodline is in no way less likely to go wrong than disseminating power over (relatively) larger numbers, each of whom is elected in some way and thus has a much less stable position from which to "run amok". That's pretty much the point of democracy (other than throwing out the "divine right to rule" crap), even if it is far from perfect. You might also notice that a "power-crazed" dictatorship is a dictatorship, not a democracy. As in, a democratic leader is elected, whereas a dictator seizes or persuades their way into ultimate authority then sets arbitrary rules like, idunno, bloodline, regarding how succession is decided. You might say that a dictatorship is the rule of one single person, a mono-archy if you will. Maybe after a few centuries legitimises the whole thing we might find a contraction for that word, it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

Regarding the balance of profitability, I've seen arguments in both directions picking each other apart, and while I remain skeptical that they bring in more than they cost I'll now concede that I don't know enough to pass judgement. My point in posting that video was more along the lines of "don't believe everything you hear from a YouTube video".

So to clarify, my issue here is that no-one should get special privelages (eg tax breaks) based on heredity alone in a fair and just society to which I think we should aspire (and, indeed, that this nation already claims to be). Unlike some people, where I see injustice I see a problem that needs to be fixed, not an uncomfortable truth to be tolerated or ignored. To risk repeating myself, treat 'em like normal people, no more and no less, for better and for worse, and I'll mostly be happy. And I don't want to hear about them unless they do something remarkable. Probably not even then, to be honest. Successfully figuring out how to utilise their reproductive organs does not count as "something important", just to be clear.