Poll: Do you support evolution?

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Johnny Novgorod

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Absolutely 100% for evolution with no religious residues mixed in between.
Also like everybody else pointed it out: it's not about belief, it's about knowledge or understanding. I mean it's there whether you believe in it or not, unlike religion!
 

irok

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I'm agnostic, at least that's what I'm calling myself and I believe in evolution , the big bang and maybe god, just not the god depicted in any religion.
 

hornedcow

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I'm strongly resisting the urge to reply to every "God could have designed evolution" comment with a long Hitchensian rant, but I suspect this is neither the time nor place. Regardless, that organisms change over successive generations is a proven fact, all that's currently debated within the scientific community is the means by which that occurs. And no, intelligent design is not a science, at best it's just pseudoscience, but more often than not it's religious dogma masquerading as a legitimate reason-based worldview, another move towards marginalising anyone with the gall to think for themselves.
 

Bertylicious

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Yes, I believe in animals.

SkarKrow said:
T0ad 0f Truth said:
I'm a bit saddened that this is really a contest. The evidence is clearly in favour of evolution. I say this as a Christian.

So yes, Chalk me up as one for team science I guess.
You're a christian? Huh.

OT: I don't "believe" in evolution so much as I've read and viewed the evidence and it seems to make sense and be backed up by a lot of... well, evidence.

We can map out a lot of evolutionary paths for animals, we can find evolutionary dead ends too.

I'd really recommended people to watch some stuff like this:

And the follow up:

Oh and every time I see a lunatic argue that bananas are shaped for our hands by god or whatever I crack up.

Evolution is a thing, maybe some deity set the universe in motion, but nothing was created as it is now.
David Attenborough does subscribe to that theory about aquatic humans though and that isn't supported by any evidence. Indeed, the background to that theory is not dissimilar to the whole bannana hand thing.

Wait, was that the point? I'm on break so can't watch videos.
 

Alfador_VII

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Yes, but like many in this thread, I question the use of "believe" in the poll.

Belief implies that you just think it's true, without any empirical proof or anything, like with belief in God (any sort of God)

I'd prefer that I accept evolution as the most likely explanation for how we got here. There's plenty of good evidence for it, so I'd say it's extremely likely indeed.
 

TheOneGuyInNebraska

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Where's the option for "I'm team God and I still vote yes on evolution"?

Or do we just not exist apparently (Last time I checked I was pretty sure I existed)
 

knight steel

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I don't know maybe?
Wait I have an Idea lets ask the man himself!!
Hey Charles what your thoughts on the matter being discussed?
And there you have it folks :D
 

SmokingBomber465

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Hey, look, 11 people are wrong! Don't let anyone fool you, there is NO argument against evolution. You are just wrong.

Not believing in evolution is like not believing in gravity.
 

Jadak

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torno said:
Yep, that right there.
Maybe I'm not convicted in my faith enough or whatever but I never saw why science and religion can't coexist. The systems of science are obviously there, they clearly exist, I don't see why I can't say that God put them there.
No reason you can't. Problem is that too often, those whose object to science can't seem to avoid viewing it as a conflict, and the same goes for the more hostile ahtheists, are other religions. Once they get it in their heads that someone elses beliefs conflict with their own, the struggle to be proven correct takes precedence over relevance.

So, people start lumping things together in ways such as 'fuck science and evolution, as defending their 'side' becomes more important than trying to incorpate such concepts into their beliefs. And on top of that, some slippery slope logic fallacy comes into play where they feel that any concession will lead to more, and next thing you know everything they believe will be gone.
 

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Kaulen Fuhs said:
Like I believe in gravity.

Though I don't know we should use the word "believe". We tend to not use it when discussing things like the existence of trees or each other.
"Belief" does sound like we're playing their game. I don't really believe in it (or gravity) but rather accept the facts. Science doesn't really need faith: any worthwhile science is reproducible.

In any sense, I'm team science, because it works!
 

Snowalker

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That Poll is kinda flamewarish... I'm Deist, so I believe in a god, but I "Believe" in Evolution as well... But I mean, do you believe in gravity? Or thermodynamics? I mean, evolution is kinda a fact of nature. Just because you believe in a deity doesn't mean you think he purposely created us...
 

Candidus

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It's not about belief. I know of evolution. It's something that inarguably has happened and does happen.

I'm not sure what more there is to say.
 

Pescetarian

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Dagnabbit OP, Evolution isn't a "belief", it's a FACT. Religion is a personal truth, science is a regular truth.
 

Rath709

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Given that you can, with your own eyes, observe evolution happening in real time, right now, I would say that it's time to drop the "Theory" and just go with "Evolution" as fact. Because, you know, it is.

Read, now;

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/22/short-n-curlies-16-by-si-spurrier/

Evolution of the Tube Mosquito.
 

Mersadeon

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I study Bioinformatics and Genome Research. If I didn't think evolution was a fact, nothing I did all day would make sense.
 

Lightknight

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What the heck is "Go Team Dis Gon Be Gud!" and why is choosing this option necessarily somewhere in between. Let's say someone believes in a being that created the big bang. That being would necessarily be "God" or the Creator without necessarily precluding evolution. Both may be fully believed even in the context of most faiths.

A common Christian/Jewish example is that in the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. The Earth, according to the Hebrew/Christian text is already there before the 7 days of creation, it is just void (the term can mean desolate) like say, Mars. It even has the spirit of God hovering over the surface of the water (Gen 1:2) before the traditional 7 days began and this leaves a significant amount of room for billions of years and the Big Bang's occurence. The absolutely allows for not only the entirety of the planet forming over millions of years during the unspecified time between the creation of heavens/earth and the 7 days. One could even say this doesn't preclude a possibility that creatures were living on the earth prior to a cataclysmic event just before God arrived on the scene.

And that's all taking a literal interpretation of things when a basic understanding of Hebrew Poetry that is litered throughout the Hebrew Bible basically demands that metaphors or exaggerations be considered a legitmate possibility. From what I've seen of other texts, this is likewise a possibility. But this one example is how a Christian may easily believe in both fully.

In any event, while I believe that going to any particular religion over another does require an actual step of faith and not logic, I do believe that overall deism may be arrived at intellectually as a possible theory of the universe. Any being of technology advanced enough to create the universe would naturally be a God to us. However, any being that actually exists is not supernatural, but merely natural albeit alien to the universe itself and so perhaps not "natural" where our universe is concerned. Considering how readily humans are making minature virtual universes (video games) all the time that are only getting more and more complex, I'd think it only a matter of time before we start creating environments in which a.i. virtual organic life can begin to take shape. In such a scenario, the developer would rightfully be called god by that life. If we can do it, the question must be posed why there's not a creator above us who maybe didn't create us a virtual environment but something else we can't understand because to understand would require us to think outside our natural universe in a way we're not aware of. Or heck, maybe we are a virtual environment. Some people do believe that, actually. Not many ways to disprove it. You should hear how they tie it into the observer effect on the double slit experiment being caused by forcing our environmnet to allot more processing to the process by measuring it...

In any event, I'd like to see people stop being afraid of science overturning their religion. Any verifiable proof one way or the other would likely be centuries away from us presently even at our current rate of advancement. The question that has to be answered is not if the Big bang happened, it did or something very like it, but where the matter/energy of which the big bang was comprised of came from. It either appeared (magic/supernatural/something from literally nothing) or was created by something that could exist before and outside of our universe (God/god/gods/spaghetti monster). If it was a creator, then is that creator still active or are we forgotten?
 

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I believe evolution is the current best-fit model for how life develops, and I believe any further model refinement will be similar enough to keep the evolution moniker (as it has in the past leading to our current understanding). That's as close to true scientific fact we can get.
 

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I hate it when science is considered a 'belief'. I mean what. Debating with pro-religion people can result in really daft statements about belief.

What I really don't get is why we can't just roll with both. Why can't god be so awesome to have planned us all along through evolution or something? Should be no sweat for an omnipotent omniscient being. But nope, gotta be anal about those old books written that many years ago.