Poll: do you think children aren't able to make decisions for themselves?
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How old are you OP?
You don't know everything. Your parents don't know everything either, but they know more than you. For all I know you could be the next Einstein, or you could be some retarded little prick who just wants to play video games all day and eat the entire ice cream container.
The point is, you need to deal with your parents till you move out. The discipline you get from them will help you in life when you're free. I'm dealing with it right now, and believe me, it isn't fun. I know damn well I'm capable of moving out, getting a job, paying bills, having a girlfriend, and doing it properly. But if I could do that at this point, I wouldn't, because it sure is nice just having to deal with school instead of the rest of that crap while my parents pay bills.
Listen bud, mooch off your parents until you're ready to go into the world, and just deal with the stupid shit they keep you from doing.
You don't know everything. Your parents don't know everything either, but they know more than you. For all I know you could be the next Einstein, or you could be some retarded little prick who just wants to play video games all day and eat the entire ice cream container.
The point is, you need to deal with your parents till you move out. The discipline you get from them will help you in life when you're free. I'm dealing with it right now, and believe me, it isn't fun. I know damn well I'm capable of moving out, getting a job, paying bills, having a girlfriend, and doing it properly. But if I could do that at this point, I wouldn't, because it sure is nice just having to deal with school instead of the rest of that crap while my parents pay bills.
Listen bud, mooch off your parents until you're ready to go into the world, and just deal with the stupid shit they keep you from doing.
I fucking hate parents. Yes, they had to give birth to me, feed me, clothe me, etc. and I'm grateful for that. And I respect that, to a point. But, for example, just because they did that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to get mad at them. If I get pissed they say, "I don't like you using that tone of voice with me" and will ground me if I continue. Also, my Dad uses the excuse "because I'm your father" to explain why I should have to listen to him when there is no logical reason to do so. I hate that they don't ever listen to me, seem to think that I'm retarted and incapable of doing anything by myself because I'm not an adult, and that they won't let me disagree with them.
Another thing I despise is that I am literally their PROPERTY until I'm 18. I am not legally allowed to make many decisions. This is all excacerbated by the fact that we agree on nothing. I have no idea how they are my parents because we are polar opposites.
Another thing I despise is that I am literally their PROPERTY until I'm 18. I am not legally allowed to make many decisions. This is all excacerbated by the fact that we agree on nothing. I have no idea how they are my parents because we are polar opposites.
I totally agree but that doesn't mean that children shouldn't be able to make those decisions because many, many adults are just as incompetent. I will concede though, that children are worse than adults at decision making (in most cases, not all). However, maybe that is because they aren't allowed to make decisions. Have you ever heard the expression "practice makes perfect"? I rest my case.Jodah said:
Yeah I've had that problem in the past. My parents still seem to think that at the age of 15 I can't handle my own actions. It's really all situational though, I know people much older than me that are utterly incompetent.
Amen!Mechanix said:
From what ive seen, most people up to 30 arent good at making the BEST decision. Especially if your still living at home, you have no idea what life is like and therefore CANNOT make good long term decisions. Im learning that right now and thats what parents are for.
Also it sounds like your always fighting with your parents whenever they tell you to do somthing. If you do that they wont give you freedom. If you do what they tell you without complaint they will likely start to slowly give you more freedom and responsibility. Ive seen it first hand between my brothers. The younger is polite and helpful and has MORE freedom than the older who always wants his way and if he doesnt get it he start a HUGE fit and wont stop until I (the oldest) have to manhandle him into his room and gaurd the door for half an hour
You may not be that extreeme but the lesson is still there. THATS how you show responsibility and gain the freedom you desire (its kinda backwards but it works)
I gotta say, I've felt like that a lot (I'm 16) but it always turns out in the end that I'm wrong in some way and that my parents always seem to have one step ahead of me. So I think they know best, or at least it seems that my parents do.
But my parents don't treat me exactly as a kid. I'm an intelligent person and much more mature than the other people my age (I'm sure that made me sound like a little 13 year old but w/e) and my parents understand what to trust me with and what to not.
But I understand what you can feel, because I can see it, all though again, it ALWAYS seems that my parents are right.
But for kids 1-14, I'd say they shouldn't make their own decisions. After that it's all about how fast they have matured and how intelligent they are.
But my parents don't treat me exactly as a kid. I'm an intelligent person and much more mature than the other people my age (I'm sure that made me sound like a little 13 year old but w/e) and my parents understand what to trust me with and what to not.
But I understand what you can feel, because I can see it, all though again, it ALWAYS seems that my parents are right.
But for kids 1-14, I'd say they shouldn't make their own decisions. After that it's all about how fast they have matured and how intelligent they are.
The irony of that makes me tingle in places it shouldn't.fluffybacon said:
OT: Kids are just stupider, more immature, and shorter adults, and bar some circumstances where the kid might know more about a given situation than an adult, if they make decisions themselves they're likely to be worse. BUT making bad choices and learning from your mistakes is important, so if you give a kid absolutely no freedom they're likely to grow up to be pretty sheltered and inexperienced.
He said children. 3-12. Last time I checked 12 years olds can't get a job. No, not even Mc'donalds.EspirituExterminatus said:
Yes, I actually have that poster.
You are legally your parents property so shut up and do what your elders tell you. Because yes, they do know better than you. If you do not like it. Shut up and move out. Prove that you can take care of yourself as an adult.
Crying about shit on the internet is so not the way to handle things and just proves you are not deserving of adult respect.
Of course, you're right and everyone else is wrong. I realize that the majority isn't always worth listening to, but still, if absolutely nobody agrees with you on something, maybe it's you that's wrong. Especially when you consider the fact that many of the people here have experienced what you're dealing with themselves, have since grown up, and do know what they're talking about.dcomproductions said:
I'm probably younger than you unless your 14, but i can tell that you are just trying to angry because your parents have done something that you have deemed either idiotic or unfair. I ask, what did they do? If we know what they did that is unfair/idiotic than we will agree with you. Nevertheless insulting people is not a good way to show that you are mature enough to make your own decisions.
1-3: Babies, can't make a complete sentence.
4--7: Kids, need guidance, and less sugar.
8-10: Maturing.. Doesn't wet the bed anymore at least.
11-13: Now, you start thinking differently than your parents, wondering why their the boss of you, but can't the computer, dvd, tv, etc.
14-17: You can get a job, forget allowance! You still are angry at the fact that your parents still can't figure out that the power button turns on the tv, but can keep you in on the night of THE BIG PARTY!
18-24: Graduate. You free, now you only have to see them for ThanksGiving and Christmas! You feel powerful, no boundaries anything you want. College is the best.
25-30: You're out of college,you start looking for more serious relationships. Wanting a companion. You visit your parents more often, just to see them.
31-36: You married with a kid on the way, you're going to be seeing your parents more often, babysitting.
37-44 : You see a little bit of yourself in your kid, and it is a pain. So what if I can't turn on the tv by myself!
45-52: Your kids leave, and your parents don't look to good. You visit them a lot more.
53-60: Your a grand father/mother! How excited to see something you brought into the world, bring something in the world. Your parents die, and you wonder if your kids will be with you when you die.
61-70: You dive deeper into your age, the world flies by you, and you wonder when it will all end.
70-?: Your kids spend lots of time with you during your final moments. You die. All in All, pretty cool.
4--7: Kids, need guidance, and less sugar.
8-10: Maturing.. Doesn't wet the bed anymore at least.
11-13: Now, you start thinking differently than your parents, wondering why their the boss of you, but can't the computer, dvd, tv, etc.
14-17: You can get a job, forget allowance! You still are angry at the fact that your parents still can't figure out that the power button turns on the tv, but can keep you in on the night of THE BIG PARTY!
18-24: Graduate. You free, now you only have to see them for ThanksGiving and Christmas! You feel powerful, no boundaries anything you want. College is the best.
25-30: You're out of college,you start looking for more serious relationships. Wanting a companion. You visit your parents more often, just to see them.
31-36: You married with a kid on the way, you're going to be seeing your parents more often, babysitting.
37-44 : You see a little bit of yourself in your kid, and it is a pain. So what if I can't turn on the tv by myself!
45-52: Your kids leave, and your parents don't look to good. You visit them a lot more.
53-60: Your a grand father/mother! How excited to see something you brought into the world, bring something in the world. Your parents die, and you wonder if your kids will be with you when you die.
61-70: You dive deeper into your age, the world flies by you, and you wonder when it will all end.
70-?: Your kids spend lots of time with you during your final moments. You die. All in All, pretty cool.
Well done for pretty much putting my most feared nightmares into wordstheironbat46 said:
Hell, my life might turn out that way. I'm just afraid of it turning out that way, because I couldn't come up with anything better.
To the Original Poster. How old are you exactly? I'm not trying to insult you or question your maturity. I'm only saying that nobody will be able to sympathize with you, when we only know that you're a minor, who feels ill-treated by his or her parents.
Up to a certain age, and depending on the decision, no kids can not make their own decisions. For instance, if I was watching my 8 year old nephew, I wouldn't let him decide how much soda he could have and candy he could eat. However, if he wanted to watch a movie, I would let him decide what movie he wanted to watch (barring certain "R" rated movies- although he has seen several R movies and handles them well).
With teenagers, it varies. I am 15, I have tried to stay politically informed for the last 6 years of my life, and I can outlast almost every adult I know in debate without resorting to immaturity. On the other hand- many people I wonder how many people I know my age manage get through the day. That being said- I wonder how EVERY 18 year old I meet manages to get through the day.
Many are on "our" side in this. Socialist Party USA has this to say about their policies concerning youth:
As far as your original point- no, not everyone is "blinded", but many are. It is up to us, as the youth, to set an example of what we are capable of by striving to be the best we can be. It is only through exemplary actions taken by the youth, that the stigma against it will disappear.
With teenagers, it varies. I am 15, I have tried to stay politically informed for the last 6 years of my life, and I can outlast almost every adult I know in debate without resorting to immaturity. On the other hand- many people I wonder how many people I know my age manage get through the day. That being said- I wonder how EVERY 18 year old I meet manages to get through the day.
Many are on "our" side in this. Socialist Party USA has this to say about their policies concerning youth:
1) We support the immediate ratification by the United States of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.
2) We call for children's allowances that will help ensure that every child's basic rights and needs are satisfied in a stimulating, empowering, and caring environment.
3. We support free, quality care and education for all children and young people, federally financed and community controlled through democratically elected local boards that will include youth members.
4. We support the rights of minors to be free of any kind of child abuse or neglect whether physical, mental, emotional, or sexual.
5. We oppose measures that increase responsibilities and penalties on youth ostensibly to curb crime.
6. We call for an end to military draft registration, and an end to military recruiting in educational institutions.
7. We call for the abolition of parent consent and notification laws for reproductive health services, including abortion.
8. We call for the right to comprehensive sex education in school that includes birth control methods, STD protection, and information about being GLBTQ.
9. We call for the lowering of the voting age to 15
10. We oppose age-based curfew laws.
2) We call for children's allowances that will help ensure that every child's basic rights and needs are satisfied in a stimulating, empowering, and caring environment.
3. We support free, quality care and education for all children and young people, federally financed and community controlled through democratically elected local boards that will include youth members.
4. We support the rights of minors to be free of any kind of child abuse or neglect whether physical, mental, emotional, or sexual.
5. We oppose measures that increase responsibilities and penalties on youth ostensibly to curb crime.
6. We call for an end to military draft registration, and an end to military recruiting in educational institutions.
7. We call for the abolition of parent consent and notification laws for reproductive health services, including abortion.
8. We call for the right to comprehensive sex education in school that includes birth control methods, STD protection, and information about being GLBTQ.
9. We call for the lowering of the voting age to 15
10. We oppose age-based curfew laws.
As far as your original point- no, not everyone is "blinded", but many are. It is up to us, as the youth, to set an example of what we are capable of by striving to be the best we can be. It is only through exemplary actions taken by the youth, that the stigma against it will disappear.