Poll: do you think children aren't able to make decisions for themselves?
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After seeing most responses in this thread, I agree with Mr. Hope Chest, and as always he said it much better than I ever could. Of course, I'm 15, so I'm biased here.Hope Chest said:
I know that around the time I joined there was a bit of a youth bashing thing going on (fun fact, it's why I joined). Apparently that hasn't really changed, it just hasn't surfaced itself much for a while.
Oh Noes!2012 Wont Happen said:derailment vetoed!skitzo van said:
OT: After reading these responses I've realized how I'm caught between child and adult, occasionally being a whiny prick and slightly being mature, and now I've realized there ARE other people who felt EXACTLY like I did, and I feel I should focus on being an adult more and stop giving my parents crap. Now I feel as though my mind is maturing at its abnormal rate again! I feel as though my mind has been born again and I don't know why I'm saying it on the internet.
Just as a matter of record, I am in all junior classes except for my electives. Anyway, g'night.Not a Spy said:
Judging by your inability to rationally deal with disagreement, I'd say you, personally, cannot make INTELLIGENT decisions for yourself. You can make your own decisions, but their likely to be bad ones. And from my own experience, I know that if I were to tell little me some of the mistakes I've made, he'd punt me in the balls and then grow up to make the same mistakes, because I wouldn't learn from some punk-ass pasty 18-year-old telling me how he fucked up our life. So you should be allowed to make some decisions, if only to fuck up and learn, but right now, nothing too major.
Kids under 8 may still make wrong decisions, because they don't know everything yet. After that, though? Easily. Kids are much smarter than most people think.
But remember - only fools learn exclusively on their own mistakes. Smart people also learn from mistakes of others. So be rational.
But remember - only fools learn exclusively on their own mistakes. Smart people also learn from mistakes of others. So be rational.
It comes down to ,do you respect your parents? and they you? respect is something earned, never given.
Personally one of my parents never had MY respect to begin with,ie; heavy drinker, wife beater, drunken disciplinarian and basically repeatedly making supportive comments like this when in their cups, "you ruined my life the day you were born" "I want to grind you into the ground until you are nothing" "got your 1st job eh? its about time you started pulling your own weight, half of your weekly income should cover the rent and keep you out of trouble""You walk out that door to live by yourself and you are dead to me"
What can I say growing up in that environment I realised very early some people are a**holes. but it also made me mostly unsympathetic to other peoples "problems".
Normal parents as a whole have an interest in their childs development, and acting on these interests no matter how misconstrued or repressive seeming are is just a demonstration of their love and concern for their little piece of joy.
Personally one of my parents never had MY respect to begin with,ie; heavy drinker, wife beater, drunken disciplinarian and basically repeatedly making supportive comments like this when in their cups, "you ruined my life the day you were born" "I want to grind you into the ground until you are nothing" "got your 1st job eh? its about time you started pulling your own weight, half of your weekly income should cover the rent and keep you out of trouble""You walk out that door to live by yourself and you are dead to me"
What can I say growing up in that environment I realised very early some people are a**holes. but it also made me mostly unsympathetic to other peoples "problems".
Normal parents as a whole have an interest in their childs development, and acting on these interests no matter how misconstrued or repressive seeming are is just a demonstration of their love and concern for their little piece of joy.
They can make certain decisions for themselves, but when it's the case of say a 5 year old boy who identifies as female, and is wanting to go on Hormone replacement therapy asap so she doesn't go through puberty like her brother, i think decisions like that should be left to the parents.dcomproductions said:
Weird example I know, but I recently watched an Oprah special on just that issue.
Quit your moaning. Your parents know best, don't bother complaining about it on the Internet. Perhaps you aren't mature enough to make the decisions your parents are allegedly stripping from you. Perhaps your parents aren't trying to 'mold' you, so much as they are trying to prepare you for living on your own, as is a parent's job.
Yes, you can make your own decisions. However, this doesn't mean you should.
This is coming from a sixteen year old, so you should know you've got some growing up to do before you can claim to being able to decide things for yourself.
On the topic of whether or not children should be ble to make their own decisions, it all really depends on the individual child's intelligence and maturity. Simple as that.
Yes, you can make your own decisions. However, this doesn't mean you should.
This is coming from a sixteen year old, so you should know you've got some growing up to do before you can claim to being able to decide things for yourself.
On the topic of whether or not children should be ble to make their own decisions, it all really depends on the individual child's intelligence and maturity. Simple as that.
are you serious, I'm pretty sure gaming kids aren't as bored as to take drugs and stuff, it's not like we make COMPLETELY idiotic decisions, who's voting on this poll? (a bunch of kid hating wrenches. also the above guys thing about being mature and things, i agree.
also I'm 14. (ad to all of you child molesters I'm acutely 30 so make YOUR own decision.
also I'm 14. (ad to all of you child molesters I'm acutely 30 so make YOUR own decision.
Just a reminder.
Adults can be childish morons aswell. A company where my dad works in, had to change the titles of their employees for one month, and then change them back. Some of them threw themselves on the floor, crying, because their temporary titles weren't as cool as the original ones.
We're talking about 40-50 year old men, at the top of their careers, wearing suits, driving Audis, and traveling around the world so they can play golf during winter.
A friend's sister and myself have got fired from a workplace for not eating at the same place with everyone else. She had worked there for five years, longer than anyone else. They also blamed me for turning my best friend (who also worked there, and got me the job) somehow against them.
When we got fired, they told my friend that they had hoped he would pay more attention to them, now that his stupid friend and sister were both gone. He gave them all a big old WTF, and quit.
Adults do fucking stupid shit, and by no means are they any less childish than actual teenagers. Just because you grow up, doesn't mean you automaticly become unselfish, gain loads of confidence, a high self-esteem, and an unbreakable ego.
Adults can be childish morons aswell. A company where my dad works in, had to change the titles of their employees for one month, and then change them back. Some of them threw themselves on the floor, crying, because their temporary titles weren't as cool as the original ones.
We're talking about 40-50 year old men, at the top of their careers, wearing suits, driving Audis, and traveling around the world so they can play golf during winter.
A friend's sister and myself have got fired from a workplace for not eating at the same place with everyone else. She had worked there for five years, longer than anyone else. They also blamed me for turning my best friend (who also worked there, and got me the job) somehow against them.
When we got fired, they told my friend that they had hoped he would pay more attention to them, now that his stupid friend and sister were both gone. He gave them all a big old WTF, and quit.
Adults do fucking stupid shit, and by no means are they any less childish than actual teenagers. Just because you grow up, doesn't mean you automaticly become unselfish, gain loads of confidence, a high self-esteem, and an unbreakable ego.
*Possible huge level of bias seeing as I'm 15*
Well my parents are pretty good, they trust me to make my own decisions and give me a say in what goes on in my life, and I have friends who have both ends of the spectrum, some have parents who have no trust in them whatsoever and rail against it by drinking, smoking and fighting, others are given free reign to do those things and abuse, it, whilst others still have those privileges and realise that that that is what they are privileges and treat them as such.
So while my parents don't allow drinking and discourage it if I go over to a mates place whose parents allow it I might have a couple of drinks, but I won't abuse it, because I've been taught it.
So I think it depends on the kid and the parents, if a kid proves himself to be more trustworthy give them more rope, if they use that rope to strangle you, cut it off. And good parents shouldn't have any reason not to trust their kids, because they should have taught them what is acceptable and whats not.
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Well my parents are pretty good, they trust me to make my own decisions and give me a say in what goes on in my life, and I have friends who have both ends of the spectrum, some have parents who have no trust in them whatsoever and rail against it by drinking, smoking and fighting, others are given free reign to do those things and abuse, it, whilst others still have those privileges and realise that that that is what they are privileges and treat them as such.
So while my parents don't allow drinking and discourage it if I go over to a mates place whose parents allow it I might have a couple of drinks, but I won't abuse it, because I've been taught it.
So I think it depends on the kid and the parents, if a kid proves himself to be more trustworthy give them more rope, if they use that rope to strangle you, cut it off. And good parents shouldn't have any reason not to trust their kids, because they should have taught them what is acceptable and whats not.
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kids indeed nowadays are retarded, however usually if parents make decision for them it's most of the time bad one. they should be allowed to choose themselves othervice they'll never learn.
OP, from your tendency to get angry and defensive with almost no provocation, and your poor grammar, I'm going to guess that you, as an individual, aren't mature enough to make your own decisions. (For the most part.)
Let me say, quickly, that I thought the same way when I was 14 - 16.dcomproductions said:
My dad didn't know anything, I knew what I wanted and what was 'right'.
He was old and out of touch, and I knew what was what.
He was trying to make me something I wasn't, and I wasn't going to stand for it.
And you know what I did?
I grew up.
And I'm not saying that in a rude, or condescending way. I really mean it: I grew up.
And I also adopted a little saying: The older I get, the smarter my father gets.
Which means, basically, that the older I get, the more I realize that my dad did actually (And does actually) know what he's talking about. He wasn't stopping me from having fun, he was trying to help me make mature decisions that would stop me from making huge mistakes.
Now I'm older, married, and living on my own. And you know what? I goto him for advice on all sorts of things. He can't really 'tell me what to do' anymore, but I hold his opinion, knowledge, and wisdom in high regard. A big difference from when I was younger (Though I'm still young), and a big lesson learned.