Poll: DOA jiggle physics discussion, should it exist?

[Swyftstar]

That may be a meme associated with games but the idea of skimpy female armor in no way originated or is limited to videogames. If anything, games have emulated the standard set forth in fantasy novels and movies. That meme could have been made decades ago about various forms of media.

And that makes it okay?

If another form of media does it then we're totally exempt from any form of criticism?

Didn't say that. Just didn't want it thought that games were the primary or worse offender.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Not...sure what I'm meant to be discussing here, but...any kind of game should be able to be created, and if you want to play it, there should always be a way for that to happen, short of you moving to another country. Minors and adults is a whole other kettle of fish, but if you're an adult who is the government to tell you you can't handle a game because it may be offensive? F*** you, authority.

On the other issue at hand, jiggle physics ia very minor crime compared to the overall treatment of females as characters (BUT I'M NOT GETTING INTO THAT). While it does take away a bit of gravitas when used inappropriately, it has the right to exist and should be in any game that wants it.

 

[Hagi]

That may be a meme associated with games but the idea of skimpy female armor in no way originated or is limited to videogames. If anything, games have emulated the standard set forth in fantasy novels and movies. That meme could have been made decades ago about various forms of media.

And that makes it okay?

If another form of media does it then we're totally exempt from any form of criticism?

Didn't say that. Just didn't want it thought that games were the primary or worse offender.

Not trying to say that.

Just trying to say that there's a lot of room for improvement and variety and that I believe it's fair game to criticize games like this, in an effort to prod developers into making those improvements or adding more variety.

Games like DoA aren't evil or anything like that. I however don't think there's much to be admired about them either.

If your standards come down to the best thing to be said about a game is that it's not bad then I'd agree that DoA shouldn't be criticized.

If your standards however are somewhat higher and you'd like games that inspire and amaze you then I'd say there's a few things to be said about DoA, it's female characters being one of them.

 

[Ryotknife]

To be fair, from what i hear the male version of that race wears even less and is just as sexualized. Cant really use it as an example when both genders in that race are basically whores.

Women as purely sex objects in games are not the norm.....anymore at least. Hell i would argue that there is more great straight female characters than there are straight male characters in the past...2 years.

There are still a few games whose appeal heavily invests in sex (DOA, ninja gaiden, whatever that mud wrestling game was like 8 years ago), as long as it is just a niche and not the norm, whatever.

Again, what happens to males is quite frankly irrelevant as to whether or not what happens to women is good or not. Having a score of shallow female characters does not suddenly become admirable when accompanied by a score of shallow male characters.

I'm not saying that having shallow and unrealistic characters is something that happens uniquely to women. That being the case however does not make it good that those type of characters are, in my opinion, too prevalent in gaming. See, for example, Jim's video on the FPS sausage-fest.

I'm not trying to make the point that this is somehow bad or evil. There's nothing wrong with shallow characters. There's however nothing right about them either. They're exactly that, shallow, uninspiring and "meh".

And I think that, currently, there's still too much "meh" in gaming. I'd personally like to see a bit more inspiring and deep things, female characters being one of those things.

Oh, it is shallow as hell. But in this case, its a fighting game. The depth behind the character is nearly meaningless. The only depth in a fighting game is in its mechanics. It is like expecting a riveting saga from a football game.

If they pulled a DOA in a rpg game (or any game that revolves around a story), yea that would make me angry because it is a wasted opportunity for a great character. that rarely happens anymore.

Female characters have shown vast improvements in the past decade. They are hitting a wall right now, sure, but it is the same wall that the entire industry is hitting. lack of creativity, stagnation, making games that are the same as every other game.

 

[Lunar Templar]

To be fair, from what i hear the male version of that race wears even less and is just as sexualized. Cant really use it as an example when both genders in that race are basically whores.

hi, just popping in to say 'eeyup', the males pretty much wear about as much as the females, not just that race ether but most of em, as is my experience with the 7 day trial

 

[axlryder]

Worst poll I've seen in a while. But yeah, why not get two of these threads going? Double the fun!

 

[Smeatza]

If I find a game offensive I don't buy it, that's good enough for me.
I don't have an inflated sense of self importance, that requires me to assert my personal tastes on others.

 

[Hagi]

Oh, it is shallow as hell. But in this case, its a fighting game. The depth behind the character is nearly meaningless.

If they pulled a DOA in a rpg game (or any game that revolves around a story), yea that would make me angry because it is a wasted opportunity for a great character. that rarely happens anymore.

Female characters have shown vast improvements in the past decade. They are hitting a wall right now, sure, but it is the same wall that the entire industry is hitting.

Agreed on that, the issue is far greater than just female characters.

I personally think that the only way to get past that wall is to get developers to spend more time and effort on their writing, so that they may develop working theories of how to tell truly amazing stories in the unique medium of gaming.

I also think that criticizing any game, even a fighting game, that does not put this much effort into it's writing and characters is a good way to let developers know that we desire them to spend more time and effort on that writing.

And even if that criticizing sometimes descends into whining, bitching and moaning I don't think we should stop doing it, although it's definitely fair game to point out that someone is whining/bitching/moaning.

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

Apparently I'm the only person who buys DOA games cause they're a heck-tonne of fun to play and much better than Tekken? And the jiggle physics are just hilarious -- they're far too amusing to be erotic. Like balloon porn.

 

[J. Mazarin]

DoA ceased being relevant after the 'beach volleyball' game came out anyways.

Seriously, considering how many other, better fighting games there are nowadays, the only reason to play DoA is if you're a sad little pervert who can't focus on a game unless hideously huge boobs are being flopped in your face every other second.

 

[ElPatron]

Should it NOT exist?

Who are we to censor what a game developer can do? Last time I checked we were not Fox News.

Seriously, considering how many other, better fighting games there are nowadays, the only reason to play DoA is if you're a sad little pervert who can't focus on a game unless hideously huge boobs are being flopped in your face every other second.

"STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!"

and sexism of any kind [also including Japanese rape games

Because rape is obviously about sexism and not about power and control. Fair play to you if you think like that, but heterosexual rapists have raped men before because of he heightened sense of control.

 

[itaywex]

Lets start the discussion from a view point that its sexist to make female characters in a way that appeals mainly to men.

AAAAnnnd /thread.

Seriously, unless you're trying to set up some kind of echo chamber to attract people to affirm your own opinions, or you're looking to get your badge for creating a huge flamewar thread, starting immediately with a subjective premise like that is not going to anything good for your hopeful 'discussion.'

I'm sorry if this post seems silly to you, the reason I did it is to understand what is the common opinion other people who visit the escapist have about the whole idea of limiting some computer games (or pieces of art) because some groups find it offensive.
[at least in my opinion the important part of the post is the poll, not the flamewars].

Also unless the new budge has something to do with Zero Punctuation im not interested ^+^ (thats my badge theme ).

Also what does AAAAnnnd /thread mean?

 

[TehCookie]

I'd say no, just because it's painful to watch. Why do you think athletes wear a sports bra?

As for the whole "men are sexualized too" I just want to point out the difference between yaoi and bara. Now what do the male fighters resemble more?

 

[Tanis]

Freedom of speech and expression isn't about defending thinks you like, but things you DON'T like.

I find most religions/conspiracy theories offensive, but you don't see me trying to ban the wearing of religious jewelry in a public place or writing hate mail to The History Channel because they're running ANOTHER 'Ancient Aliens' special.

 

[itaywex]

Worst poll I've seen in a while. But yeah, why not get two of these threads going? Double the fun!

... ... ...
sorry.

(any advice how to make it better?).

I expected that most of the people here will vote "yes" but the fact that only 3 voted "no" (and 7 hates me)is quite interesting...
Although I guess it was obvious since the whole "don't like it,don't buy it" argument is quite retaliation-proof.

 

[DementedSheep]

Don't make your title question and your poll question different otherwise people will answer the wrong one.

OT: No I don?t think all offensive games have the right to be made. Some things are just wrong but I?m meaning extreme examples like the rape games.
DOA jiggle physics are not in that category; it?s not really harming anyone (on its own at least, I don't feel like arguing about trends at the moment). I don?t like it and hate when this sort of shit ends up in game I actually want to play but I don?t think it needs to banned.

 

[Deathmageddon]

Real breasts jiggle; why shouldn't their digital counterparts? REALISM!!

 

[itaywex]

Don't make your title question and your poll question different otherwise people will answer the wrong one.

OT: No I don?t think all offensive games have the right to be made. Some things are just wrong but I?m meaning extreme examples like the rape games.
DOA jiggle physics are not in that category; it?s not really harming anyone (on its own at least, I don't feel like arguing about trends at the moment). I don?t like it and hate when this sort of shit ends up in game I actually want to play but I don?t think it needs to banned.

Thanks ill remember that next time.

The thing is that people might consider DOA offensive the same way you consider the "rape games" extreme and unworthy of being imported/made, if you have the right to decide that games like this shouldn't get published where you live than why doesn't other people get to ban DOA or modern warfare? (and assasin's creed, and bioshock, and spore) because each of this games has the potential to be offensive to certain people in society hence the slippery slope.

I didn't give answers like "only some of the offensive games shouldn't be made" because "offensive" is subjective.