Poll: Does Batman really need Robin?
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No, he and black Ken are perfectly happy humping each other all night long. .....I'm not the only one who realized that Ken is gay, right? Really? Wow......Akalabeth said:
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but if you look at the movies alone just as the movies, I think they'd have to add either a sidekick of one hell of a villain because Bale's Batman can't carry a movie on his own. He tried in Batman Begins but had to be heavily supported by Alfred and Lucius, they made it much more interesting. Villains were bad this time around, but it is forgivable, this one was about Batman's origins.
In Dark Knight, Alfred and Lucius were toned down but Gordon was given more screen time. Then you've got Dent/Two-Face who was a major part of the plot direction, and the Joker who was not only a fan fav but also was the overseer of the whole show. They killed Dent (real shitty job too), and Joker wont quite be the same with Ledger dead, so they'll need a new crop of villains to keep things entertaining. Regardless, with all this extra support just hammered down how boring Batman is on his own. And with Bruce Wayne getting more insane as the series goes on its about time they give him an anchor, they can't use Rachel anymore either.
All in all, a Robin will help, especially Dick Grayson. Bruce Wayne takes in Grayson as a chance to redo his own life vicariously. Dick's parents were both murdered, like Wayne's, and this creates a lot of frustration which if not properly guided will ultimately lead to making another villain for Batman to have to fight. This is also a good time to show the gangsters again, as Nolan seems to love them. They kill Grayson's parents and then we can move on to something other than cleaning up the town that the last two have been about.
What this does to the movie franchise is brings it back full circle to the beginning of Batman Begins, but also kind of makes it into the same movie. Except, that at the end of Dark Knight, Batman makes himself out to be the anti-hero so they could add Robin as a way to redeem Batman in the eyes of the population of Gotham. It also shows how Batman has matured over the years and still lets the primary theme of the trilogy be revenge. 1st time was Batman's, 2nd time was Dent's. 3rd one can be about Robin's struggle to get revenge while Batman is trying to keep Grayson sane unlike himself. Again, they have screwed a few things up by having Barbara Gordon shown as a little kid because she was Bat-Girl at the same time Grayson was Robin. Unless they have a new Barb Gordon show up who was at boarding school the last two movies or something.
Who knows really. Robin is a great character if done right, but hasn't been done right on screen and most people still have the 60's version in their head. Burton was able to change people's mind (general population, not comic book fans) about Batman but when Forever and Batman&Robin destroyed that series they did so without making Robin cool.
tl:dr - didn't miss much. Robin can work, movies need "something" cause Batman can't carry a movie.
In Dark Knight, Alfred and Lucius were toned down but Gordon was given more screen time. Then you've got Dent/Two-Face who was a major part of the plot direction, and the Joker who was not only a fan fav but also was the overseer of the whole show. They killed Dent (real shitty job too), and Joker wont quite be the same with Ledger dead, so they'll need a new crop of villains to keep things entertaining. Regardless, with all this extra support just hammered down how boring Batman is on his own. And with Bruce Wayne getting more insane as the series goes on its about time they give him an anchor, they can't use Rachel anymore either.
All in all, a Robin will help, especially Dick Grayson. Bruce Wayne takes in Grayson as a chance to redo his own life vicariously. Dick's parents were both murdered, like Wayne's, and this creates a lot of frustration which if not properly guided will ultimately lead to making another villain for Batman to have to fight. This is also a good time to show the gangsters again, as Nolan seems to love them. They kill Grayson's parents and then we can move on to something other than cleaning up the town that the last two have been about.
What this does to the movie franchise is brings it back full circle to the beginning of Batman Begins, but also kind of makes it into the same movie. Except, that at the end of Dark Knight, Batman makes himself out to be the anti-hero so they could add Robin as a way to redeem Batman in the eyes of the population of Gotham. It also shows how Batman has matured over the years and still lets the primary theme of the trilogy be revenge. 1st time was Batman's, 2nd time was Dent's. 3rd one can be about Robin's struggle to get revenge while Batman is trying to keep Grayson sane unlike himself. Again, they have screwed a few things up by having Barbara Gordon shown as a little kid because she was Bat-Girl at the same time Grayson was Robin. Unless they have a new Barb Gordon show up who was at boarding school the last two movies or something.
Who knows really. Robin is a great character if done right, but hasn't been done right on screen and most people still have the 60's version in their head. Burton was able to change people's mind (general population, not comic book fans) about Batman but when Forever and Batman&Robin destroyed that series they did so without making Robin cool.
tl:dr - didn't miss much. Robin can work, movies need "something" cause Batman can't carry a movie.
I think Robin would make a great addition to the movies. He's an interesting character, and Nolan's take on him would be really interesting to see.
Also, not to be rude, but you have one "Never!" option and one "NOOOOOO" option. They mean roughly the same thing; why not just have one? And how could "Tacos!" possibly add anything to the discussion?
Also, not to be rude, but you have one "Never!" option and one "NOOOOOO" option. They mean roughly the same thing; why not just have one? And how could "Tacos!" possibly add anything to the discussion?
Nooooooo is in lamentation, while Never! is in anger.Queen Michael said:
I added Tacos because sometimes you just have to let the internet be the internet. Sometimes you try to stop the train, and sometimes you just grab a beer and watch the carnage.
Robin helps keep Batman sane.
Surrounded on all sides by pathetic flunkies who suck up to his every demand, a sycophantic butler who spinelessly supports his crazy endeavors, and a massive company controlled by Morgan Freeman.. uh, I mean a guy who funds his insanity.
He needs someone around who has his feet on the ground, as anyone who has been a little crazy (depression, mania, panic,paranoia etc etc) without anyone around to 'ground' you back to normality can vouch for: craziness breeds without sane people around.
Cartoon and previous movie Robin were kinda wimpy and fail though.
I can't imagine what a dark and gritty Robin would be like, but then again I couldn't imagine a dark and gritty Joker or Two-Face, and they did that marvelously. I'm reserving judgement, but being hopeful.
Surrounded on all sides by pathetic flunkies who suck up to his every demand, a sycophantic butler who spinelessly supports his crazy endeavors, and a massive company controlled by Morgan Freeman.. uh, I mean a guy who funds his insanity.
He needs someone around who has his feet on the ground, as anyone who has been a little crazy (depression, mania, panic,paranoia etc etc) without anyone around to 'ground' you back to normality can vouch for: craziness breeds without sane people around.
Cartoon and previous movie Robin were kinda wimpy and fail though.
I can't imagine what a dark and gritty Robin would be like, but then again I couldn't imagine a dark and gritty Joker or Two-Face, and they did that marvelously. I'm reserving judgement, but being hopeful.
I think that Robin would provide a foil character. Someone who can contrast against Batman and make him even more dark and brooding than before. With this logic, the addition of Robin could provide another layer of depth or if mishandled, create a terrible third film.
What if Robin was more Crazy then Batman ?
Like Venom and Carnage, Carnage is far more insane then Venom with his need to kill and torture.
Makes sense as well since Robin also had his parents murdered right in front of him, only he didn't have anyone else while Bruce Wayne had Alfred. If Robin could be made more un predictable then Batman it could be very intresting.
Like Venom and Carnage, Carnage is far more insane then Venom with his need to kill and torture.
Makes sense as well since Robin also had his parents murdered right in front of him, only he didn't have anyone else while Bruce Wayne had Alfred. If Robin could be made more un predictable then Batman it could be very intresting.
Actually... if you watched Batman TAS (or knew anything about the backstory) She was in college when she became Batgirl (so 18+) and was OUT of college when she and Bruce were a couple.Blindswordmaster said:
Well, I don't agree with MovieBob, I don't think adding Robin is a great idea. But ever since Under the Hood (which they're making an animated film of), Jason has been my favourite Robin.AccursedTheory said:
Her age depends on which series we're talking about. When discussing the brilliance of the 90's Batman nior animated series, yes though their relationship would have been legally acceptable, we're still talking about a man fucking someone half his age who he has known since her childhood and treated like a daughter in many aspects. That revelation struck me as very odd. That was just never a coupling I would have seen coming. A short lived coupling of Batman and Cat-woman producing a child would've been unexpected, but not shocking. My reaction to that was one of shock. It's obvious that it ended quickly/would have never worked out, but that it happened was really weird.Lrbearclaw said:
-Also, I was trying to make a joke. Unfortunately, most of my jokes provoke the same reaction in public. *sigh*
Yes to some degree the same stick get boring after a bit. I'm batman and I'm so angry and bla bla. Robin does not have to be sunny. Plus without a reason to go on WHY is going to start popping up.
There's one yes and two NO's...
Robin's not really needed, but he's always fun to add. He adds a little comic relief from time to time.
Robin's not really needed, but he's always fun to add. He adds a little comic relief from time to time.