Poll: Dog Torture vs. Rapist

[Phoenixlight]

and what about those who believe that which you do is evil? Would you support the idea that they should be allowed to condemn you to death because they merely THINK you are evil? You do not KNOW that what you do is RIGHT, you merely suppose that it is, you sort of "guess" that it is.

My point is, is that if everybody believed that they, solely, were in the right, and that people who disagree with them are in the wrong, then everybody would be trying to condemn each other to death.

But the thing is I do know, i'm very objective and can prove what classifies as good and what can be classified as evil. Torturing a dog is evil because it causes a lot of pain for the animal, being a Vegetarian is good because animals aren't killed for food.

 

[zehydra]

and what about those who believe that which you do is evil? Would you support the idea that they should be allowed to condemn you to death because they merely THINK you are evil? You do not KNOW that what you do is RIGHT, you merely suppose that it is, you sort of "guess" that it is.

My point is, is that if everybody believed that they, solely, were in the right, and that people who disagree with them are in the wrong, then everybody would be trying to condemn each other to death.

But the thing is I do know, i'm very objective and can prove what classifies as good and what can be classified as evil. Torturing a dog is evil because it causes a lot of pain for the animal, being a Vegetarian is good because animals aren't killed for food.

objectively prove that causing pain to an animal is evil.

 

[Phoenixlight]

objectively prove that causing pain to an animal is evil.

Deliberately causing pain to an animal is evil because not only does the animal (in this case: dog) writhe in pain and get upset they can also receive permanent damage to an internal organ which could lead to their death. And killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party in the world.

 

[zehydra]

objectively prove that causing pain to an animal is evil.

Deliberately causing pain to an animal is evil because not only does the animal (in this case: dog) writhe in pain and get upset they can also receive permanent damage to an internal organ which could lead to their death. And killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party in the world.

So, because killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party, it's evil?

That doesn't make sense. You're only saying that it's objectively evil because everybody else seems to think so, and have provided no actual grounds relating to the nature of evil.

Your argument is like saying that X is a car, because everbody seems to think so. (as opposed to saying that X is a car, because it fulfills the definition of "car").

 

[Phoenixlight]

So, because killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party, it's evil?

That doesn't make sense. You're only saying that it's objectively evil because everybody else seems to think so, and have provided no actual grounds relating to the nature of evil.

Your argument is like saying that X is a car, because everbody seems to think so. (as opposed to saying that X is a car, because it fulfills the definition of "car").

If no sane person disagrees then I'd say that's proof enough, the difference between right and wrong is quite clear with this being obviously wrong. Why you feel the need to defend the rapists and tortureres of the world is very odd. They don't accidently do these things, they're aware of what they're doing and if they stopped to think about it would realise that what they're doing is wrong. We really don't need people like that in a perfect world which is something that people should be working towards.

 

[zehydra]

So, because killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party, it's evil?

That doesn't make sense. You're only saying that it's objectively evil because everybody else seems to think so, and have provided no actual grounds relating to the nature of evil.

Your argument is like saying that X is a car, because everbody seems to think so. (as opposed to saying that X is a car, because it fulfills the definition of "car").

If no sane person disagrees then I'd say that's proof enough, the difference between right and wrong is quite clear with this being obviously wrong. Why you feel the need to defend the rapists and tortureres of the world is very odd. They don't accidently do these things, they're aware of what they're doing and if they stopped to think about it would realise that what they're doing is wrong. We really don't need people like that in a perfect world which is something that people should be working towards.

People often do not disagree because they simply go with what they're told.

I am defending them because they are people too, and we have system already set up to punish them. Why you need to see them DEAD is beyond me.

There is no "perfect" world to work towards. "perfect" is a completely subjective point of view!

 

[Phoenixlight]

People often do not disagree because they simply go with what they're told.

I am defending them because they are people too, and we have system already set up to punish them. Why you need to see them DEAD is beyond me.

There is no "perfect" world to work towards. "perfect" is a completely subjective point of view!

Look at it this way, they had their chance to be nice normal humans but abused that right. The remaining good people shouldn't have to waste their money through taxes to pay for them to be punished, letting them live only hurts the economy.

 

[zehydra]

People often do not disagree because they simply go with what they're told.

I am defending them because they are people too, and we have system already set up to punish them. Why you need to see them DEAD is beyond me.

There is no "perfect" world to work towards. "perfect" is a completely subjective point of view!

Look at it this way, they had their chance to be nice normal humans but abused that right. The remaining good people shouldn't have to waste their money through taxes to pay for them to be punished, letting them live only hurts the economy.

I contest the notion that "nice normal humans" exist. So you would have all criminals face the death penalty because keeping them alive in jail is a waste of tax dollars?

Btw, we should probably let this thread die. If you want to continue to talk about this, PM me.