Poll: Dog Torture vs. Rapist

[EllEzDee]

Even if it was entirely true that Kobe raped the woman, Vick has abused far more lives than Kobe.

Okay, I'm trying to think of a polite way to put this, but nothing is really coming to mind so here goes-

They're just fucking dogs. I love my dog a lot, he's a fantastic friend, but he's still just that, a dog. Even comparing rape to animal cruelty isn't like comparing apples to oranges, it's like comparing a super-soaker to an Ak-47. Yes, losing a dog is terrible, but it sure as hell beats getting raped any day. Hell, even a thousand dead/tortured dogs is better than one innocent person getting raped. By a goddam mile.

Yea, dogs aren't alive or anything. They don't have thoughts, or dreams, or anything because they're just dogs and humans are the master aryan race most important species.
We've established that this case, since Kobe wasn't convicted, is clearly in favour of Vick being the Dick. But even if it were a fair case to compare it to, where Kobe forced his meat in some girl and Vick forced a shit load of dogs to fight to the death for his sexual pleasure, Vick has still taken or abused more lives than Kobe. Stop trying to measure the value of a human life against that of any other species and realise that everything, at least in my own eyes, is of equal fucking value.
And why is it that every moral argument about animal cruelty has to start with "I LOVE MY DOG A LOT, BUT..."?

Kobe supposedly raped a woman. That's terrible, yea, but he wasn't charged with raping her, and Vick has been irrefutably charged with animal abuse.

Even if it was entirely true that Kobe raped the woman, Vick has abused far more lives than Kobe.

Yep, pretty much this.

Innocent until proven guilty. And while raping one woman is worse than abusing one animal, Vick abused a lot of animals.

Wow, someone (just read the thread, there's a small handful actually) with an actual sense of morality on a Gaming Forum. There's something you don't see every blue moon. It's amazing how our so-called civilised society sees the life of anything besides a human (at least until about 60 years back for some countries AMIRITE AMERICA EH) as replaceable and cheap. Maybe one day we'll have a functioning society where people realise the value of life, and animals have the same breakthrough Blacks had. And maybe one day i'll learn to fly using just my teeth.

They were just dogs? Since when did a human become so much more valuable than a animal?

Since when was an animal close to the worth of a human?

They have always been of equal worth. But some people (read: idiots) like to claim humans are somehow inherently worth more for some bullshit reason.
I value animal life and human life the same until they prove they are worth less. (eg: Dog attacking random people for no reason. Human hurting others for fun)

So if a truck was about to hit a dog and a human, you'd have trouble deciding which one to save?

So he literally explained his argument to you, and you put a completely redundant question to him? I can't help but GUUUUH at moments like these.

 

[Jaranja]

I'd trust the dog kicker more than the rapist I guess

I don't see why you'd have to choose. I wouldn't trust either of them at all. Not even a smidgen.

Just saying rape is worse than the dog thing, of course I wouldn't trust either of them

Depends who was raped, honestly.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

I'd trust the dog kicker more than the rapist I guess

I don't see why you'd have to choose. I wouldn't trust either of them at all. Not even a smidgen.

Just saying rape is worse than the dog thing, of course I wouldn't trust either of them

Depends who was raped, honestly.

I so hope that this was irony...


Now, all of you who said that dog torture is worse than human rape:
Are you all VEGAN?
If so, cudos.
If not: Hypocrites.

 

[ace_of_something]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

>all the rapists that I know.
wat?
>most of the people in prison/jail
you know them too?

I know tons.

Sorry, I'm a police officer. I previously worked in a large jail for 3ish years as well. You'd be surprised how much you learn about a group of 60 murderers/rapists/robbers when you have to sit there and watch them play cards and argue about the president for 3 months (that's how long you had to sit in one part of the facility before you were reassigned)

 

[Prof. Monkeypox]

Both should be barred from playing, let alone earning an dubious accolades. Their skill is completely insignificant to me in the face of what they have done.

Except, legally, Kobe did nothing. We have a legal system for a reason. Innocent until proven guilty. He was proven innocent.

Who's Kobe? I wasn't speaking of anyone in particular- I was answering the hypothetical. A convicted rapist and/or convicted dog fighter should both be barred from playing.

I don't know football at all, so besides Vick, I don't know what examples people are using.

 

[Krion_Vark]

*SNIP*

Those covers WERE NOT chosen by the fans. It was chosen by the developer because he is unfortunately the best player currently in the NBA.

But still no one was making a big fuss about him being on it. Regardless of who chose it no one really complained. If EA had just chosen Vick because, rather than this poll, it would have been the same thing I wager. Michael Vick is one of the best players currently in the NFL.

Personally I think Vick, Rothlisburger and Bryant should all be in jail right now for what they have done/ "accused" of doing. Just because they have money they get out of their shit. Apparently money speaks louder than anything.

 

[BanthaFodder]

sadly, rape gets much less attention in the media than animal abuse. but no, Vick is an awful human being and should NOT be on the cover. does this justify anyone else who did something worse (rape, murder, etc.)? HELL NO. and frankly, it's insanely stupid of anyone to think that.

Really confused by this statement, considering the Kobe event was overly televised, and I recall the Roethlesburger ( I have no idea if I spelled that right) attack was also splattered all across the tv. I think it's stupid to compare apples to oranges at this point. One was convicted, the other was not. Just because you're an athlete doesn't mean you deserve a free pass in life.

well, what I basically meant was that people and the media still talk about Vick's dog fighting, whereas with rape, it's big for a week or two, then no one mentions it again.
but my main point is that while there are others who have done worse, that does not justify his actions.
I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement. whether you're an athlete (Vick, Kobe, etc.), an actor/actress (Lindsey Lohan, Charlie Sheen, etc.), or someone who thinks they're famous (Paris Hilton, Perez Hilton, etc.), you are NOT above the law in any way, shape, or form.

 

[thedeathscythe]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

>all the rapists that I know.
wat?
>most of the people in prison/jail
you know them too?

I know tons.

Sorry, I'm a police officer. I previously worked in a large jail for 3ish years as well. You'd be surprised how much you learn about a group of 60 murderers/rapists/robbers when you have to sit there and watch them play cards and argue about the president for 3 months (that's how long you had to sit in one part of the facility before you were reassigned)

Alright, that's fair, I was under the assumption you were an average joe that just happened to have a lot of friends who were rapists and chimos. It's like when someone says "I know 12 year olds that are stronger than you" and you respond "You know 12 year olds?"

 

[vodkafairy]

The reason people still talk about Vick's dogs is that as a media driven society we're a) basically brainwashed by any media channel pursuing ratings and b) all hypocrites. To anyone that says dogs are as valuable/worthy of empathy/important as humans, look inside you as a member of a different species and tell me you'd value the life of an animal, regardless of which animal that would be over the well being of a human.
We're different species and i'm pretty sure we're hardwired to give more of a damn about carbon based lifeforms our side of the fence. After all, love developed as a survival mechanism, and it's really not that much different from empathy.
So, long story short, even if you chant loudly for the rights of dogs/cats/lemurs, you're still a human being and would probably choose one of your own kind over any animal, considering the same circumstances (neither one of those was a dick that stole your sandwich at work/doesn't flush/whatever).
Just my 2c.

 

[Defense]

They were just dogs? Since when did a human become so much more valuable than a animal?

Since when was an animal close to the worth of a human?

They have always been of equal worth. But some people (read: idiots) like to claim humans are somehow inherently worth more for some bullshit reason.
I value animal life and human life the same until they prove they are worth less. (eg: Dog attacking random people for no reason. Human hurting others for fun)

So if a truck was about to hit a dog and a human, you'd have trouble deciding which one to save?

So he literally explained his argument to you, and you put a completely redundant question to him? I can't help but GUUUUH at moments like these.

Don't be an idiot. My scenario is completely different because you know nothing about either one. If you save one or the other without knowing anything about the character, then they must have some inherent superiority when talking about species.

 

[Phoenixlight]

Why?

Because they've done something terrible and must be made to feel bad about what they've done.

 

[zehydra]

Why?

Because they've done something terrible and must be made to feel bad about what they've done.

and what if they already do?

 

[Phoenixlight]

and what if they already do?

They need to feel worse.

 

[zehydra]

and what if they already do?

They need to feel worse.

and what if they already do?

 

[Phoenixlight]

and what if they already do?

Then maybe they'll kill themselves? I don't know, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Just as long as they do it properly so that doctors don't need to waste their time trying to bring them back.

 

[zehydra]

and what if they already do?

Then maybe they'll kill themselves? I don't know, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Just as long as they do it properly so that doctors don't need to waste their time trying to bring them back.

you're sick. you know that? You're no better than he was.

 

[Phoenixlight]

you're sick. you know that? You're no better than he was.

Why? for trying to cleanse the world of evil? I'd rather not live in the same world as people who do things like that, they don't deserve to live.

 

[zehydra]

you're sick. you know that? You're no better than he was.

Why? for trying to cleanse the world of evil? I'd rather not live in the same world as people who do things like that, they don't deserve to live.

We cannot live in a world where people try to kill other people who commit what we consider "evil" even just once. Your approach, that is, to never forgive a sinner is extremely harsh, and very much paints yourself in almost a saintly light. What makes you so un-evil that you have the right to condemn a man to death?

 

[Phoenixlight]

We cannot live in a world where people try to kill other people who commit what we consider "evil" even just once. Your approach, that is, to never forgive a sinner is extremely harsh, and very much paints yourself in almost a saintly light. What makes you so un-evil that you have the right to condemn a man to death?

I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I don't take drugs, I don't swear, I don't litter, I'm a Vegetarian, I don't waste electricity, I encourage people to recycle, I follow no religion but believe in a greater eternal essence (no religious bias), I support wikileaks. I could go on but I believe that entitles me to be self righteous.

 

[zehydra]

We cannot live in a world where people try to kill other people who commit what we consider "evil" even just once. Your approach, that is, to never forgive a sinner is extremely harsh, and very much paints yourself in almost a saintly light. What makes you so un-evil that you have the right to condemn a man to death?

I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I don't take drugs, I don't swear, I don't litter, I'm a Vegetarian, I don't waste electricity, I encourage people to recycle, I follow no religion but believe in a greater eternal essence (no religious bias), I support wikileaks. I could go on but I believe that entitles me to be self righteous.

and what about those who believe that which you do is evil? Would you support the idea that they should be allowed to condemn you to death because they merely THINK you are evil? You do not KNOW that what you do is RIGHT, you merely suppose that it is, you sort of "guess" that it is.

My point is, is that if everybody believed that they, solely, were in the right, and that people who disagree with them are in the wrong, then everybody would be trying to condemn each other to death.