Yeah, i guess. I mean, it sounds like it's made by a bunch of bored construction workers who try to create some sort of melody using only their hammers and drills but it's still music in the way, say, Revolution 9 is music.
Well obviously intent factors inomega 616 said:You could have just described anything from the chatter of a waiting room to the cars passing on a motorway to the sound of typing in an office ...Pandalisk said:"Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence"
On topic. When I was at school we were taught about musical instruments, among which was not the decks or the computer! It takes absolutely fuck all skill to make dubstep, all it requires is money for the equipment and a taste similar to everybody else's (or a majority at least).
You could spend 1,000 hours perfecting the "song" then all you have to do at a live performance is press play.
I define anything as art (or in this case music) as something which takes skill to do, such as playing a guitar in time with everybody else in the band. Take art for example, I wouldn't consider a white canvass with different coloured horizontal stripes art 'cos any fucker can do that! I would call the Mona Lisa art 'cos that is a skillful thing.
The only exception I have to dubstep not being music is beardyman, who does something called live looping. He makes a sound, records it, loops it makes another sound, records it, loops it, layers it over the first sound, then repeats till he has a full song going.
That takes skill to do! This isn't live looping but it is harder to do.
That isn't music though, it's just noise ... if you wanted to flower it up and make it sound as best you as you can, you could call it ambient noise.Pandalisk said:Well obviously intent factors inomega 616 said:You could have just described anything from the chatter of a waiting room to the cars passing on a motorway to the sound of typing in an office ...Pandalisk said:"Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence"
On topic. When I was at school we were taught about musical instruments, among which was not the decks or the computer! It takes absolutely fuck all skill to make dubstep, all it requires is money for the equipment and a taste similar to everybody else's (or a majority at least).
You could spend 1,000 hours perfecting the "song" then all you have to do at a live performance is press play.
I define anything as art (or in this case music) as something which takes skill to do, such as playing a guitar in time with everybody else in the band. Take art for example, I wouldn't consider a white canvass with different coloured horizontal stripes art 'cos any fucker can do that! I would call the Mona Lisa art 'cos that is a skillful thing.
The only exception I have to dubstep not being music is beardyman, who does something called live looping. He makes a sound, records it, loops it makes another sound, records it, loops it, layers it over the first sound, then repeats till he has a full song going.
That takes skill to do! This isn't live looping but it is harder to do.
But on that note, people see music in things such as the hustle and bustle sounds in a city in rush hour. So yeah, i stick by what i quoted the clatter and rings of an office block has its own melody if you want to look at it like that.
Well actually if you classify everything as music, then everything would be music.omega 616 said:That isn't music though, it's just noise ... if you wanted to flower it up and make it sound as best you as you can, you could call it ambient noise.Pandalisk said:Well obviously intent factors inomega 616 said:You could have just described anything from the chatter of a waiting room to the cars passing on a motorway to the sound of typing in an office ...Pandalisk said:"Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence"
On topic. When I was at school we were taught about musical instruments, among which was not the decks or the computer! It takes absolutely fuck all skill to make dubstep, all it requires is money for the equipment and a taste similar to everybody else's (or a majority at least).
You could spend 1,000 hours perfecting the "song" then all you have to do at a live performance is press play.
I define anything as art (or in this case music) as something which takes skill to do, such as playing a guitar in time with everybody else in the band. Take art for example, I wouldn't consider a white canvass with different coloured horizontal stripes art 'cos any fucker can do that! I would call the Mona Lisa art 'cos that is a skillful thing.
The only exception I have to dubstep not being music is beardyman, who does something called live looping. He makes a sound, records it, loops it makes another sound, records it, loops it, layers it over the first sound, then repeats till he has a full song going.
That takes skill to do! This isn't live looping but it is harder to do.
But on that note, people see music in things such as the hustle and bustle sounds in a city in rush hour. So yeah, i stick by what i quoted the clatter and rings of an office block has its own melody if you want to look at it like that.
If you classify everything as music, nothing is music.
GoaThief said:I think it's because nustep (dislike the term brostep, it's not exactly accurate) has largely got big thanks to the internet and the USA's re-embracing of electronic music in general.
Of course it's music, you may not like it -I'm not a big fan of nustep- but it's certainly not anything else but music. It'd be more interesting to hear if people regard the following as music;
First of all, you are seriously underestimating the complexity of electronic music and how difficult it can be to produce. Sure anyone can make bad EDM by hitting random keys on a computer in the same way I can make a bad son on piano by hitting random keys, but there is a lot of skill required to write melodies, basslines, etc... on appropriate synths, arrange it competently and properly mix it to make something enjoyable. Take a look on this youtube channel ( http://www.youtube.com/user/dodgeandfuskitv ) to see what I mean.omega 616 said:You could have just described anything from the chatter of a waiting room to the cars passing on a motorway to the sound of typing in an office ...Pandalisk said:"Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence"
On topic. When I was at school we were taught about musical instruments, among which was not the decks or the computer! It takes absolutely fuck all skill to make dubstep, all it requires is money for the equipment and a taste similar to everybody else's (or a majority at least).
You could spend 1,000 hours perfecting the "song" then all you have to do at a live performance is press play.
I define anything as art (or in this case music) as something which takes skill to do, such as playing a guitar in time with everybody else in the band. Take art for example, I wouldn't consider a white canvass with different coloured horizontal stripes art 'cos any fucker can do that! I would call the Mona Lisa art 'cos that is a skillful thing.
The only exception I have to dubstep not being music is beardyman, who does something called live looping. He makes a sound, records it, loops it makes another sound, records it, loops it, layers it over the first sound, then repeats till he has a full song going.
That takes skill to do! This isn't live looping but it is harder to do.
Because "Scandinavian Progressive Post-Rock" is a very clearly defined name. The term "Liquid" actually makes sense when you listen to it.Pandalisk said:"Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence"
So yeah its music, question here should be is it good music?
I like Liquid Dubstep anyway, though how they name the different dubsteps is beyond me
Not really, remember this game?ubersyanyde said:First of all, you are seriously underestimating the complexity of electronic music and how difficult it can be to produce. Sure anyone can make bad EDM by hitting random keys on a computer in the same way I can make a bad son on piano by hitting random keys, but there is a lot of skill required to write melodies, basslines, etc... on appropriate synths, arrange it competently and properly mix it to make something enjoyable. Take a look on this youtube channel ( http://www.youtube.com/user/dodgeandfuskitv ) to see what I mean.
Secondly there is no rule that says a song has to be performed live to take any skill to make but just to prove that all EDM falls under your definition of skill, take a look at this video of someone playing electro 'live' just like someone might play a piano. Just because you don't understand something fully, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be taken seriously.