Poll: Elizabeth or Alyx Vance?
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Alyx is awesome. Elizabeth is complex. As cool as Alyx is to have palling around I prefer a dynamic that can be shared by two people who talk instead of one. Elizabeth for me.
I find Elizabeth as a more interesting character. I think Alyx was best up until that, but she was very much a simple female warrior character. I found Elizabeth to be a strong feminine character, without adopting numerous masculine traits to strengthen her.
Elizabeth.
I like Alyx, but I don't think she should be held in particularly high regard.
She's a likeable character with a personality, coherent motivations, a sense of humour, well written dialogue and good voice acting. And of course she's female without being ridiculously oversexualised for the sake of pandering.
Now, see, that shouldn't be an outstanding exception. That should be the bare fucking minimum.
The fact that Alyx Vance is hailed as a great character just goes to show how damn low the standards are and how far developer have yet to go in terms of character.
I like Alyx, but I don't think she should be held in particularly high regard.
She's a likeable character with a personality, coherent motivations, a sense of humour, well written dialogue and good voice acting. And of course she's female without being ridiculously oversexualised for the sake of pandering.
Now, see, that shouldn't be an outstanding exception. That should be the bare fucking minimum.
The fact that Alyx Vance is hailed as a great character just goes to show how damn low the standards are and how far developer have yet to go in terms of character.
Oh brother. I really had hoped it wouldn't come to this. Why do I get the feeling that this will turn into a pissing contest among feminists.
And on what grounds are you gonna campare them? Personality? How can you measure personality? With the amount of lines given to the character? Will we compare their fashion sense to decide which one is more slutty? OHHH I know lets see who can throw the medkits farthest because that is the quintessential role of a supporting character.
Seriously OP. Whar were you thinking?
And on what grounds are you gonna campare them? Personality? How can you measure personality? With the amount of lines given to the character? Will we compare their fashion sense to decide which one is more slutty? OHHH I know lets see who can throw the medkits farthest because that is the quintessential role of a supporting character.
Seriously OP. Whar were you thinking?
I was judging them on which I found to be the more compelling character, not which is the biggest badass or best example of a Strong Independent Female.Ultratwinkie said:
Although...
... given that by the end of the game Elizabeth is able to summon cyclones and warp time and space on a whim, I'm pretty sure she wins the badass stakes as well.
Elizabeth is a barely more than a kid and has had a sheltered life. I don't consider the fact that she is unable or unwilling to kill dozens of people to be a strike against her.
I found Elizabeth's character arc more interesting and, dare I say it, deep. Going from naiveté, optimism and a simple desire to escape and see the world, to a quest for the truth her own identity and eventual transcendence. Her arc is mirrored by the way her relationship with Booker develops. To begin with she wants to make him out as a heroic rescuer, and shrugs of his denials that he's anything of the kind. Then she realises he's almost as bad as he thinks he is. Over time she come to respect him and, eventually to simply understand him.
Alyx on the other hand is a simple and very static character. She doesn't really have a character arc. Although that may change given the events at the end of HL2Ep2, y'know, if they ever make another one before we all die of old age.
Lastly, I am aware you do not have a high opinion of Bioshock Infinite. Now kindly go and grind your axe in somebody else's face.
Elizabeth's story was more interesting, even if it was somewhat fairy tail (TBH, mostly reminded me of Rapunzel/Tangled). Hell, I'd say how it showed her development from that 'naive princess in the tower' to the later stages to be damn well awesome. I was impressed that she (her model) was wounded through the game, and wasn't just all static the whole game. I liked Alyx, but she seemed a little fangirlish on Freeman, she was useful and all, but yeah never really seemed to get the same level of emotion out of - less polygons I guess.
Elizabeth. And she's not just better than Alyx, she's better than all female characters in video games.
Elizabeth for me I dont particularly hold Alyx in high regard she wasnt bad but I found her very forgettable.
Ah dear. This is why I am unwilling to use that word. It always gets people's hackles up.Ultratwinkie said:
Well, like I just said, I'd say this...
... constitutes depth of character. At least enough to satisfy me. If you disagree, then so be it.
No, I guess it's not a true-to-life depiction of what spending one's youth in isolation would do to a person. Then again, that's not what it's trying to be.
Also, I'm not sure if she was kept in 100% solitary confinement the whole time.
...
Y'know, it's funny. Usually at this point I would be getting a bit annoyed with your tone. However, Bioshock Infinite was so damn brilliant that I don't feel my usual fanboyish impulse to defend it.
It's quite the glorious feeling. Almost zen.
Alyx wins for having better facial animations.
But its hard to compare the two. Elizabeth is a more developed character due to the way Bioshock Infinite has a more direct narrative, It hands you all the pieces of the story you have to just put them together.
Whilst half life takes a more laid back approach leaving a lot to the imagination so the only character development we get from Alyx is usually from the task at hand.
But its hard to compare the two. Elizabeth is a more developed character due to the way Bioshock Infinite has a more direct narrative, It hands you all the pieces of the story you have to just put them together.
Whilst half life takes a more laid back approach leaving a lot to the imagination so the only character development we get from Alyx is usually from the task at hand.
By that account neither would Harry Potter work very well as a character. For his entire childhood being told that he is worthless and having little to no friends, yet he has normal communication skills and healthy sense of self-worth. Suspension of belief, I suppose.Ultratwinkie said:
Until 5, Elizabeth has ventured into different Tears and probably talked to people. Songbird may not be much of a friend, but he still kept her sane and she loved him once. Besides, she had books. Books are not a perfect, but a passing substitute for learning about the world and human society and communication. Those novels talked to her.
I know that it's still not enough to explain Elizabeth's outgoing nature, but it's close.
I don't understand how you can say that Alyx is better than Elizabeth in the regard that she doesn't need a hero. It's Gordon who saved (or is in the process of saving) the world, it's Booker who has to stop the world from burning. Without the magical crowbar and his wielder, the Combine was going to eradicate the resistance sooner or later, and even a strong person like Alyx couldn't stop that.
Personally, I really like Alyx and I found her very refreshing and amiable, but Elizabeth has won my heart. She's resilient, has strong morals and in the end resembles more a God-like figure than a damsel in distress. Elizabeth has found the thin line between compassion and justice - not just for her, but for everyone - and is walking it.
It was her, who decided not to flee to Paris, but to kill Comstock. It was her, who killed Songbird, her childhood companion, with a gentle word. It was her who decided to kill her father and by extension possibly herself as well, in order to save others. Booker was like a leaf in the wind, blown by probabilites and fate to reach the end Elizabeth chose.
I understand if you feel that she is boring trope of a weak woman, but it's not everything that there is.
It was her, who decided not to flee to Paris, but to kill Comstock. It was her, who killed Songbird, her childhood companion, with a gentle word. It was her who decided to kill her father and by extension possibly herself as well, in order to save others. Booker was like a leaf in the wind, blown by probabilites and fate to reach the end Elizabeth chose.
I understand if you feel that she is boring trope of a weak woman, but it's not everything that there is.