Poll: Entropy: The End?

[ender214]

I'm pretty sure the sun would grow to a red giant and consume the earth before that.

 

[Anarchemitis]

Entropy is actually my main argument why Evolutionism is just as laughable as Christianity.

Yah, you are right. Let's go back to the days of old and sacrifice some animals to Zeus.

...Are you feeling fine?

Quite, because you're the one using an aside to derail a thread.

 

[Voicuboyy]

'till then we would be pretty advanced IF we survive that long, but seeing that humanity is getting dumber and fucks up a lot, probably not

 

[CuddlyCombine]

I'm normaly against this doomsday threads, but this is scientific to a degree (kelvin). Possibly, if the universe lives that long. But some scientists theorise that the universe expands and collapses in on itself indefinatly. So it could just be apart of a cycle.

Even if it is, our current timeline would probably end. Unless spacetime is unaffected (I'm no scientific expert, so feel free to lecture me).

 

[CuddlyCombine]

sO I see you picked up a science magazine and are now freaking out.
This is all proven by the fact the light from distant galaxies is turning into longer waves.
By the way, its also based around the idea of potential energy dilution. / edit

Haha, I wish. Freaking out would be silly, seeing as we've got a few years left, not to understate or anything. Anyway, no, found it in a physics journal at the library.

 

[RetiarySword]

I'm normaly against this doomsday threads, but this is scientific to a degree (kelvin). Possibly, if the universe lives that long. But some scientists theorise that the universe expands and collapses in on itself indefinatly. So it could just be apart of a cycle.

Even if it is, our current timeline would probably end. Unless spacetime is unaffected (I'm no scientific expert, so feel free to lecture me).

Well yea our timeline would end, to a degree. Time is effected by gravity, but I realy can't be arsed to go into it.

Doesn't realy matter though, We are talking like stupid amounts of time.

 

[Valiance]

You make it sound as if humanity, or other "ALEIN" races will have no effect on this, will not have awareness of it, will not have billions of years to progress towards stopping it, etc.

It's not like I have faith in the human race as a whole, but the ingenuity of certain outstanding members of it certainly has the possibility of taking care of this sort of thing.

 

[Joos]

You make it sound as if humanity, or other "ALEIN" races will have no effect on this, will not have awareness of it, will not have billions of years to progress towards stopping it, etc.

It's not like I have faith in the human race as a whole, but the ingenuity of certain outstanding members of it certainly has the possibility of taking care of this sort of thing.

You should read this:
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

 

[Valiance]

You make it sound as if humanity, or other "ALEIN" races will have no effect on this, will not have awareness of it, will not have billions of years to progress towards stopping it, etc.

It's not like I have faith in the human race as a whole, but the ingenuity of certain outstanding members of it certainly has the possibility of taking care of this sort of thing.

You should read this:
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

Asimov is fucking incredible. That's all I have to say.

 

[Arbitrary Cidin]

Absolutes are an imaginary concept, and nobody seems to understand this. That's why every paradox revolves around one. My point being that entropy isn't absolutely unavoidable; it can be avoided but we don't understand how yet.
This thread is now over. Goodbye.

 

[Kagetatsu]

Good grief. This (with a few honorable exceptions) is what you get when teachers tell pupils lies: that they're all special, and every opinion is valid.

Go and read about the second law of thermodynamics. It's on Wikipedia, you've got no excuse.

 

[balimuzz]

It wouldn't destroy the universe, but eventually, the universe would run out of energy, and entropy would cause all life to dissipate.

 

[Thunderhorse31]

Absolutes are an imaginary concept.

Is that statement always true? Absolutely so?

 

[RetiarySword]

I'm normaly against this doomsday threads, but this is scientific to a degree (kelvin). Possibly, if the universe lives that long. But some scientists theorise that the universe expands and collapses in on itself indefinatly. So it could just be apart of a cycle.

Even if it is, our current timeline would probably end. Unless spacetime is unaffected (I'm no scientific expert, so feel free to lecture me).

Well yea our timeline would end, to a degree. Time is effected by gravity, but I realy can't be arsed to go into it.

Doesn't realy matter though, We are talking like stupid amounts of time.

Time is just comparing events to the rotation of the earth around the sun.
There is no such thing, if nothing exists which could be 'compared' with anything else, then there is no time.

Weight is compared to the kilogram weight in France, weight also depends on gravity and is a force. Are you saying because man thought of it that doesn't exist?

 

[Maze1125]

No, I'm just putting light on the fact time cannot be proven.

Nothing can be proven.

The concept on time existing as a dimension however has a hell of a lot of evidence.

 

[short_name111]

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html?

(sorry its a bit long, you can just skip to the end if you dont have the patience to read it all)

 

[Maze1125]

No, I'm just putting light on the fact time cannot be proven.

Nothing can be proven.

The concept on time existing as a dimension however has a hell of a lot of evidence.

Ahh, your talking about the whole 10 dmension thingie,

No I'm not.
I'm talking about the 3 spacial and 1 temporal dimension, thingie.

of course theres evidence for it, the word dimension allows a pretty broad spectrum of possibilities.

Yes, the word "dimension" does all for a large number of possibilities but, in context, it only allows for a far reduced set of possibilities and those still have a very large amount of evidence for them.

 

[Maze1125]

I was also unaware that there was evidence to suggest that if everypoint of a persons movement through what is conceived as 'time' it would form a forth concievably 'spacial' dimension. The notion that a 'temporal dimension' as you call it could be conceived as a spacial dimension confuses me.

The entirety of Relativity is founded on the concept that time is a dimension extremely similar to space. If that concept is wrong, then so is Relativity.
Relativity has been tested repeatedly and found to be accurate.

 

[Maze1125]

I was also unaware that there was evidence to suggest that if everypoint of a persons movement through what is conceived as 'time' it would form a forth concievably 'spacial' dimension. The notion that a 'temporal dimension' as you call it could be conceived as a spacial dimension confuses me.

The entirety of Relativity is founded on the concept that time is a dimension extremely similar to space. If that concept is wrong, then so is Relativity.
Relativity has been tested repeatedly and found to be accurate.

I can accept that, have you got any links?

Here's my special [http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/courses/2008/part-b/b72c72-relativity/b72a-special-relativity-and-electromagnetism/material] and general [http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/courses/2008/part-c/c72b-general-relativity-i/material] relativity notes.

(So wait, haven't you just agreed with my original point on time just being a measurment of comparitives)

As far as I can tell, not in the same way that you meant it.

 

[Dys]

Hahaha, oh delicious irony, I've just been bouncing around a particularly untought entropy question I have to do for thermo. And yes, when there is no more 'free' energy we will all be long dead, I would expect every life form to be long dead by then, as we rely on the massive amounts of energy the sun provides us with.