Poll: Everything Exists.

[T.D.]

Not everything is possible if the laws of the universe act constantly. For instance I can imagine a large amount of mass without gravity, but no matter how large the the 4 dimensions are if the law of gravity remains constant its an impossible object.

OT: Everything does exist. Not everything is real.

I think therefore I am. I am therefore everything is.

Explanation. I know I exist because I can think. Thinking requires something to happen. Something=/Nothing ergo I exist. I might not be human, i might be only a thought, but I still exist as that thought. I know everything I sense exists because even if what I sense isn't true it still exists as an illusion that effects my mind. Something cannot be affected by nothing. This entire argument can be represented mathematically.

Nothing can never change or be anything but nothing without something.
0=0
Something can change
-II (boundary of "something" where I is infinity)
My thinking is something.
e.g. 1
Something cannot be changed by nothing unless it is to nothing itself.
1+0=1 1*0=0
I remain a changing something ergo somethings are effecting me.
1+1=2 1*3=3

Therefore everything I sense exists in some form or another.

 

[ACman]

Space is infinite, therefore everything you can think of is out their somewhere.

It like the infinate amount of monkeys typing on an infinate amount of keyboards will at some point get you a complete library of all the books ever written.

Do you agree with this?

Space isn't actually infinite. It's 40 billion light years across and contains 2^80 individual atomic particles.

And given that physical laws are the same everywhere it is likely that most areas conform to type whether it being galaxy, star or planet.

 

[kurokotetsu]

if you had infinite monkeys with infinite keyboards, they would all need to first read and memorise every work of fiction, as well as learn proper use of a keyboard, computer and the word processor of your choice. you'd also have to teach them proper grammar and syntax, as well as to read. given the commonality of grammatical and spelling mistakes by humans, this would be a near impossible task, as monkey childhood is too short to develop a brain close to ours, and reading a lot of texts, tweets and forum posts you can see that not every human can do that.

While it may be a joke post, the "idea" is that they don't have to. THe only need to imput random information. If you hit keys in a really random matter, in a moment a word will appear. The image is made to make an understandable aproach to a matehmatical theorem, the Infinite monkey theorem, that states that over a large enough amount o time, the proability of an unlikely event will aproach one (paraphrasing). The link to Wiki if you want it (the first direct prof can be said about any unlikely event) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem There are limitations, physical ones but the theorem is accurate.

 

[LilithSlave]

It's 40 billion light years across

That's the amount visible from earth. While almost certainly finite, it could possibly be, in actuality, several times bigger than that.

 

[Da Orky Man]

Space is not infinite. It's just faster than we are, a speedy little bugger.

 

[GamemasterAnthony]

Nope. To the best of our knowledge, there is not an infinity of matter in the universe, and it is all governed by the same physical laws. It is therefore somewhere between preposterously unlikely and impossible that there is a sentience out there that has dedicated its time and attention to creating an endless set of keyboards, with a mechanism or organism for putting in random information, for the sole purpose of recording the output.

Fun thought experiment if you don't bring reality into it though!

Imagine it, every video game you ever played has taken place somewhere in the universe.

Change "universe" to "multiverse" and you have the base premise for my fanfiction!

 

[Mr.Squishy]

Nope. To the best of our knowledge, there is not an infinity of matter in the universe, and it is all governed by the same physical laws. It is therefore somewhere between preposterously unlikely and impossible that there is a sentience out there that has dedicated its time and attention to creating an endless set of keyboards, with a mechanism or organism for putting in random information, for the sole purpose of recording the output.

Fun thought experiment if you don't bring reality into it though!

Imagine it, every video game you ever played has taken place somewhere in the universe.

OH MY GOD THERE'S A PLANET OUT THERE THAT IS BASED ON "BIG RIGS"??
"You're winner" indeed...

 

[Custard_Angel]

It like the infinate amount of monkeys typing on an infinate amount of keyboards will at some point get you a complete library of all the books ever written.

You can't create something infinite. Infinity just is, always has been and always will be. Creating infinity implies that something finite can expand beyond its own means. Which is ridiculous.

It's like unlocking a door with a key that is locked inside. It makes no physical sense.

Ahem.

Expanding the scope of this argument, no.

In the solar system there is a finite amount of matter. In the galaxy there is a finite amount of matter. In the observable universe there is a finite amount of matter.

No where in the universe will you find Dinopope riding a unicycle playing the trombone.

I guarantee it. The entire universe isn't big enough for this.

 

[LilithSlave]

Imagine it, every video game you ever played has taken place somewhere in the universemultiverse.

While that's a comforting thought. If truly every scenario exists, not only will ever place we like exist, but every possible scenario of suffering. That's an ethically disturbing thought. Not only that, but that is the ultimately most trivializing proposition to our existence ever. Much more so than the discovery that the laws of physics didn't revolve around making humans special. It's equally disturbing as it is wonderful. And certainly the biggest possible blow to the human ego ever.

I personally prefer wishful thinking. That the multiverse allows room for most of the things we like to exist, and enough to help escape the possibility of heat death or any destruction of our universe or even the entire multiverse. While being small enough that less heinous universes could exist, and we could be a little more special and actually unique in any form or sense, instead of a slight variation of almost infinite, almost identical universes out there.

This gives the possibility of meaningful multiversal exploration someday, should we ever gain the technology. And so that if we ever prolong our lives for billions of years, we can enjoy such exploration without worrying about it ending with an upcoming heat death.

 

[T.D.]

Please don't come back with "Well it's still a finite probability so it COULD happen!" The numbers we are talking about are so astronomically close to zero that it would never ever happen (no computer will accept those numbers as anything other than 0).

Also, space and time are not infinite, please refer the phenomenon known as the heat death of the universe. If both space and time were infinite, then thermodynamics would not work.

I just posted this but I'll point it out. Something=/Nothing. Yes it is TINY probability, but it still is a probability.

Agreed space isn't infinite, as that poses the question what is larger than infinity as the universe keeps expanding. However time itself might be infinite. Does time happen outside the universe? One would assume so as then the universe wouldn't be able to expand. So even if the universe didn't exist time probably would.

As for Heat Death. It is not a phenomenon it is a theory about the end of the universe like the big crunch. It basically states that the universe will eventually reach a state of equilibrium as all work becomes heat/temperature. It doesn't disprove a time to be infinite just that eventually time won't make things change.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

No where in the universe will you find Dinopope riding a unicycle playing the trombone.

Well damn it all, life just ain't worth living anymore.

OT: OP we don't know if space is infinite or not. If the universe is finite in space your argument doesn't hold up. And even if the universe is infinite, as Custard Angel points out there is still a finite amount of matter in said universe with which to create these possibilities.

 

[Grogman]

Assuming that there is a separate universe for every single outcome, then yes, everything exists, just not in one universe

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

According to Metaphysics if it exists in ones mind then yes it exists.
And since practically anything can exist in your head I would have to say, yes. Anything is possible.

 

[standokan]

No though Monkeyboards would be an awesome addition to this crappy reality.

I kinda feel bad for the OP getting overkilled but hey look on the bright side, SKYRIM.

 

[orangeban]

You claim that because the universe is infinite (which isn't true but we'll role with it anyway) then everything must exist. I'd argue that this is false. Everything that exists in this universe must obey the laws of physics, laws that are (pretty much) universal. Anything that broke the laws of physics could not exist.

Also, the infinite amount of monkeys/typewriters/ect. would not necesarrily lead to all books ever written. Because of the way probability works, you would probably get all books, but not necesarrily. I could flip a coin infinite times, it still might not come up heads. Same goes with your universe thing (which as I said is wrong, but anyway).

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

Since we simply don't know, I suppose that means it is. We can't disprove what we don't yet understand.

 

[tzimize]

Space is infinite, therefore everything you can think of is out their somewhere.

It like the infinate amount of monkeys typing on an infinate amount of keyboards will at some point get you a complete library of all the books ever written.

Do you agree with this?

Is space infinite? Infinity is quite big you know. Which reminds me of THIS fantastic video:


I'm not sure space is infinite, it could be we just havent seen the end of it yet. And no. I dont think anything is possible. A lot of stuff is, sure. But anything? No. The universe is built around rules. Anything violating those rules is not possible for example.

 

[kurokotetsu]

Please don't come back with "Well it's still a finite probability so it COULD happen!" The numbers we are talking about are so astronomically close to zero that it would never ever happen (no computer will accept those numbers as anything other than 0).

Also, space and time are not infinite, please refer the phenomenon known as the heat death of the universe. If both space and time were infinite, then thermodynamics would not work.

I just posted this but I'll point it out. Something=/Nothing. Yes it is TINY probability, but it still is a probability.

Agreed space isn't infinite, as that poses the question what is larger than infinity as the universe keeps expanding. However time itself might be infinite. Does time happen outside the universe? One would assume so as then the universe wouldn't be able to expand. So even if the universe didn't exist time probably would.

And, while mathematically, there are infninities larger than others. WHole numbers are less than irrational numbers. Physically you could say that even an infnite number of partciles can't be in all the posible places at one given time, as there are more possible "distances" than there are aprticles 8even when both are infinite). And no, one doesn't asume that time exists outside of the universe, it is one dimension of it and it started with the unverse. All dimensions expand with the universe, even time.

@T.D.: Thermodynamics is nowdays couple usually with statistical mechanics, which can perfectly accept infnite sapce and time (a matter of fact, some of the results of the discipline, such as spontaneuos reversal of enthropy need amounts of time so large it can be considered "Infnite" for pratical terms) as it is pased on probabilities and statistics, which can acomadate infinetly large set in the theory.

Also, the infinite amount of monkeys/typewriters/ect. would not necesarrily lead to all books ever written. Because of the way probability works, you would probably get all books, but not necesarrily. I could flip a coin infinite times, it still might not come up heads. Same goes with your universe thing (which as I said is wrong, but anyway).

You are confusint the Gamblers fallacy with the las of large numbers. If the events are large enough, you can garantee that the result will aproach the expected outcome (if you flip infenetly the coin, it will come head almost half the time). The gambler's fallacy is thinking that such "correction" can happen over small numbers ("I've flipped the coin twenty time and it was tails, ergo next has to be heads"). Over infinte time, the expected result will happen.