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bad rider

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ILPPENDANT's version, of my OP (thankyou for the input):
The other day there was a thread on the "If a tree falls in the wood" question which led me to start thinking about how much we as a species assume.

Every day you leave for work or school, or just go out, and you expect everything at home to be the same as you left it; you assume that where you're going is the same as yesterday. We make these assumptions because otherwise we would be pretty screwed. Can you imagine our predecessors chasing after an antelope, only to see run behind a tree and become completely at a loss as to where it went? It makes sense that we as a species would have adapted to be more viable at finding things that leave our senses, so even if we can't see it we believe it exists beyond our vision.

Now, even young animals - wolves, squirrels etc. - show this; it's not unique to humans so how does this have anything to do with beliefs? Well, if we couple this with our greater self awareness, (I can in no way prove this) we could suddenly find ourselves in a position where when we reflect on abstract ideas they get combined with the understanding that things happen beyond our perceptions. These ideas could mesh together to allow us to accept the concept of god.

To simplify: we assume things happen outside our immediate perception each day, couple that with our ability to think abstractly, we reflect on this and suddenly we begin seeing daily events playing out in a way that suggests they can be influenced by an exterior power.

Now, you may think that's well and good, but animals such as apes and dolphins show this and (from what we know of them) they don't believe in god. However, perhaps it's a consequence of greater self awareness and the belief that things happen beyond our control. So while initially we may think back and link yesterday's breakfast with an idea that everything sort of happened on its own, we may begin to introduce an idea that someone has influenced that and perhaps we start connecting dots. This allows us to function in everyday life without fears and worries because we believe an omnipotent being is helping us through the day, which will allow us to go and face threats and dangers with courage. We believe we could overcome an obstacle because we are being helped, thus allowing us to do bigger and better things (build houses, get to more fertile land etc.) meaning greater chances of survival. So is this thanks to evolution?

The other day there was a thread on the "If a tree falls in the wood" question which leads me to start thinking about how much we as a species assume.
Everyday you leave for work or school or just go out and you expect -at home- everything is the same as you left it, you assume that where you?re going is the same as yesterday. We make these assumptions because otherwise we would be pretty screwed. Can you imagine our predecessors chasing after an antelope, only to have it run behind a tree and they then become completely at a loss as to where it went? So in any case we as a species have adapted to be more viable at finding things that leave our senses, so if we can't see it we believe it exists beyond our vision. Fair enough, so even young animals show this from wolves to squirrels it's not unique, so how does this have anything to do with beliefs? Well, if we couple this with our greater self awareness, (I can in no way prove this) we could suddenly find ourselves in a position where we reflect on ideas and they get incorporated with this sense that things happen beyond our perceptions. So these idea's could mesh together to allow us to accept the concept of god.

So to simplify this, we assume things happen out of our perceptions everyday, couple that with the notion that we reflect on this and suddenly we begin seeing daily events playing out which can be influenced by an exterior power.
Now okay, that's fine you may think to yourself, but animals such as ape's and dolphins show this, and (from what we know of them) they don't believe in god. However perhaps it's a consequence greater self awareness and the belief that things happen beyond our control. So while initially may think back and link yesterday's breakfast with an idea that they everything sort of happened, you may begin to include an idea that someone has influenced that and perhaps we start connecting dots. This allows us to function in everyday life without fears and worries because we believe an omnipotent being is helping us through the day, this will allow us to go and face threats and dangers with courage that we could overcome the obstacle because we are being helped. Thus allowing us to do bigger and better things (build houses, get to more fertile land etc) meaning greater chances of survival. So is this thanks to evolution?

I hope this is clearer, but I'm not great on my grammar.
 

TwistedEllipses

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We constantly make assumptions because otherwise we would wind up in a situation where not knowing what is real we would have to constantly check. A great example is in one of the hitchiker's guide to the galaxy trilogy of 4 books that has the man who controls the universe not believing in anything that is outside the room he is in, even if it has just been in there with him...
 

Kirra

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I actually never assume anything unless i have some proof that the thing i assume will happen or exists.

Also when i come home nothing is like i left it, i live with 3 roommates.
 

ygetoff

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The idea is a bit hard to get to (you have to drill through layers of bad grammar) but I think it's saying that the belief in a God or Gods is a product of evolution? I'm not sure.
 

Agayek

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carnkhan4 said:
We constantly make assumptions because otherwise we would wind up in a situation where not knowing what is real we would have to constantly check. A great example is in one of the hitchiker's guide to the galaxy trilogy of 4 books that has the man who controls the universe not believing in anything that is outside the room he is in, even if it has just been in there with him...
The Hitchhiker trilogy had 5 books...

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Life, the Universe and Everything
So Long and Thanks for All the Fish
Mostly Harmless
 

bad rider

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ygetoff said:
The idea is a bit hard to get to (you have to drill through layers of bad grammar) but I think it's saying that the belief in a God or Gods is a product of evolution? I'm not sure.
Sorry I'll rehash it in a bit, I didn't read through :(
 

CIA

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I can't really understand what it is you say. People put assumptions on top of each other that eventually form belief? Maybe?
 

ygetoff

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bad rider said:
ygetoff said:
The idea is a bit hard to get to (you have to drill through layers of bad grammar) but I think it's saying that the belief in a God or Gods is a product of evolution? I'm not sure.
Sorry I'll rehash it in a bit, I didn't read through :(
After reading, I think that what you're saying is pretty true. Belief in a supreme being is one that's been around for a long time. Given the level of self-awareness that we humans have, it's not surprising that pretty much all we do is wonder what we are here for.
 

Ziphilt

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I try to make as few assumptions as I can, but I have to make some for life to be convenient: I assume that I exist, I assume that you people exist, I assume that my actions have real consequences, and I assume that I can trust at least a few people. If I didn't assume those things, I would get nowhere. I am interested in what you might be arguing, and I think I agree with you (from what it appears that you mean). Please do try to rephrase those vague sentences.
 

bad rider

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CIA said:
I can't really understand what it is you say. People put assumptions on top of each other that eventually form belief? Maybe?
What I'm pitching is the sense of, we are forced to believe things happen outside of our senses which is what we evolved to do. We show self awareness. So evoloution makes us able to accept god, and then we fill in the blanks. So we evolved to believe in god. I hope that's simpler I think I waffled too much in the OP.
 

Spacelord

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From what I've read from OP, it sounds like an interesting point of internet debate. However, I couldn't read a lot of it 'cause it's fucking incomprehensible due to all the spelling and grammatical mistakes. Please rewrite, and then I'll be glad to jump into the fray.
 

bad rider

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Spacelord said:
From what I've read from OP, it sounds like an interesting point of internet debate. However, I couldn't read a lot of it 'cause it's fucking incomprehensible due to all the spelling and grammatical mistakes. Please rewrite, and then I'll be glad to jump into the fray.
Oh come on, there weren't any spelling mistakes (according microsoft word) gramatical ones yes.
 

Banana Phone

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You don't need to put apostrophes when you make a word plural.

Anyways, how would we know for sure if apes and dolphins believe in God or not? We don't understand their language, so how could we find out?
 

CIA

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bad rider said:
CIA said:
I can't really understand what it is you say. People put assumptions on top of each other that eventually form belief? Maybe?
What I'm pitching is the sense of, we are forced to believe things happen outside of our senses which is what we evolved to do. We show self awareness. So evoloution makes us able to accept god, and then we fill in the blanks. So we evolved to believe in god. I hope that's simpler I think I waffled too much in the OP.
Oh.

I think we're just designed to think as a mob. That's where religion comes from.
 

Spacelord

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bad rider said:
Oh come on, there weren't any spelling mistakes (according microsoft word) gramatical ones yes.
According to Microsoft Word. No spelling mistakes, only gramMatical ones. Right, I see.

Seriously, though: you got something going here, but stuff like that just disinterests me enormously. The moment I see 'netspeak' like that, I immediately assume the poster's IQ is 20 points lower. Which is a shame, 'cause that's an interesting theory you might have there, mate.
 

oktalist

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Yeah humans' predisposition to religion may well be a side-effect of psychological traits which we have evolved. But you could say that about anything.
 

UsefulPlayer 1

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hmm?

Saying that humans have evolved beliefs in god or an exterior power as a way to get through life?

Eh....I don't like to think of God as a clutch to lean on when times get hard, though I do pray more when I'm stressed....

But linking self-awareness and the belief in a higher power does sound intriguing...

In any case, I think Rorschach puts it best when he says what sense we make of the world comes from staring at the darkness too long.
 

Kpt._Rob

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Richard Dawkins devotes a significant portion of The God Delusion to that very theory, and some other theories of "god" as an evolutionary bi-product. Personally speaking, I find it quite compelling.
 

Inverse Skies

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Everyone makes assumptions as they fill in the mental blanks of our minds. We're not sure exactly what is happening so we fill in with the best scenario we come up with. It's a form of logic, not always the best form but it is logic. It's saying, if this happened in this way then that must happen in that way. I would think a lot of animals would do it to a similar extent, maybe not in the way we make assumptions about emotions but more the abstract situations they find themselves in.