I can't really comment as I own a car, but have no insurance. Haha, It's not that I can't afford it, I just can't be bothered getting insurance.
Lol I agree people own them just becaue, though I do believe trucks/suvs should not be legislated out of ownership for the heck of it. I mean a Escalade nowdays emits less than my 10 year old mistsubishi. But thats a political view and i'll quit derailing this thread more loltraukanshaku said:I apologize, I should have added qualifying statements. For work purposes or if you actually have something you need to tow or haul, then that's okay.sneakypenguin said:
But most of the time, in Suburbia, USA, when I see an SUV it's got nothing in the back and a single male driver who just got a giant vehicle to compensate for something else. And in hillbilly-land like where my folks live, the rednecks don't use their trucks for anything but mudding in each other's lawns. Sigh. That's what gets me.
Oh those are some strongly worded opinions, one of which I agree with, one is your entitled opinion and the other I'm indifferent to.RAKtheUndead said:European cars have typically have better suspensions and transmissions than American cars during most of their history. As a result, most of our cars have engine sizes not exceeding 2.5L, because the power can be transmitted onto the road more efficiently.sneakypenguin said:Geez kinda sureal to hear 1.6L a "big" car. I think my lawnmower is almost that big. I drive a "little" 3.0L V6.coxafloppin said:Dude 1.6 is kinda big for a first car,
ur better of with a 1.0 polo or lupo. 1.2 clio, etc etc
We also use more diesel cars (although I can't criticise the Americans for not using them over there - I wouldn't use your derv in a lorry, let alone a car, and your petrol is low-octane and rubbish as well), which provide the necessary torque for pulling trailers and caravans.
I don't think that the Escalade should be legislated out of existence for its emissions standard, or its poor fuel economy; it should be legislated out of existence because it's a vulgar piece of machinery, a "footballer's car", if you will.sneakypenguin said:I mean a Escalade nowdays emits less than my 10 year old mistsubishi.
yea but when your 17, hell a 0.7 litre smart car is still gonna be hell to insure.sneakypenguin said:Geez kinda sureal to hear 1.6L a "big" car. I think my lawnmower is almost that big. I drive a "little" 3.0L V6.coxafloppin said:Dude 1.6 is kinda big for a first car,
ur better of with a 1.0 polo or lupo. 1.2 clio, etc etc
I never really understood why women get charged so much less. If i'm not mistaken the have achieved the same accident rates as males. Though I shouldn't complain I pay 35 bucks a month.
Scared? Of what? As long as your careful and attentive to your surroundings the chances of you being in a serious accident are seriously reduced. Unless you're scared of actually moving the thing in which case just ask for lifts from friends etc.gof22 said:It seems choosing not to drive has many money saving advantages. Plus I am scared to death of driving as well.
Moving the thing is what scares me. I dread it. I know once I start feeling calm I will get into an accident. Plus I trust no others drivers on the road.Insomniac Gamer said:Scared? Of what? As long as your careful and attentive to your surroundings the chances of you being in a serious accident are seriously reduced. Unless you're scared of actually moving the thing in which case just ask for lifts from friends etc.gof22 said:It seems choosing not to drive has many money saving advantages. Plus I am scared to death of driving as well.
In all fairness, just look at the statistics (having said that, I've been googling for the last 5 minutes, but I can't find the source >.> Believe me or not, whatever). A person is most likely to crash within their first year of driving, and there are more motoring-related crimes (DUI, collision, speeding, illegal mods etc.) committed by males.Insomniac Gamer said:Ok I did the same details on the same car except made it so that it was a female 17 year old. It went from £4,392.28 as a guy to £1,601 as a female. Same car, Peugeot 106 1.6L 1996. I should form a complaints group about sexual discrimination on car insurance...
You consider a 1.6 to be a "low power car"... I'm 18, I drive a Vauxhall Corsa 1L. Yup, that's right, it's powered by a freakin hampster. Some dumb tart waved me out in front of her, then as I was pulling forward she tried to drive around me. We agreed to pay for our own damages (for me it was about 15 seconds melting a plastic clip from the bumper back onto the chassis), then 9 months later I get a nice letter from my insurance saying "aren't we wonderful to help you out like this and pay that nice lady the £1k that you owe her for driving into her... Oh, and by the way, can you pay £700 (for a car that I paid £800 for more than a year ago) to stay legal?"Insomniac Gamer said:a low power car... A Peugeot 106 1.6L 1996. ... £4,392.28.
Fixed. I live in the UK after all.RAKtheUndead said:87 AKI octane petrol, which I believe is their standard grade, is terrible compared to the 91 AKI (95 RON) petrol which is used as the standard grade in Europe. Their premium grades are roughly equivalent to our standard grades.Insomniac Gamer said:About the petrol well...I've never really had the chance to directly compare the difference between American and UK petrol so I'm not in a position to say.
The diesel that Americans use is apparently more full of sulphur than European diesel and has a lower cetane number to boot; it's not terribly well-refined.
Yeah, diesel sucks here, but the US is moving to ULSD as well. Most of the stuff I see for sale is ULSD, and it will all be by next year. The problem with diesel here, besides quality, is that it's usually more expensive than gas. As such, not many people are willing to buy a diesel-powered sedan.RAKtheUndead said:87 AKI octane petrol, which I believe is your standard grade, is terrible compared to the 91 AKI (95 RON) petrol which is used as the standard grade in Europe. Your premium grades are roughly equivalent to our standard grades.Insomniac Gamer said:About the petrol well...I've never really had the chance to directly compare the difference between American and UK petrol so I'm not in a position to say.
The diesel that Americans use is apparently more full of sulphur than European diesel and has a lower cetane number to boot; it's not terribly well-refined.
Yeah we do generally have a more "cushy" car, though this has changed lately. Our roads just don't require handling as most are straight and wide open. I would love to use diesel but CA and the greenies kinda hate those things so we have only what VW brings us, but I love out Dodge diesel truck 21 MPG and freaking 600 LBS of torque.RAKtheUndead said:European cars have typically have better suspensions and transmissions than American cars during most of their history. As a result, most of our cars have engine sizes not exceeding 2.5L, because the power can be transmitted onto the road more efficiently.sneakypenguin said:Geez kinda sureal to hear 1.6L a "big" car. I think my lawnmower is almost that big. I drive a "little" 3.0L V6.coxafloppin said:Dude 1.6 is kinda big for a first car,
ur better of with a 1.0 polo or lupo. 1.2 clio, etc etc
We also use more diesel cars (although I can't criticise the Americans for not using them over there - I wouldn't use your derv in a lorry, let alone a car, and your petrol is low-octane and rubbish as well), which provide the necessary torque for pulling trailers and caravans.