Poll: Fanfiction writing and reading

Terminate421

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90% of it is shit.

10% is good.

that 10% never usually has one of the main characters of the source material as a character.
 

Arella18

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I've written a couple fanfics...that aren't really good but I've pretty much given it up...I usually just put my original characters in the universe...so I figure it'd be better to write my own characters.
 

oppp7

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I read some of the funnier ones from TVTropes. Anyone know any other good comedies (preferably Redwall)?
 

Chasing-The-Light

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I'm a fanfiction writer. I've been writing on there for 6-7 years now and have 51 stories, I believe. I write mostly for Yu Yu Hakusho (which was back when I first started out, and majorly suck...). Hetalia: Axis Powers, and Death Note.

I still write fanfiction and no matter what anyone thinks, I find it fun, and a nice exercise of writing ability to be able to take someone else's characters and use them as you will -and if you can do it well enough, convince people that it might even be canon.
 

ssgt splatter

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I read it every now and then. I'm reading Star Wars The Clone Wars fanfiction right now and there are a few of them that are pretty good. I would like to write one someday but I lack the true patience and talent to write a coherant story from start to finish.
 

LordFisheh

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I find most ranges from mediocre to stab-my-eyes-out terrible, especially all the fics that exist to go on a Romantic Plot Tumour ride with the writer's favourite pairing. Some, however, can be absolutely fantastic; there's a certain Mass effect one that fleshes out Garrus' time between the two games in a way that really adds to the overall story of them, even if it isn't canon.

Generally though, I don't really understand why fanfic writers take existing canon characters... to me it just doesn't seem to fit, writing someone else's character. Maybe it's just because it's so rarely pulled off just right. Personally when I write fanfic, it's simply because I love the world that someone else has created and would like to shamelessly pilfer it to tell my own story in.
 
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I've thought about writing some fanfic for a while now, but haven't gotten around to it. My ideas are there but aren't developed enough yet and I don't like doing things, particularly such as this, in half-measures.

Having read a little only, I'm not an authority by any stretch, but what I have read gives what I imagine is the same impression most people would get from fanfic, in that it is quite a mixed bag. As it's fans usually exploring a particular idea the variables that ultimately reflect the quality of their writing are many.

First, do they try to stay true to voice and characters of the original author/creator, or do they blaze their own trail? Both are challenging and have great pitfalls. When trying to stay true, it is very hard for a fan to capture the tone and style well, let alone match the writing quality of a paid author, particularly when they are the original visionary. When carving their own path, it's easy to fall short also because it either deviates too far from the original lore/canon and becomes unbelievable or is simply not a good direction. Because there's no financial risk/incentive or backup editing/quality control fans just write and may not give it any polish.

Further to the writer's voice, there is their innate creativity and writing ability, combined with the ability to write something well paced, engaging with vivid imagery and good use of language. The most common failing in this regard is that fan's write what they want to write, what they want to see happen. A good piece of writing however is not what the writer wants to write but what they want the audience to read. There is a crucial distinction between the two. As with film-making, the foremost thought in the director or writer's minds must be what the audience will see and take from the work, what emotions and feelings will they experience, what imagery will they see. The writing has to evoke the thoughts/emotions in the audience, not simply state what happens. F.ex:

"Suddenly the door opened, revealing a dark room beyond."
"The door opened with a frightening suddenness and stopped just as suddenly with a loud bang that reverberated through the cavernous room beyond which was dark, chill and eerie".

The first sentence is what the writer imagines. The second however paints a picture for the reader, engaging two of their senses and adding in the emotions of the character.

Lastly, ideas. Some are great, irrespective of whether they stick to the canon or not. Some in fact are great because they do not. Some however are frankly silly and uninteresting even as a concept and make for uninteresting reading, even if well written.

Combine all of the above and you find the mixed bag I initially described. YOu can find great writers with dumb ideas, rubbish writers with great ideas, average writers with good ideas but who cannot capture the essence of the world/characters, great writers with great ideas but who fail to capture the audience, etc.

A while ago, I read a He-Man fanfic (more than one, truth be told but one in particular), based on the 80s cartoons I grew up with. It explored the idea that Teela, a main "goodie" in the show discovered He-Man's true identity, that the greatest hero was in fact the alter ego of the boy she'd always considered a coward. It explored her conflicts with trying to resolve the revelation in her mind, the "unspoken", hinted at sexual tension, her own origins and destiny, her place in the "Masters" and more. It was a break from the canon but stuck close to the original characters (ie. motives were believable), well written but lacked proper pace and had obvious issues. Some bits were great and believable, others were not. A better writer would have fixed those bits.
 

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From what I've seen, the vast majority of it is terrible, awful, baaaaadly written stuff. Not just like "oh 90% of everything sucks" but "98% of fanfiction is written at a 4th grade level"...probably because a lot of fanfiction actually is written by 4th graders.

And yes, I have had people recommend me some "good" fanfiction, still disliked it. Was very amateur, unimpressive stuff. I've seen better things written in highschool poetry contests. But what can you expect? A lot of it is based on things which weren't that well-written to begin with. Naruto might be entertaining, but it's not exactly the most compelling thing written, even compared to other animes.

A good writer would just come up with his own story to tell. I don't care about whoever you're shipping, it's meaningless. There has yet to be a truly great author that just went back and wrote "The Great Gatsby 2" where Daisy and Nick hook up. Maybe I should talk about my Kissinger/Popeye fanfic.

Oh, and a lot of it is porn. Can't ignore that.
I debated with myself on whether or not to reply to this post. I'm a non-confrontational sort and tend to just ignore any and everything that I may object to. But your whole line of reasoning seems rather flawed to me. Are you seriously suggesting that fan fiction, the absolute bottom rung of the writing community, is amateurish? Well that's quite the radical thought, isn't it? I mean, Amateur writing being amateurish? Never would've guessed that myself.

Do not misunderstand me. You bring up perfectly legitimate points. There is no quality control. Although if there actually were a section of fan fiction literally written by 4th graders, I would be there all day handing out some actual reviews. Fan fiction is where many people start their writing careers and where exponentially more end it. No one learned how to write well over night. This is a craft that needs to be honed over time for many. And that is the purpose of fan fiction. A sand box, a practice arena, where some of the work is done for them so that they can focus on improving some aspects and not have the whole work fall completely flat because the amateur author is still an amateur.

I love fan fiction. As a result of that, I've likely read many more terrible things than you can conceive of. A lot of it is fanwank. My personal record for spotting and aborting a fic because of a blatant Mary Sue is 3 words. But there's still a purpose here. It takes all kinds and many aren't there to become great authors. The best example I can think of is an old man I met online who had his story to tell. He had an 8th grade education because he had to drop out of school to help support his family after his father died. He absolutely brutalized the English Language. He'd just forgotten everything in the last 50 years. But he had ideas, and he had a story to tell. If he'd tried to tell that story as an original concept, no one in their right mind would have read it. But he didn't; he wrote a fan fic. And because of that and people telling him what was wrong, he has dramatically improved his grasp of the written word. I don't see that as a waste of time.

Why should it matter exactly where inspiration comes from? Could historical re-imaginings not be termed fan fiction? If that is taken as true, then one of your points is entirely refuted by at least one man: Herman Melville. Moby Dick was based entirely off the story of the sinking of the Essex and the tales Whaling in general. Hmmm, I wonder if that had anything to do with why it wasn't well received in its time? In fact, here's his quote on the subject:

The more I dive into this matter of whaling, and push my researches up to the very spring-head of it, so much the more am I impressed with its great honorableness and antiquity; and especially when I find so many great demi-gods and heroes, prophets of all sorts, who one way or other have shed distinction upon it, I am transported with the reflection that I myself belong, though but subordinately, to so emblazoned a fraternity."

- Herman Melville, on the writing of fan fiction


We both know there's bad fan fiction. Probably more than the 90% cut off of Sturgeon's law, depending on how high your standards are. But I believe that fan fiction as a concept and institution is well worthwhile.

I'm sorry for the walls o' text. Whether you meant to or not, you came off to me as snide and derogatory. Hence my decision to risk *le gasp* actually talking to someone instead of forum lurking as usual.
 
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LordFisheh said:
Generally though, I don't really understand why fanfic writers take existing canon characters... to me it just doesn't seem to fit, writing someone else's character. Maybe it's just because it's so rarely pulled off just right. Personally when I write fanfic, it's simply because I love the world that someone else has created and would like to shamelessly pilfer it to tell my own story in.
For someone who suggests they don't understand the why, you nailed it in one ;-) It's precisely that the fan loved the characters and/or the world (or that either provide a perfect setting for the fan to tell their story) that they want to add to or reimagine it. What if character x didn't really die? What if y fell in love with z instead of with b? What if a character remarkably similar in appearance and personality to the fan writing the fanfic was part of that world? What if everything was the same except for one thing?

There is a place for fanfic, as an easy way for fans to try their own hand at creative writing and storytelling without the need for character creation or development, world building or other such things crucial to an original work. The writer can develop their skills reasonably risk-free and have fun doing it.

My idea is a continuation of a wonderful book series I've read (and since re-read once). I'd love to explore what happens next and know the author will never tell that tale as the series did have a natural end (and not an unreasonable one either). I don't think I could do the story justice though I'm confident I could write the characters well enough.
 

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I riff badfics. >:3

Optiluiz said:
I'm against the whole concept of fan-fiction, and I think the authors that waste their time on it should concentrate on original works. That having been said, I HAVE read some pretty good fanfics, some even better than the original work.
I have to wonder about this attitude. Is Timothy Zahn not a fan of Star Wars?
 
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evilneko said:
I have to wonder about this attitude. Is Timothy Zahn not a fan of Star Wars?
While I agree with the point you're making, the way you make it is unreasonable. Zahn is a professional novelist with an agent and editor, and he writes canon for SW: Extended Universe, not "fanfic". Comparing him to a fanfic writer is to do both an injustice and to miss the point of fan fiction. It is accepted for what it is because it is written by a fan and non-professional.
 

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I used to read and write a lot of fan fiction (mainly Life on Mars and Doctor Who) but I've sort of got out of touch with it.
Writing fan fics are a big time commitment and it was something I found I lacked the time to do.
I believe that fan fics are a great way to hone writing skills and test out stories and senarios using charecters that are already there for the using.

Some of it's a bit rubbish but it's kind of cathartic in both the reading and the writing of some kinds of silliness.

(I reserve the right of 'no comment' about slash fiction though).
 

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I read some. At this point mostly MLP. The rule for fanfiction in general is that most of it is absolutely awful, but occasionally you find something that doesn't screw with the canon too much and is genuinely well-written and captures perfectly the material it's based on. Second Impressions is one of the better ones I've ever read, for MLP or otherwise.
 

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I've never really written/read any fanfiction but the idea doesn't scare me either. Out of curiosity and since you mentioned Code Geass, any fanfic where Kallen takes center stage worth a read? or for somebody that likes mecha, yuri, and action in that order what would you recommend?
You'd have to sort through the collections yourself with the filtering system.

I might occasionally search for Lelouch/Kallen in particular but I typically use the main character as a jumping off point and go from there

Also I'm noit a big fan of yuri, so again, my opinion means little here.
 

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KingsGambit said:
evilneko said:
I have to wonder about this attitude. Is Timothy Zahn not a fan of Star Wars?
While I agree with the point you're making, the way you make it is unreasonable. Zahn is a professional novelist with an agent and editor, and he writes canon for SW: Extended Universe, not "fanfic". Comparing him to a fanfic writer is to do both an injustice and to miss the point of fan fiction. It is accepted for what it is because it is written by a fan and non-professional.
Looking WAY back and if you do your research just write, I believe Zahn actaully started off as a Star Wars fanfic junkie who wrote so well that he was allowed to write canon.

This is a beautiful example of using fanfiction as a jumping off point for a writing career.
 

Mischa87

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I don't read, or write it, I prefer original pieces. For one,writing fanfiction is lazy, unoriginal, and everyone I've personally known into either reading, or writing it, are sketchy as all get-out. I understand people are passionate about something, that's fine, but when you're obsessive enough about it to butcher, pervert, and otherwise deform the original IP...

Pretty much every piece I've read (Some friends of mine get me to proofread some of their work from time to time) Is not only a bastardization of the original IP, but of the English language as well.

Writing is supposed to be a form of self-expression, it's an art, express yourself, not some poorly conceived idea based on another IP, or what you wanna do in bed with an Oblivion character.

TLDR; Fanfiction is like taking an original work, taking a piece of crap, using tracing paper on the original, drawing dicks or tits all over it, and calling it your own work, and from what I've personally witnessed, anyone who does this, is far far far too obsessive.
 

Scow2

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The Half-Life: Full Life Consequences series is the greatest piece of literature to grace the face of the Earth, surpassing even the source material. If it weren't for fanfic, such a masterpiece would never have come into being.

... Surprisingly, I'm being semi-serious. I've not found any story as readable as those four pieces of Squirrelking's work. Heck, he's better with literature than Picasso, Rembrandt, and Michelangelo were with the visual arts.

Captcha: Pringle Protelyz
Sounds like some battlecry. Perhaps Corporate warfare has become more literal?

EDIT: On a higher-class note, the Tiberium Wars fanfic surpassed the source material, and completely humiliated the official novelization.
 

Ghengis John

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Fanfic_warper said:
OK I know that there's got to be at least one other fanfiction writer or reader on this site so here's the question: What fanfiction community do you read or write for?
I never read fanfiction. Or perhaps I should say I try to avoid doing so. I think it's alright that people do, I think it's kinda cute though it's not for me. I have written a couple fan fictions though, primarily to make fun of fan fiction and people (both the haters of fan fiction and the fan fiction writers) have loved it every time I do, which makes me so very very proud. I have written for the Soul Calibur boards. Mine are never serious. They involve cheerful picnics that end in violence with twist endings and real-life disastrous versions of people's romantic encounters with characters who are packing more baggage than an airport luggage car, usually inspired after I accidentally stumble onto some antithetical piece and I never expect anyone to like them because they are just so much snarkiness in an elaborate wrapper.
 

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I usually don't read fanfiction.
For reasons why: See Sturgeon's Law.

I just don't have the time to shift through the other 90% to find the gems. And usually if a fanfiction involves other people's characters, I generally like to stick with the official canon than defer to something a fan made up.