Poll: Father in rural Germany finds his young son likes to wear dresses; does the same to show solidarity.
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Aw, that's so sweet.
The story was really heartwarming. Some of the responses here were less so. As long as people are afraid to subvert fucking idiotic social norms, how will anything ever change? Hopefully these are the first steps to normalising something which shouldn't even be an issue to begin with.
The story was really heartwarming. Some of the responses here were less so. As long as people are afraid to subvert fucking idiotic social norms, how will anything ever change? Hopefully these are the first steps to normalising something which shouldn't even be an issue to begin with.
Wow that shits weird. Yeah people fucking love social norms. Its drilled into us at an early age. The best you can hope for is to drill open mindedness instead and let children make their own choices. This kind of non issue will eventually cease to exist. Its basically inevitable.Phasmal said:
It was a blanket statement for "discourage the action". I was thinking in terms of if it was my kid. I'd only just sit him down and go, "Son. Rednecks make up 50-60% of the population here. So in order to keep you from getting your ass beat on a daily basis, go put on a pair of pants"Rainboq said:
Basically this, at 5 he probably just likes the comfort and aesthetics. As a teenager he'd probably be having some gender identity issues, at which point this kind of solidarity would be much more resonant.him over there said:
This is wonderful for the record, nice smile to add to the day. Thank You.
As for the question my Wife and I are about total gender equality when it comes to our kids. Honestly, while we'd would accepted our child no matter what the preference we would like them to be bi like his/her parents. We both agree that there are some cross gender guys that are just beautiful and can pull it off perfectly.
There are better pictures, but they are DEFINITELY not appropriate for the forums.
As long as my child isn't harming others or himself I don't give a damn what he does as long as it makes him happy. I do acknowledge that such... well for lack of a better word "lifestyles" can cause ridicule and misery to him. I will say I'll be there for him as much as I could.
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There isn't anything physically wrong with men wearing dresses. Both boys and girls used to wearing dresses for over 2 centuries. Also lets not forget than women were not allowed to wear pants until very recently.
As for the question my Wife and I are about total gender equality when it comes to our kids. Honestly, while we'd would accepted our child no matter what the preference we would like them to be bi like his/her parents. We both agree that there are some cross gender guys that are just beautiful and can pull it off perfectly.
There are better pictures, but they are DEFINITELY not appropriate for the forums.
As long as my child isn't harming others or himself I don't give a damn what he does as long as it makes him happy. I do acknowledge that such... well for lack of a better word "lifestyles" can cause ridicule and misery to him. I will say I'll be there for him as much as I could.
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Pre added statements to avoid future arguments.
There isn't anything physically wrong with men wearing dresses. Both boys and girls used to wearing dresses for over 2 centuries. Also lets not forget than women were not allowed to wear pants until very recently.
Being passive Aggressive about it is even worse :/dunam said:
OT: I don't know really, I like to think I would be like this dad, but I have my doubts, and you can never really know until you are put to the test.
I do however find all the "I have to stop this, so he doesn't get bullied!" replies hilarious, nothing like teaching your kid to succumb to peer pressure, that will never come back and bite you in the ass.
Where do you live? Because here in rural Southern Germany people would get out the pitchforks if you tried to have a "gay sex festival" in their town. I have no idea why you'd think rural parts would be more liberal than urban areas. People here are a hell of a lot more conservative actually.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
The guy himself says that while no one cared in Berlin, he and his son were objects of ridicule after they moved to rural Southern Germany.
I love this X3.
People seem to think that you don't really develop your gender identity or whatever until you have sexual preferences. My family had an idea that something wasn't quite normal by the time I was 6, and despite many years in school, where being "like the rest" is more important than life itself, I still ended up swapping genders. Nobody knows what this kid will end up becoming, but I admire the father for letting him explore it himself.
People seem to think that you don't really develop your gender identity or whatever until you have sexual preferences. My family had an idea that something wasn't quite normal by the time I was 6, and despite many years in school, where being "like the rest" is more important than life itself, I still ended up swapping genders. Nobody knows what this kid will end up becoming, but I admire the father for letting him explore it himself.
If, later in life, this kid repeatedly gets the shit kicked out of him for wearing dresses, we'll know who to blame.
Captcha: Face the music.
Yeah kid, you need to face the music and realize not everyone is going to tolerate your personal dress code.
Captcha: Face the music.
Yeah kid, you need to face the music and realize not everyone is going to tolerate your personal dress code.
Whaaaaat? How did you manage to swap genders? Experimental retrovirus gene therapy? I didn't realize our technology had advanced to that point yet.Vampire cat said:
Kilts are probably one of the manliest things you could wear frankly.Boudica said:Who cares? "Oh no, you shouldn't be wearing that bit of fabric that way!" Pfft. Some cultures are so painfully stupid.
OT: I'd encourage my son to do whatever made him comfortable, though I@m not sure I'd wear it myself, prefer jeans frankly.
Isn't it weird how we associate gender with clothing...
Actually gender as a concept is rather redundant anyway IMO, oh you care about fashion = girl, ooh you like guns and shooting them to make the bad guys fall down = boy :/
Things make more sense as just Sex and Sexuality (including Transgender in sex, because it's the physicality of what they're doing, and how they prefer to be referred to).
Basically props to the father for deciding that it's just a bit of clothing and supporting his son.
It's what I would do anyway... If I were famous (and some sort of style icon, hah) I would make skirts(kilts, whatever) fashionable for men to wear because really? It's really quite refreshing having that breeze!
Actually gender as a concept is rather redundant anyway IMO, oh you care about fashion = girl, ooh you like guns and shooting them to make the bad guys fall down = boy :/
Things make more sense as just Sex and Sexuality (including Transgender in sex, because it's the physicality of what they're doing, and how they prefer to be referred to).
Basically props to the father for deciding that it's just a bit of clothing and supporting his son.
It's what I would do anyway... If I were famous (and some sort of style icon, hah) I would make skirts(kilts, whatever) fashionable for men to wear because really? It's really quite refreshing having that breeze!
I'm sure this will come as a shock in this place of intellectuals and revolutionaries, but sometimes it's okay to go with the flow instead of fighting absolutely everything. There are other ways to show support for a kid, to make him know that he's loved and accepted unconditionally, while teaching that some behavior isn't socially acceptable. Being accepted by society is going to do him more good than going against their norms ever will. He can make that decision later when he begins to understand the real implications of the choice, but wearing a dress at age 5 does nothing but encourage a child to be different for the sake of being different.Darkmantle said:
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As evil as it sounds, I'd probably save the father. Yes it means I just sent a child to its death but with the father still alive he can easily produce another one.
Wait... What thread is this?
Wait... What thread is this?
I'd have the boy put away the dresses and wear boy's clothes until he was old enough to at least begin to have a clue about the world and what his innocent preferences in clothing represent to others---and the grief wearing women's clothes could give him.
I'd simultaneously enroll him in hand to hand self defense classes: "Wax on, grasshoppa. Wax off."
THEN, after he was older, if it turned out that he was a natural cross dresser I'd come to grips that and roll with it.
Putting him in a kilt, like a previous poster suggested, would be an exemplary compromise.
The problem with kilts, I hear, is that they cost a fortune. My sister once priced kilts as potential gifts and they cost hundreds of dollars. OUCH!!! Do we have any Scots who know where you can purchase a poor man's kilt?
I'd simultaneously enroll him in hand to hand self defense classes: "Wax on, grasshoppa. Wax off."
THEN, after he was older, if it turned out that he was a natural cross dresser I'd come to grips that and roll with it.
Putting him in a kilt, like a previous poster suggested, would be an exemplary compromise.
The problem with kilts, I hear, is that they cost a fortune. My sister once priced kilts as potential gifts and they cost hundreds of dollars. OUCH!!! Do we have any Scots who know where you can purchase a poor man's kilt?