It asks you to suppose something, and then go from there.alphamalet said:
That's how "if" scenarios work.
Poll: Former Microsoft Console buyers: Will you buy the 720?
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You can tell by my avatar that I'm a huge fan of Halo. I'm primarily a PC gamer but I have owned an Xbox and two 360s simply to play it, I'm currently rocking a Halo 4 Limited Edition slim that cost me ?320 that I bought when I already had a copy of Halo 4 and a 360 Arcade simply because it looks awesome and I wanted to support the release.
So, I'm someone willing to shell out hundreds of Euros for a single game, I'm the model consumer, but as it stands I'm not touching the 720 with a barge pole, even if Halo 5/6 are exclusives, keeping in mind I own a 360 and pay for XBL only to play Halo. Always-online, built-in mandatory Kinect, possibly blocked used games, I've even heard rumors that the 720 will have a subscription closer to that of a cellphone, where you will effectively be renting the console and paying off the difference, if your payments stop that means no Live and thus a non-functional console.
A new generation of consoles should mean more choice, more options, more freedom, instead everything is being locked down, made mandatory and all of our choices as consumers are being erased. Kinect sold like crap and was a huge failure so now they're making it mandatory, that's a prime example of removing customer choice, how we use the things we pay for is being dictated to us. They managed to sell games as a service, like the Sim City fiasco, and now they're trying to sell a f*cking $500 physical machine as a service, it's unacceptable.
So, I'm someone willing to shell out hundreds of Euros for a single game, I'm the model consumer, but as it stands I'm not touching the 720 with a barge pole, even if Halo 5/6 are exclusives, keeping in mind I own a 360 and pay for XBL only to play Halo. Always-online, built-in mandatory Kinect, possibly blocked used games, I've even heard rumors that the 720 will have a subscription closer to that of a cellphone, where you will effectively be renting the console and paying off the difference, if your payments stop that means no Live and thus a non-functional console.
A new generation of consoles should mean more choice, more options, more freedom, instead everything is being locked down, made mandatory and all of our choices as consumers are being erased. Kinect sold like crap and was a huge failure so now they're making it mandatory, that's a prime example of removing customer choice, how we use the things we pay for is being dictated to us. They managed to sell games as a service, like the Sim City fiasco, and now they're trying to sell a f*cking $500 physical machine as a service, it's unacceptable.
I'm going to take that money for the console and build a gaming PC. I'm fed up with Microsoft with their console that plays bad with my games not running at the level they should be at. Plus I'm not paying $60 a year to see ads on my home screen every time I start the console. I just feel like it's time for me to move on from console gaming and try to get something that runs better.
I owned both xbox and 360 and I still have them both in working order and play them frequently.
To the 720, if it has always online requirements, I will be telling microsoft to stick it and not buying it.
Why? Because while it wouldn't be too much of a problem when I am home alone playing a single player game due to our relatively stable net (it drops for a minute maybe once a day, but thats good for this area) The problem is that I use the console for more local multiplayer and I take it to places where I cannot connect to the net. (like trips away)
The DRM for Downloaded content annoys the crap outta me because if I dont connect online, all my full arcade games become trials. Hell, If i log out of my own console to let my friends play on their offline profiles, they become trials. I've even done that license transfer, twice, and it STILL does it.
Now that seems small, but imagine it on the scale of a whole console. Screw, that, crap.
To the 720, if it has always online requirements, I will be telling microsoft to stick it and not buying it.
Why? Because while it wouldn't be too much of a problem when I am home alone playing a single player game due to our relatively stable net (it drops for a minute maybe once a day, but thats good for this area) The problem is that I use the console for more local multiplayer and I take it to places where I cannot connect to the net. (like trips away)
The DRM for Downloaded content annoys the crap outta me because if I dont connect online, all my full arcade games become trials. Hell, If i log out of my own console to let my friends play on their offline profiles, they become trials. I've even done that license transfer, twice, and it STILL does it.
Now that seems small, but imagine it on the scale of a whole console. Screw, that, crap.
With what I've heard about the 720 so far, I'm not going to buy one. I'll just spend the $500 to upgrade my PC and buy the games I want on Steam. It's not so much that it might have that always online - my 360 is always online right now, even though I only go online with it maybe once a month to check for DLC. The rumoured lack of backwards compatibility is what is making me annoyed. I don't buy many games and the games I do own I tend to play for years, so looking at my (small) library and realizing that I might not be able to play them going forward, I'll probably just turn to Steam for my gaming in the future.
This may change as the system is released, of course. If there's automatic backward compatibility, I'll probably get a 720.
This may change as the system is released, of course. If there's automatic backward compatibility, I'll probably get a 720.
I'd say this is the proper approach. I had too many enjoyable times with my Xbox and my 360 to outright ignore Microsoft's next console. But no company had had a good launch with their third console in my memory. And I'd much rather wait to see if any of these rumors have a shred of truth before I make any half cocked proclamations.madwarper said:
Not if the rumours are true, which is hardly ever the case. It's too early to tell right now because we know nothing about the console whatsoever.
I won't make up my mind until I know more details about both consoles, but I'm leaning towards the PS4. I haven't turned on my 360 in ages because I stopped paying $60 a year for XBL Gold. I use my PS3 for Netflix now because it's free, and the PS3 exclusives are just as good as the Xbox exclusives. I may end up getting a 720 whenever they roll out next gen Halo or Gears.
I traded my first 360 for the then-new slim PS3 and that was a perfect trade, couldn't be happier. Got back from Iraq, bought a slim 360 and a Wii then later sold them both and kept my PS3. Just don't like Microsoft compared to Sony so I was never going to buy the nextbox regardless. PS4 is still kinda iffy for me.
We know nothing about it, so at this stage no, because it technically doesn't exist until something is announced. I'll reserve judgement until I see it and can know the details.
I think people need to take a step back, forget the whole "Always online" thing going around about this mystery machine and just stop talking about that particular issue (That is regarding the console itself, not the issue of DRM, considering this console doesn't exist yet), until we know one concrete damn thing about the next Xbox.
I think people need to take a step back, forget the whole "Always online" thing going around about this mystery machine and just stop talking about that particular issue (That is regarding the console itself, not the issue of DRM, considering this console doesn't exist yet), until we know one concrete damn thing about the next Xbox.
Well, this is still all hypothetical (though I'm worried about the fact that they haven't outright denied it), but supposing the nextbox came with and always-online requirement, I'd have a simple response.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha, no.
I don't want to have to be online for a single-player game. I want to be able to play demos (not to mention the games I paid 60 goddamn dollars for) when my Internet is out. I live outside the limits of a small city in central North Carolina. I've got 3 Mbps DSL, which is the best they offer in my area. And because of the localized monopolies telecom companies have, there's no real competition aside from cable, which as I said isn't available.
Even if/when I move to a well-wired place, I don't want to chance my Xbox kicking me off during a boss battle or an hour after my last save because my provider is doing maintenance on its lines.
But as this is all hypothetical, there's probably not a lot to worry about. Probably.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha, no.
I don't want to have to be online for a single-player game. I want to be able to play demos (not to mention the games I paid 60 goddamn dollars for) when my Internet is out. I live outside the limits of a small city in central North Carolina. I've got 3 Mbps DSL, which is the best they offer in my area. And because of the localized monopolies telecom companies have, there's no real competition aside from cable, which as I said isn't available.
Even if/when I move to a well-wired place, I don't want to chance my Xbox kicking me off during a boss battle or an hour after my last save because my provider is doing maintenance on its lines.
But as this is all hypothetical, there's probably not a lot to worry about. Probably.
I voted yes, but i didn't read the first post beforehand, so I'd probably change to no. Whatever, let me summarize my thinking: Right now I'm still planning on buying at some point, definitely not right after launch though. HOWEVER, if a lot of these rumors come true, like always online, no used games, and closer to $500 than $300, then Microsoft will lose another buyer.
My current living situation doesn't really allow me to use more Ethernet cords than the one I'm using for my PC. The wireless connection is abysmally slower, so no. I have my 360 with me, but it's not online at all right now and I've been enjoying playing great games on it. I couldn't do that if DRM were installed on it.
I own a 360 but, if the rumors prove to be true, I definitely will not be purchasing a 720. I hadn't planned on it before the rumors, but I was going to look into it if it got some good games on it. If it goes through with the always online stuff, I'll still avoid it even if it contains games that I want. My current 360 is never hooked up to an internet connection. I feel no need to have one.
I've been mulling this over since hearing the rumours, and frankly, if any of them are true, I'm getting out of console gaming entirely. What with all of the franchises I care about mostly over, there's no attraction on the game front at all... I've been thinking about grabbing a steambox, as it has essentially none of the rubbish of the other 2 'hardcore' consoles, and is in the long run cheaper for one main reason.
Game prices.
What with Sony and Microsoft chomping at the bit to remove used games, but still ship a cheap console, some have said (not unreasonably) that the prices of games will go up to £60 at launch. Even assuming that doesn't happen, and assuming a £300 console, by the time you've got 15 games, you're shelling out £1050 (£1200 with £60 games, and remember that 15 games is a miniscule library).
On steam on the other hand, even on the top of the range steambox at £600, games are currently at £35 at launch. Even if it ends up at £45 for producing games on the new hardware, it comes out to £1275 (if not, then it comes out to £1125(and that's not even considering how much you might save through sales on the thing)).
Now, I'm sorry, but that steambox sounds like one hell of a deal to me in the current gaming market. Particularly considering how it's still a PC even if the whole market goes down the plughole and takes Valve with it... Oh, and I've owned both an Xbox and 3 360s.
Game prices.
What with Sony and Microsoft chomping at the bit to remove used games, but still ship a cheap console, some have said (not unreasonably) that the prices of games will go up to £60 at launch. Even assuming that doesn't happen, and assuming a £300 console, by the time you've got 15 games, you're shelling out £1050 (£1200 with £60 games, and remember that 15 games is a miniscule library).
On steam on the other hand, even on the top of the range steambox at £600, games are currently at £35 at launch. Even if it ends up at £45 for producing games on the new hardware, it comes out to £1275 (if not, then it comes out to £1125(and that's not even considering how much you might save through sales on the thing)).
Now, I'm sorry, but that steambox sounds like one hell of a deal to me in the current gaming market. Particularly considering how it's still a PC even if the whole market goes down the plughole and takes Valve with it... Oh, and I've owned both an Xbox and 3 360s.
I have neither the time, money or mental health (capacity? Looking for the right wording) to deal with my gaming experience not working when I need it to. That was the reason I went into the console market to begin with, that was the reason I got pissed when my old xbox started to not respond with my games on disk. If Microsoft goes through with this paranoia-inducing machine I will not be buying. It will create a constant fear of disconnection, loosing both progress and flow, a stress-factor that will ruin every feeling of immersion, fun and excitement and quite possibly preventing me from actually logging on; good and stable connection or not.
I'm fearing, I want this next xbox to work out, I really do, but if the rumors are true, and nothing has changed after about a year of release, I am going to look elsewhere for my system.
I'm fearing, I want this next xbox to work out, I really do, but if the rumors are true, and nothing has changed after about a year of release, I am going to look elsewhere for my system.
Thinking of either a PS4 or WiiU. Or 3DS. PS4 seems more like the lesser of two evils at this point and we can always count on Nintendo to make quality games. There are some fantastic games on WiiU and some more coming. And I can get a 3DSXL with Mario Kart 7 bundle for $170. Or get [a ref="http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Electrics/Les-Paul/Matt-Heafy-Les-Paul-Custom.aspx"]the new Matt Heafy Les Paul Custom[/a].
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