Poll: Games aren't gay enough.

[VeneratedWulfen93]

Deconstruct it far enough and being gay is a sexual preferance, so is preffering under age partners. Then we start getting into dangerous waters. I don't like to get too involved because we are supposed to feel pity for one sexuality and despise another. Why are there parades for one and court sentances for another?

...I feel genuinely frightened by your assertion and people who think in such a way.

You don't know gay people, you've said it yourself. So maybe you shouldn't compare this massive group of 30% of the total population to pedophiles, and condemn a group of people you clearly know nothing of.

You feel frightened by people who have a differant opinion? I never condemned gay people I just shrug. To my reasoning a sexual preferance is what you prefer to have intercourse with and often it isn't a choice. Some people are born gay, some develop it over time or just go through a phase. Just think its a bit odd that we advocate one group and are meant to do the 'right' thing and support them while condeming other minorities who share the same trait of being differant.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

Moar gay, if only because its funny seeing the c***s at fox news getting all riled up. And most of my friends are bi, so they'd hopefully enjoy gaming more.

What's bengay?

 

[The White Hunter]

I know no gay people because like I said, in England its no big deal.

Idk, I went through high school being open and it was pretty hellish, and I encounter a fair bit of discrimination based on my orientation and i live in England.

That said it's like water off a ducks back, i couldn't care less what they think of me.
It's definately less of an issue here than the US though, much less extreme opinions on the matter and I definately found people at uni more accepting of it.

 

[Overusedname]

30% of the world is gay.

That is a huge, ENORMOUS falsification and exaggeration, the only stats we have indicate that 4% of people are exclusively gay, worldwide. If you count bisexuals you are looking at 7.5%. So you are way off there.

Not sure what you're going off of, but I'm guessing wikipedia or the source it used which is...well, flawed.

The confirmed percentage increase a little each year, suggesting people were simply lying. And most american's think it's what I said, reflecting that there are clearly a lot of gay people out there, many of whom keep it under wraps, contradicting the statistical with the personal:


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

This article supports the questionable statistic, but I just wanted to point out how many people support this idea that there are more gays than the numbers support.

Several sources state percentages over what I said, some under what you said, some in between. I shouldn't have brought percentages into it, I guess. A statistic on this sort of thing won't be accurate for another hundred years, really. I apologize for that.

Most LGBT members say that the overestimate is a good thing, as it shows people are starting to know more and more openly gay people and accepting them. So...I guess at least it's a good thing to be wrong about? I dunno lol.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

Less gay? What? You don't want lesbians in your games? Wankers.

 

[Overusedname]

What's bengay?

The obligatory funny option every poll needs, of course. :3

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

I know no gay people because like I said, in England its no big deal.

Idk, I went through high school being open and it was pretty hellish, and I encounter a fair bit of discrimination based on my orientation and i live in England.

That said it's like water off a ducks back, i couldn't care less what they think of me.
It's definately less of an issue here than the US though, much less extreme opinions on the matter and I definately found people at uni more accepting of it.

For me at least, in the North-East we take the piss to show we care. The common greeting around my friends is "Areet shithead." to which the response is "Ah fuck off ya twat." Everytime something happens we just rip the piss out of eachother. We have thick skin over here, can't speak for anywhere out of the North East however but insults and people saying shit really doesn't matter. People use Gay as an insult which I find hilarious because I'm pretty sure a gay person won't be insulted by getting called gay. People can say and do what they want, i really don't care unless its something I feel deeply passionate about then it gets real.

Its hard for me to grasp it as well as americans because like I said I know 1 lesbian and thats it. Surely your Uni experience didn't involve getting beat up or murdered.

 

[Olas]

I've always thought it would be cool to create a game/movie/TVshow where we get to follow the protagonist like 3/4 of the way into the story before it's revealed off-hand that they're gay. Up until that point their sexuality just wouldn't come up at all and it wouldn't dramatically affect the story from then on. It would simply be a minor detail. I'm tired of everything treating homosexuality like it's a big deal one way or another.

It would be especially cool if it was a character that didn't really fit any gay stereotypes. They would just be a regular character that anyone could relate to.

 

[Elate]

-snip.-

Sorry, but I'm in England too and people do care. You do anything other than conform to the set "This is how a man acts and dresses" and you get funny looks, whispers and people shouting at you in the street. That is not accepting.

Ehhh, it would be nice to have more options with things like that, as many people have said the way Guild Wars 2 does it is very elegant indeed, at least compared to Mass Effect 3s shoe horning. This isn't about pressing views onto other people, it's about getting people to accept that homosexual is equal too heterosexual relationships. Something, that we still haven't achieved unfortunately.

 

[mgirl]

Next thing you know transgenders/transexuals/phedophiles/beastiality is going to want to be represented in gaming . Stop forcing your views on people ! Then again enchanted arms had an idiot , and gay guy and a transgender as the main cast ...

As for me personally . I'm not homophobic, but i don't want homosexuality shoved in my face , and forced upon me in my games . It would be enough to stop me from buying a game i want .

Wow. It's disgraceful to describe putting gay or transgender issues into a game on the same level of frigging pedophilia.

And you're not homophobic but gay characters would mean you wouldn't buy a game? Yeah, sounds real consistant.

OT: Putting in token characters is never a good idea, but if it fits with the story and everything, it would be great to have more gay characters in games. It'd be nice for younger gay people to have a role model, it certainly would have helped me.

 

[blackdwarf]

most of the time characters are not defined by their sexuality because it is not a issue in the story. ME and DA did have gay characters (mostly good one imo) because that mattered. it would be far annoying to have a guy/girl scream the fact he/she is gay all the time when there is reason for knowing that.

but i'm always for more gay people in games, not because i enjoy gays on a sexual view, but it offers interesting plots and character stuff in the story. sadly vocal people do disagree with me like we saw with the DA2 debacle on Anders.

so yeah, i'm ok with more gay people in games, so long there is a reason for knowing the fact and not just thrown in for Political correctness.

 

[Mirroga]

Discovering one's gender should never be a revelation nor is it worthy of focus. If someone says that they're gay or lesbian, you act as if it's as normal as saying you're a man. You don't answer "Whoa, I never knew that." You answer with "Good for you. Now let's go back to our previous discussion." And if they try to force the subject back after your normal answer, then they actually crave the attention and do not focus on the normality of homosexuality.

 

[mgirl]

He sees no reason to put in homosexual characters other than for the specific reason of making them homosexual, ie, token characters as you describe it. That's what he meant, he just didn't bother with the fancy semantics and just went straight to be point, so you imply that he is homophobic.

Also, unrelated, but I hate the word "homophobia". Who the fuck is afraid of gay people and why? Then again, we have xenophobia, so I guess it makes sense...

No. I implied he was homophobic for comparing gays and transgender people to pedophiles, and saying that having homosexuality 'shoved in his face' in a video game would make him not buy a video game. He said nothing about how characters would be implemented, so I didn't infer that from his post.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

-snip.-

Sorry, but I'm in England too and people do care. You do anything other than conform to the set "This is how a man acts and dresses" and you get funny looks, whispers and people shouting at you in the street. That is not accepting.

Ehhh, it would be nice to have more options with things like that, as many people have said the way Guild Wars 2 does it is very elegant indeed, at least compared to Mass Effect 3s shoe horning. This isn't about pressing views onto other people, it's about getting people to accept that homosexual is equal too heterosexual relationships. Something, that we still haven't achieved unfortunately.

I never noticed it all my life. I've been 'persecuted' because I watch anime and wear heavy metal clothes but never in a serious way. just nob heads thinking they were clever. Its not persecution its kids being the little shits that they are. I never claimed acceptance either, I merely observed that all of these problems people go on about I have never witnessed over here. My friends and family don't discuss it, its never been a big deal. I've never heard of gay people being beaten up. The worst that happens is the aforementioned nob heads calling people gay with little to no grounding.

 

[Olas]

I've always thought it would be cool to have a story where we find out about 3/4 of the way through that the protagonist is gay off-handedly, and then it isn't made into a big deal. Especially if the protagonist doesn't fit into any of the typical gay stereotypes.

Also this reminds me of something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhEMrDvkOU&t=2m37s

 

[Phaerim]

I'm gay. And I honestly like it to be a part of a character not THE character. I possess various qualities beyond my sexuality, as do heterosexuals.

Yes. More characters where these things are just a normal part of the character, but not the defining trait. Characters are made up of more than their sexuality.

Sadly, character writing is so freakishly bad in the video game genre. Gender roles are so stereotypical. A friend told me Nathan Drake was an interesting character. He was something young men look up too. Not an interesting character.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

He sees no reason to put in homosexual characters other than for the specific reason of making them homosexual, ie, token characters as you describe it. That's what he meant, he just didn't bother with the fancy semantics and just went straight to be point, so you imply that he is homophobic.

Also, unrelated, but I hate the word "homophobia". Who the fuck is afraid of gay people and why? Then again, we have xenophobia, so I guess it makes sense...

No. I implied he was homophobic for comparing gays and transgender people to pedophiles, and saying that having homosexuality 'shoved in his face' in a video game would make him not buy a video game. He said nothing about how characters would be implemented, so I didn't infer that from his post.

Gays and pedophiles are both minority sexualities. Its easy to compare them.

 

[Elate]

I never noticed it all my life. I've been 'persecuted' because I watch anime and wear heavy metal clothes but never in a serious way. just nob heads thinking they were clever. Its not persecution its kids being the little shits that they are. I never claimed acceptance either, I merely observed that all of these problems people go on about I have never witnessed over here. My friends and family don't discuss it, its never been a big deal. I've never heard of gay people being beaten up. The worst that happens is the aforementioned nob heads calling people gay with little to no grounding.

Hm, I guess I'm just a little bummed because people tote England as being so accepting usually, but only if you conform to their standards. And yeah I've had the same with the heavy metal stuff, I was into it for a while, still kinda am. It was a system shock for me though, moving from the country side where most people are pretty tolerant, you don't really get any funny looks, to the city where people will stare if you have a piercing or such. Kinda got to me, that they can't just let other people be themselves without making them feel uncomfortable about it.

 

[Vault101]

I know no gay people because like I said, in England its no big deal. This is obviously a culture thing since religion and sexuality are heated issues in america. My point all along with this whole issue has been to sit on the side line. Deconstruct it far enough and being gay is a sexual preferance, so is preffering under age partners. Then we start getting into dangerous waters. I don't like to get too involved because we are supposed to feel pity for one sexuality and despise another. Why are there parades for one and court sentances for another?

I know 1 lesbian. End of story. She wasn't beaten, bullied or anything. She just got on like the rest of us and didn't need a parade to feel like she did.

really? ALL of england? yeah...I highly doubt that, there are still people out there (parents even) who will discriminate

the problem is I feel attitudes like this are kind of missing the point..and don't understand what it means to be a minority, one that has faced discrimination

theres nothing wrong with having more variety/being inclusive some people have a fundamental problem with it..but fuck it...why should entertainment/art all be the same anyway?

my point is I get a little sick of "vanilla" getting their undies in a twist because chocolate and strawberry wants to be in the ice cream tub as well.....Neopolitan is better than straight vanilla because it allows for more prefernces

and that "slipper slope" argument is bullshit....

[small/]dont know where the hell I went with that metaphor but whatever[/small]

Why the hell do we keep having these discussions about what is essentially the idea of quotation to bring in various minorities in games? I hate the idea of quotation, let the writers and developers do whatever they feel makes more sense for them and keep your god damn political agenda out of my entertainment and out of my art. If an artist or writer wants to make a political point, let them, but don't fucking talk about forcing them to fulfill some kind of diversity/political correctness-quota that they have to fulfill.

thats ther thing though...say an artist wants to make a story with a gay character but OH NO his financial backers say no because its "a risk" that doesn't have enough mass apeal..you that kind of

 

[Andy Shandy]

Obligatory Chang gif.

Anyway, personally I couldn't really care if there were more or less gay characters. What definitely shouldn't happen is just adding them in to be token gay characters. What I would like to see is more well-written straight and gay romances in gaming