Poll: German WW2 FPS?

[GreyWolf257]

Well, in some games you can, but would you honestly want to play a game where the only protagonist is a Nazi? That is sort of an oxymoron, come to think of it.

 

[Pilot Bush]

No.

Why?
Let me make a wall of text:

As tiring as it is to play as Americans, Brits, and Russians (have there been any Canada-centric or Australia-centric World War II games yet?) over and over, it's really the only way to do it. The Italians were pretty much useless, being more under-equipped than the Brits were, and only gained ground in North Africa because they surprised the Brits, so an Italian-centric game is way out of the question. The Japanese, while powerful, were only so because they invented the Zerg Rush, mindlessly sacrificing many of their own for no apparent reason. Sure, they captured Korea, China, most of the Pacific Islands, Thailand, Burma, Vietnam, etc. but that was mostly BEFORE 1939, and NOBODY was ready for them. Once people got their shit together (See: Kokoda Trail) the Japanese were on the road to failure, especially after the US sent their Pacific ***** Slap (The USS Enterprise) at them, and had really crappy weapons compared to the Allies (better than Italy, but still shit), so they are out as well. This leaves Germany as the only major Axis, and it is 100% impossible to do a Nazi-centric World War II game because of 5 major things:
1. They lost.
2. Can't really have a Nazi-centric game without the various Nazi crap, like Hitler, so there goes ANYONE IN GERMANY being able to play it (legally), and would probably be banned in Israel.
3. Alternate History? Get ready to be crushed under the anger of millions of people (especially Israel).
4. (Depending on time period) Steamroll over tiny little countries and France, get slaughtered in Russia, play Front Lines Pong in North Africa with the British, or get shot in the face in France. Take your pick. Either way, pretty fucking boring.
5. Navy? What navy? Bismark was useless, Tirpitz was useless, U-Boats were only effective for about 2 years (and spent most of that time going from France to the Atlantic and back), and had basically shit all otherwise.
So not only would a Nazi-centric World War II game be banned in Germany (and probably Israel), but it would also being really fucking boring.

I say yes, and I'm going to go ahead and do a point by point rebuttal here because a) I'm sleep derived and b) consequently my judgment is impaired. Here we go:
1. Yes, they lost, but they won a lot too before they lost. Will return to this in 4.
2. You could focus on a career soldier that was in the Reichswehr from before the Nazi take over. Lots of the professional soldiers in Germany didn't support the Nazis at heart, but played along because they thought they could get the better of Hitler. In fact, there could be some fantastic cut-scenes based on backroom negotiations between Wehrmacht generals. Obviously, you would have to have Nazi symbology, but cast it in a historical/sociological light. Plenty of WW2 games have had soviet rhetoric even though the soviet regime killed many more people than the Nazis did. And I doubt Germany and Israel make up a large share of a major publisher's market.
3. Alternate histories aren't really attractive, but it wouldn't hurt to have a last mission where you board a U-boat for Argentina.
4. You don't have to put the player in areas where they lost. Start him off in the Spanish Civil war, go to the invasion of France next, then N. Africa with Rommel before they get chased out, and then move him to Stalingrad, then out again before they get surrounded. You can show tactical victories and skip over the strategic losses.
5. Navy wise, a simple U-boat sim that could compete with COD's tank missions would be sufficient. You could, of course, insert a few Luftwaffe missions for kicks too.

Overall, don't focus on German the country, focus on the player's story, his victories in the face of certain death.

Ok, I'll admit it, the only reason I want this game to happen is so I can start a level with an MP44 and not have to search every single body on the battlefield for one.

haha true, and speaking of the mp44, the germans had all kinds of state-of-the-art shit that the allies never had. would be interesting to use those.

 

[Gebi10000]

how about a game where your trying to desert the German army?Sick of a war you don't wan't to fight anyway? trying to get home while avoiding nazi patroles?Hideing form gestapo officers? sounds ok to me(although i don't really play WWII games).

 

[Pilot Bush]

Well, in some games you can, but would you honestly want to play a game where the only protagonist is a Nazi? That is sort of an oxymoron, come to think of it.

Not all the germans were nazis, the player would most likely be just a conscript fighting for his survival and the survival of his buddies.

 

[Citrus]

A game about a German rebel working as a double agent for the Brits could probably work. You get to play as a Nazi without the moral problem of playing as a Nazi.

 

[GreyWolf257]

Well, in some games you can, but would you honestly want to play a game where the only protagonist is a Nazi? That is sort of an oxymoron, come to think of it.

Not all the germans were nazis, the player would most likely be just a conscript fighting for his survival and the survival of his buddies.

Yes, that is definitely going to make the game better. If you fight as a German rebel, then the game would be easier to swallow, but going around killing your grandpa and his pals really isn't a way to make game sales.

 

[Obrien Xp]

5. Navy wise, a simple U-boat sim that could compete with COD's tank missions would be sufficient. You could, of course, insert a few Luftwaffe missions for kicks too.

Its called Silent Hunter 1, 2, 3, 5. They just did an article on it this week. I just played it today (3) for the who knows how manyeth time? I must say, this is the best you can get!

Luftwaffe missions and the like are in the Microsoft WWII Air Combat Flight Simulator 1 and 3. Gl finding them though.

The only con I have against a German based WWII FPS is the backlash in the media, otherwise I'm all for it.

 

[Pilot Bush]

There could be a large number of endings: captured, killed, wounded, deserted, rebelled, or just went home...

 

[Omikron009]

I was literally just thinking about this earlier today. I think one desperately needs to be made. And I'm Jewish.

 

[firedfns13]

Nope, I feel bad playing as the Americans in games and I get other AI Americans killed/see them killed.
I couldn't play the game.

edit: maybe its because I'm going to be in the military one day.

 

[KissofKetchup]

I say make a game as you play as the Finnish, as I have stated in another thread
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.153803

And yes I think they should make a game from the Germans' perspective, as long as the focus is on the battle and not the anti-semitism

 

[Pilot Bush]

I was literally just thinking about this earlier today. I think one desperately needs to be made. And I'm Jewish.

So am I

 

[Acaroid]

Every FPS from world war 2 is always about the Brits, the Americans and the Russians, over and over and over again. I think we need to start making Axis FPS.

play world war 2 online, you can be axis all you want.

True, but I meant an axis campaign

Yeah fair enough

I think that if done right, it could be a reallly good game that would give people a different view of the war, other than nazis are bad we shoot them. The germans where humans also and showing the human side of them, and also showing that they arnt all the evil like the media likes to tell us. Look at inglorious basterds movie, I think one of the great things that movie showed was how BOTH sides of the war where evil, not just one. There is no more of a moral problem fighting on the german side of a campaign as there is being british or USA, you would see this if you look at the war without your "OMG EVERYTHING NAZI MUST BE EVIL" and give it an objective view....

But honestly, no game company would have the balls to create a game like this properly.

edit: when I say "you", not personal, just "you" as people in general

 

[skywalkerlion]

No. I am not a facist and racist asshole that plans on worshipping a retard that plans to kill all Jews.

Just sayin'. Hell, even playing an ASSASSIN from the CRUSADES is better then this.

And to the guy above me: You know, I'm quite positive the Allies didn't go around executing Germans with crude objects..like the Inglorious Basterds (don't quote me on that, I'm no historian)..And yeah, Nazis were indeed humans too, but really ignorant, disgusting animals of humans.

 

[StigmataDiaboli]

It'd be interesting to do but I imagine boycott group after boycott group would come for it. First the Germans, then the Veterans, then the Super Devil probably, I don't know.

 

[Pilot Bush]

It'd be interesting to do but I imagine boycott group after boycott group would come for it. First the Germans, then the Veterans, then the Super Devil probably, I don't know.

I think the Germans would welcome a positive twist on their ww2 soldiers

 

[Valdsator]

It's still going to be a while before anything like this happens, but it might someday, and it will probably be rather interesting.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

My friend was thinking of something like this. Call of Duty: Call of the Fatherland. He even had a script all thought out. Problem is. Who really wants to play as the nazis?

 

[StigmataDiaboli]

It'd be interesting to do but I imagine boycott group after boycott group would come for it. First the Germans, then the Veterans, then the Super Devil probably, I don't know.

I think the Germans would welcome a positive twist on their ww2 soldiers

I wouldn't know really. I think Infinity Ward ought to make it a mini-game in MW2. Can't get any more contraversal in the media eh?

 

[Pilot Bush]

Because the Germans (not nazi's) kicked ass until massive numbers and slow attrition of their top fighters eventually caused their downfall