Poll: GM food.... wait.... what?

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Ghengis John

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OrenjiJusu said:
Ever heard the term "Birmingham screwdriver"?
I'm not from England so no, but considering the internet tells me it's a phrase that's supposed to imply or be synonymous with stupidity or doing something stupid I'll just take it as an extra layer of support. I'll also ask, what's wrong with Birmingham?
 

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Ghengis John said:
OrenjiJusu said:
Ever heard the term "Birmingham screwdriver"?
I'm not from England so no, but considering the internet tells me it's a phrase that's supposed to imply or be synonymous with stupidity or doing something stupid I'll just take it as an extra layer of support. I'll also ask, what's wrong with Birmingham?
its a slang for hammer, somewhere along the line people from birmingham were considered...shall we say luddite-ish. Instead of screwing in a screw they'd say, "Sod it, get me a hammer".

It was more of a direct response to the analogy you used.
 

Ghengis John

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OrenjiJusu said:
its a slang for hammer, somewhere along the line people from birmingham were considered...shall we say luddite-ish. Instead of screwing in a screw they'd say, "Sod it, get me a hammer".

It was more of a direct response to the analogy you used.
I gathered. Colloquialisms aside I think my analogy will be fine. It's only conceivable weakness will be walking stereotypes from Birmingham, and their ability to access this site sounds dubious at best.
 

BlackStar42

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People need to learn more about GM crops. Seriously, some of the arguments are that eating GM food will mutate your DNA, I shit you not.
 

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J03bot said:
Sorry, they broke into a building and destroyed someone else's property, and your father can't see a problem with it?

Anyway, GM foods aren't half as bad as people make them out to be. Hell, the practice has (indirectly) been going on as long as farming, with people selecting the traits they want in future generations of crops/animals, and using samples that show those traits to reproduce. Why is it suddenly a problem when we skip a few generations by making that process more direct?

Given a choice between 'we can have more wheat by constantly only reproducing the bigger, faster growing plants over years' or 'we can have more wheat by making the wheat bigger and faster growing RIGHT NOW', I'll take the latter. It won't suddenly turn you into a horrible carcinogenic blob, I assure you.
This on every point.

This action is... blatantly wrong and illegal at best, and also shows that they are very uneducated[footnote]GM foods = more crop per smaller and less fertile area, thus less farmland and chemicals needed... [/footnote] about their target and that they lack any common decency. Anyone who actually knows what happens with GM foods will realise that it is not some diabolical conspiracy to give everyone thalidomide poisoning from your pea-soup. I wish these people would find within themselves a modicum of common sense and decency damnit!

GM foods are actually healthier and more convenient, they grow better, can be made to suffer less from disease, drought et cetera and give a bigger bang for your buck. To say they are bad or evil is idiotic.
 

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Genetically engineered food might not be what they want, but that does not give them the rights to deny the majority of the people to get what they want (and more importantly, NEED. If humanity eventually solves food problems, growing crops will eventually be better for the environment, be more space-efficient, etc. while solving humanity's problems with food as a whole. Look at Somalia now. 20 million people struggling to survive because it didn't rain enough. It might not be fixed entirely, but every step along the way of finding a crop that is eadible and that grows under dry conditions is progress. Progress is what we need.
 

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It doesn't matter what they hoped to achieve or why they did it, they have no right to break into a facility and vandalise it, end of story.
 

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J03bot said:
Sorry, they broke into a building and destroyed someone else's property, and your father can't see a problem with it?

Anyway, GM foods aren't half as bad as people make them out to be. Hell, the practice has (indirectly) been going on as long as farming, with people selecting the traits they want in future generations of crops/animals, and using samples that show those traits to reproduce. Why is it suddenly a problem when we skip a few generations by making that process more direct?

Given a choice between 'we can have more wheat by constantly only reproducing the bigger, faster growing plants over years' or 'we can have more wheat by making the wheat bigger and faster growing RIGHT NOW', I'll take the latter. It won't suddenly turn you into a horrible carcinogenic blob, I assure you.
This, the bullshit surrounding GM food is hard to cut through but if you actually care to look all the evidence is there, Greenpeace are being fucking morons.

Apart from anything else, this is their best target? The facility which is testing whether or not GM food has any effect on animals?

Why not, I dunno, the ones where they test cosmetics on animals, or maybe go beat up an oil company, no one likes them. Attacking a facility which is about safety is fucking moronic, even for them.
 

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Greenpeace are nothing more than a bunch privileged, self-righteous, hypocritical cunts. Half of their half-baked "Arguments" against GM crops center around "Not knowing what it will do to the environment derp derp!", yet here they are destroying research into exactly that; I guess it would be harder to spout their speculative fear mongering if we actually know its perfectly safe.

GM Crops are, right now, saving lives, millions upon millions of lives, in countries and continents where "Organic" farming has failed them.

A shower of morons, the lot of them.
 

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Denamic said:
GM foods require less resources to cultivate and yields greater harvests.
Cheaper, grows faster, it can even be more nutritious.
It is literally the solution to world hunger.
Yet people do this shit.
It's fucking stupid.
The whole hippie/organic/"green" movement is a religion. Nothing more.
I am not surprised by the actions of Greenpeace, but I am still saddened by them. I think I will have to consume some whale meat this week.
Ghengis John said:
No it's not. It's something different altogether. They may both attain the goal of change in a plant or animal but the process makes all the difference. Think of it this way: A nail and a screw are both fasteners. Yes? A screw is more advanced than a nail. Yes? Do you dive a nail with a screwdriver or a screw with a hammer? No. A nail is not a screw. A screw is not a nail. Anyone who tells you so is woefully misinformed.
Let me translate your reply for you: "It is against God's/Nature's will!"
I'm sorry, science doesn't have room for that sort of thinking.
 

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Let me get this straight: greenpeace broke into a government facility, destroyed a valuable scientific experiment, and you're asking me if they were RIGHT?! Heavens no. they're ecoterrorist freaks who'd put us all back in the stone age if they had their way.
 

Jakub324

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nice one guys, we might relying on GM crops in the future. Thanks for setting us back... retards.
 

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Took me a while to get that GM meant genetically modified. Might I make a suggestion to use the full term first, THEN the abreviation from then on?

OT: Greenpeace was in the wrong. Honestly, I don't see how they can possibly construe this as legal to do.
 

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While GreenPeace is on my list of charity's I donate to...
I don't see how you can be against this, normally their actions are in my book justified, but this whole GM food thing is health progress... I'll have to reconsider the sizable amount of money I dump into them.
 
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CODER said:
g'day!

Anyway, I was watching 7pm project with my father over dinner. For anyone who does not know, 7pm is a news show hosted by comedians. It is generally pretty fair, but does lean to the left slightly. There was a segment on GM food. The show ran the whole 'doom and gloom' section, with chefs and a person from Greenpeace spouting unsighted studies. The actual topic was about the tests that the CSIRO (Australia government run research division, quite respected in Australia) was running by growing GM wheat. CSIRO was growing some GM wheat for a study.



Here are the facts, my fellow escapists:

Greenpeace broke into the government research facility at night and, using whipper-snippers (line trimmers), completely destroyed the crop. The wheat was grown under controlled situations and was going to be fed to animals for research into GM effects on animals. The CSIRO's research was set back by about a year.

So, I ask you: Was Greenpeace in the right to destroy the crop?

The reason I ask is because my father saw no problems with their actions.

-coder
I think Movie Bob <a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2541-Feeding-Edge> said it best in one of his early Big Picture episodes. Bottom line: mankind has been genetically modifying crops and livestock for thousands of years, but now scientists can do in a year what used to take farmers decades, and with much more predictable results. If humanity is not meant to progress why the hell do any of us bother getting up in the mornings?

There are certain elements of Greenpeace (no doubt in the minority - I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush) who use any and every excuse to indulge their penchant for vandalism and public disorder, and in my view they should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. If these people were normal vandals they would be dealt with accordingly - the phrase "But I'm with Greenpeace" should not confer special treatment nor excuse criminal behaviour.
 

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I disagree with the people saying that because their actions were against the law, they were the wrong thing to do. What is legally correct and what is morally correct are sometimes two very different things, and stating that something is illegal is not the same as stating that something is wrong.

That said, Green Peace totally dropped the ball on this one (even by their standards). I mean I already think that their goals and their methods are stupid and counter-productive respectively, but when they actively hinder the very research that could prove them correct, I have to think something fishy is going on.

Either that or they're just idiots.

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Oh.
 

Moromillas

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200% in the wrong.

They destroyed someones research, and the research was to make a healthier wheat.

They(CSIRO) were following every necessary safety protocol, their reasoning is just ridiculous.
 

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Fundamentally speaking it is possible to say that genetic engineering as no different than selective breeding; at the most basic level this is fairly accurate, although both techniques are very different in how they achieve their results. With selective breeding, what you're doing is making sure that whatever species you're changing has the traits that you want them to have, genetic modification is just a more efficient and accurate method to achieve the same results.

Genetic modification doesn't add anything to the species that makes it worse, it only makes it better suited to our needs. GM food is basically a more selectively engineered version of the same species, but engineered so that it suits our needs more perfectly than its organic counterpart. That isn't to say that organic is worse, it is just less reliable than genetically modified food.

However, there is some hyperbole about organic food in the public eye and it is viewed are more "pure" and better for you, however organic food has no benefits over any other cultivation method, it's all the same stuff when you break it down.

This article here demonstrates this fact. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8174482.stm]

Both forms are on a pretty level playing field in terms of how "safe" they are, the risks are pretty much the same for both GM and "organic" foods. The combination of both is what we should be working towards. I suggest the book "Tomorrow?s Table" by Pamela Ronald (a plant genetic scientist) and her husband Raoul Adamchak (an organic farmer), which propagates a similar idea.

My basic point is that both are pretty much the same and we shouldn't be viewing it as a binary problem. This "us vs them" mentality is unproductive and genetically modified food is an inevitable advancement in agriculture as the needs for food rises with a growing population. What should be done instead is to drop the idea of "us vs them" and work together to strike a balance between the two, both organic and genetically modified food have their benefits and if we are going to move as a society then we need to accept both without stigma.


Ghengis John said:
No it's not. It's something different altogether. They may both attain the goal of change in a plant or animal but the process makes all the difference. Think of it this way: A nail and a screw are both fasteners. Yes? A screw is more advanced than a nail. Yes? Do you dive a nail with a screwdriver or a screw with a hammer? No. A nail is not a screw. A screw is not a nail. Anyone who tells you so is woefully misinformed.
Actually you're supposed to hammer in a screw with a hammer and remove it with a screwdriver, it's a common practice among carpenters.