Skyrim was fun, to an extent. The repetitive dungeons/caves and dragon battles, as wellas the ease of playing a sneaky archer left a lot to be desired. DAI may not be the best, but I honestly don't know what is.
Poll: Has Dragon Age Inquisition out-skyrimmed Skyrim?
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Yeah this is a complete apples to oranges comparison, pretty much the only thing the games have in common is that they fall under the VERY broad spectrum of "RPG".
Skyrim was basically an enormous sandbox to play around in and essentially craft your own story. The actual game story and character was completely secondary to the "do whatever you want" aspect of the game.
DAI was the complete opposite, emphasis is placed heavily on storyline and characters, and it isn't open world. You have set places that you may visit, and you don't have access to all of them from the get-go.
Personally, although I haven't finished DAI yet, Skyrim wins the award for simply being the better game to me, and with mods there is no question. I was really hoping that DAI was going to be a return to DA:O (which itself was essentially a return to the "Baldur's Gate" series) but instead (as others have mentioned) it just seems this big hodge-podge of various gameplay mechanics that only loosely fit together.
Skyrim was basically an enormous sandbox to play around in and essentially craft your own story. The actual game story and character was completely secondary to the "do whatever you want" aspect of the game.
DAI was the complete opposite, emphasis is placed heavily on storyline and characters, and it isn't open world. You have set places that you may visit, and you don't have access to all of them from the get-go.
Personally, although I haven't finished DAI yet, Skyrim wins the award for simply being the better game to me, and with mods there is no question. I was really hoping that DAI was going to be a return to DA:O (which itself was essentially a return to the "Baldur's Gate" series) but instead (as others have mentioned) it just seems this big hodge-podge of various gameplay mechanics that only loosely fit together.
What, did they actually just turn the entire game into Origins' Deep Roads sequence. Fuck that noise.Casual Shinji said:
Seeing as how the games are extremely different, I can't really make that call. DA:I has a focus on story, Skyrim has a focus on world exploration. DA:I is party based and third person, Skyrim is first person, etc. I get vastly different things out of the two games, and the similarities are only skin deep in my opinion. Comparing them is almost like comparing Duke Nukem 3D and X-Com based on the fact they both feature alien invasions...
I think I'm one of the few who actually likes the Deep Roads. It makes thematic sense in that it feels endless and daunting. It was kind of annoying for sure, but it did help to flesh out that part of the world.Soviet Heavy said:
In Inquisition it isn't so much that the areas are big, it's that they're filled to the brim with fluff. I don't think any of these huge maps have any sort of large story focused set pieces. It's just running around doing rather meaningless sidequest just to stock up on Power points so you can unlock main missions in the War Room. The areas certainly look very pretty, especially the Dalish, but that loses its luster after the umpteenth rift battle.
I watched an NCIS episode (it's the no. 1 TV drama) where the dude was playing DA Inquisition. Can't recall any Skyrim references on TV or Film.
Despite that, nah. From what I've seen DA: I is a lot emptier than Skyrim and it's only advantage over Skyrim is it's choose your own path mechanics.
Despite that, nah. From what I've seen DA: I is a lot emptier than Skyrim and it's only advantage over Skyrim is it's choose your own path mechanics.
Not fantasy so much as alternate world medieval simulator sandbox. However, even though it's not the greatest fantasy game of all time, I do consider it to be the greatest game of all time.Joseph Harrison said:
As Bat Vader already mentioned, if you want to actually make it a fantasy game, download mods. Perisno is definitely great, but it's not really complete. I'd recommend Prophecy of Pendor if you're looking for a finished, total conversion, fantasy mod. Just be prepared to either import a character, or die a lot in the early game.
OT: While I enjoyed Inquisition, for what I like in an open world fantasy game, nothing has really touched Skyrim for me. Wondering the world in Inquisition just doesn't feel as compelling as it does in Skyrim. To be honest, Inquisition kind of feels a little bit like an MMO in regards to its exploration. Nothing really wrong with that, but I definitely prefer Skyrim's (and all of the Elder Scrolls games for that matter) way of doing it.
I am a Dragon age fan and I like Dragon age: Inquisition but it does not beat Skyrim.
I still haven't even gotten past Skyhold on DA:I because while the actual dragon age parts of the game are fun, everything else is boring.
I enjoy the combat well enough, they somewhat streamlined some of the RPG elements but they actually compensated by adding new mechanics and it ends up being fun. I also enjoy the characters and even though the main story is as generic as elves having pointy ears I still find it well done and enjoyable.
What gives me so much difficulty playing it are the large open areas where you walk around this empty landscape doing boring, grindy and time wasting MMO style fetch quests. This is the worst part of the game and is incredibly boring. They tried to ape Skyrim and although IMO they failed, the game is held up by the decent combat and the remaining DA elements but since the main game was cut in favour of large open Skyrim style areas it cannot compete with Skyrim which just does it better.
Imagine if DA:O had these boring areas(Yeah I know they already had the deep roads haha" instead of any of the separate faction recruitment questlines. Imagine if instead of the questline to save redcliff and the arl it was just a large empty area with a bunch of people waiting to give you "Kill X zombies" or "Find X bottles of zombie rot away" until you had "saved" the village, then you move into the castle and repeat it.
Imagine if the mage tower was just wandering around lake calenhad until you killed enough generic enemies rather than fighting your way up through the tower, deciding what to do with the various mages you encounter, "let them live? Kill them? Let the blood mage escape? What about this bespelled Templar?" before having to make use of new mechanics to escape the sloth demons nightmare.
These cool levels are where DA:I fails because it doesn't have enough of them since large parts of the game feel like boring filler. The actual scripted main quests have been pretty cool so far and even though I've only gotten to Skyhold before making a new character I have greatly enjoy those parts of the game so far.
Now despite all this negativity I do enjoy the game and feel the open world could have worked. What I would have liked was for them to have a slightly more instanced open world. Instead of this giant but empty world it would be nice to have slightly smaller sections but with more interesting content. If they had actual events or quests like DA:Os that were then found in the open world then I think it could be a lot more fun.
TL;DR No DA:I does not beat Skyrims open world and I hope they go back to a more traditional format for the next game or innovate their open world a bit more.
I still haven't even gotten past Skyhold on DA:I because while the actual dragon age parts of the game are fun, everything else is boring.
I enjoy the combat well enough, they somewhat streamlined some of the RPG elements but they actually compensated by adding new mechanics and it ends up being fun. I also enjoy the characters and even though the main story is as generic as elves having pointy ears I still find it well done and enjoyable.
What gives me so much difficulty playing it are the large open areas where you walk around this empty landscape doing boring, grindy and time wasting MMO style fetch quests. This is the worst part of the game and is incredibly boring. They tried to ape Skyrim and although IMO they failed, the game is held up by the decent combat and the remaining DA elements but since the main game was cut in favour of large open Skyrim style areas it cannot compete with Skyrim which just does it better.
Imagine if DA:O had these boring areas(Yeah I know they already had the deep roads haha" instead of any of the separate faction recruitment questlines. Imagine if instead of the questline to save redcliff and the arl it was just a large empty area with a bunch of people waiting to give you "Kill X zombies" or "Find X bottles of zombie rot away" until you had "saved" the village, then you move into the castle and repeat it.
Imagine if the mage tower was just wandering around lake calenhad until you killed enough generic enemies rather than fighting your way up through the tower, deciding what to do with the various mages you encounter, "let them live? Kill them? Let the blood mage escape? What about this bespelled Templar?" before having to make use of new mechanics to escape the sloth demons nightmare.
These cool levels are where DA:I fails because it doesn't have enough of them since large parts of the game feel like boring filler. The actual scripted main quests have been pretty cool so far and even though I've only gotten to Skyhold before making a new character I have greatly enjoy those parts of the game so far.
Now despite all this negativity I do enjoy the game and feel the open world could have worked. What I would have liked was for them to have a slightly more instanced open world. Instead of this giant but empty world it would be nice to have slightly smaller sections but with more interesting content. If they had actual events or quests like DA:Os that were then found in the open world then I think it could be a lot more fun.
TL;DR No DA:I does not beat Skyrims open world and I hope they go back to a more traditional format for the next game or innovate their open world a bit more.
Not even close. Although the environments in dragon age are indeed beautiful, plenty and varied, they still have this "instanced" feel due to the war table being your main way of travel between these area's. In skyrim you could just ride/walk anywhere you pleased, without this instancing ruining the immersion a bit.
Something wasn't right with dragons age but I can't quite figure out my thoughts as to why, I loved Origins and DLC but for some reason I didn't really engage with Inquisition and only finished the Orlesian empress quest before I lost all eagerness to play. I played the fuck out of Skyrim however and really enjoyed the environments.
I disagree with your premise that Skyrim is the king of fantasy games.
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Apples are better than oranges.Ihateregistering1 said:
You mean an overhyped, depth lacking trudgeathon with a shallow crafting system and clunky combat that only got more buggy with each patch and can only be improved with modding?
Oddly enough Skyrim and Dargonage are quite similair in the worst possible ways but TES series Larger Modding potential is what lets it stay higher than DA:I will ever be.
Oddly enough Skyrim and Dargonage are quite similair in the worst possible ways but TES series Larger Modding potential is what lets it stay higher than DA:I will ever be.
Nah. the fact that DA: Inquisition isn't even the best of the series, Origins is by far the better game en RPG.
I never considered Skyrim King RPG, but think it was still a better game than DA: Inquisition.
I never considered Skyrim King RPG, but think it was still a better game than DA: Inquisition.
I've actually been having a lot of success with what I've dubbed 'Dragon Age Fitness'. Basically any time (which is quit often) I encounter a loading screen in DA:I I stand up, move my desk chair out of the way and do some combination of push-ups, squats and sit-ups until the game comes back. Over a long enough session this is actually quit a good workout and quit tiring.endtherapture said:
I'm actually more curious how the people who play these games on consoles ever finish them as, while better than Skyrim in this regard, DA:I has, according to its wiki, some near game breaking bugs and Skyrim can definitely go full Skyrim and just refuse to do what it's supposed to and without modders to fix these problems I don't see how a platform for which such fixes aren't an option is able to function. That said modding is IMO the biggest difference between these games. I'm nearly done with DA:I and I can't really imagine myself playing it again. I've been "done" with Skyrim for a while but if an interesting enough mod comes out it takes a lot less to get back into it.Laggyteabag said:
I would say that DA:I has two big issues with its attempts at being Skyrim-esque. The first is that the first area it throws at you (The Hinterlands) is just too damned big for the actual quantity of content (i.e. lots of walking around not doing much). The second is that for non-story areas the game doesn't do a very good job of indicating whether or not your appropriately leveled and kitted for the area which means is you aren't you're going to get your face stomped flat before being subjected to the aforementioned interminable loading screens.
Skyrim has kept it's popularity due to mods, DAI has no mods so chances of t surpassing it are slim to none
but don't get me wrong both games are great, and while it may sound contradictory I actually prefer DAI if only for the third person camera that actually works and looks cool, unlike Skyrim that looks like horse poop on a stick
but don't get me wrong both games are great, and while it may sound contradictory I actually prefer DAI if only for the third person camera that actually works and looks cool, unlike Skyrim that looks like horse poop on a stick
Inquisition does have mods http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/. We are never going to see the type of mods as in Skyrim because they are never going to release a toolset for Frostbite. I suppose we can hope that a modder comes up with a toolset though, as Warrenty Voider did with ME3Explorer.GZGoten said:
This thread is a hard one for me to answer though. I've never been a huge fan of the Elder Scrolls series because I like my role playing games to be story driven. So obviously Bioware was the one I gravitated to.
I loved Dragon Age: Origins. I can understand why some people don't like it, but to be the game hit every mark I wanted. Hell I could even tolerate Dragon Age II because of the brilliant party banter.
Then I reached Dragon Age: Inquisition and pretty much immediately got off to a bad start. I'm playing on PC and found the controls and UI to be completely iffy. They are certainly functional but why on Earth did they remove two of the control options from the previous games to focus on just one? The addition of a jump button wasn't a good enough reason.
None of the characters I've encountered so far are compelling in the slightest. Even Varric seems a pale shade of his former self. I can't even tell if the banter is good because it happens so infrequently.
Plus I find the combat completely boring. Any sense of tactics is lost simply because the AI doesn't do anything you tell them to. Try and tell a archer or mage to hang back and attack from a distance, they'll ignore you and try firing arrows from an inch in front of that huge melee monster.
I haven't yet got out of the starting area, I'm told the game gets a lot better when you do. The thing is I just can't bring myself to play for any more time on the hope that things will get better.