Poll: Help me people!

[The_Grenglish]

im doing a media project where i have to make up the question, and ive chosen the constant link between music lyrics and the glorification of crime.
now, being a heavy metal listener i have biased views, so im automatically gonna presume that hip-hop culture is gonna be more violent, so i want other peoples views
so debate people, which is the more violent? Metal music, or hip-hop?

 

[savandicus]

Not that i have masses of experience between the two but i've found that heavy metal music is usually much more about adding loads of effects to the instruments and having some sort of 5 minute solo that takes up most of the song. Whereas hip hop generally involves alot less instruments and alot more empthasis on the lyrics therefore allowing more violent messages to come through in the words of the song.

Metal - More violent to watch
Hip hop - More violent if you pay attention to the lyrics

As for the glorification of crime i'd say niether do it perticularry well and that rap would be the prime type of 'music' that glorifies crime.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Cannibal Corpse mate. Thats just strange. Even the worst hip-hop isn't as bad. But I guess Hip-hop is more glorifying of crime. With all the money pumped in it these days.

 

[Ibaapzo]

I have a biased opinion based on the fact that I also listen to heavier rock than rap. I would say that both are equally balanced in the aspect or violence, however. Sure, rap goes on about capping hoes on the street, but heavy-metal glorifies war and blood-shed. I suppose it depends on what the listener feels is more violent. :/ Arguably, I hear more rap about sex, drugs and bling than I ever do violence. To a degree, I also hear more heavy metal singing praises of love lost, sacrifice and sex.

Just my two cents.

 

[Jonathan Hexley]

Hip Hop can be violent, but Metal is violent to listen to, violent to watch, and just generally violent.
In conclusion, no idea.

 

[black lincon]

The only way that metal isn't more violent is if you only count hip-hop as gangster rap. I can show you plenty of hip-hop songs with little to no violence involved. How many metal songs can you show me with little or no violence?

 

[sequio]

Wait, if they're both violent isn't this like a trick question? Like asking who's the most suicidal between 2 people who commit suicide.

 

[Wormthong]

i said hip hop because it has been known to cause more driving accidents then any kind of metal (or music for that matter) in our country they did a survey.
and it seems when people in theyr cars lissen to hip hop they drive faster more reckless and more agresively whilst with metal they just drive a little faster
sorry for bad english dutch version of vista (grrrrrrrr)(not vista just dutch i hate my own language)

 

[The_Grenglish]

Wait, if they're both violent isn't this like a trick question? Like asking who's the most suicidal between 2 people who commit suicide.

quite true, but from some research it seems that the effect is different, i have no idea how, but hey
all your points are actually good, they seem just as bad, but it just depends on the light in which they are looked at

 

[mattttherman3]

Hip-hop, sometimes easier to understand the lyrics then metal tbh.

 

[Fallout 3 Addict]

As a metal head I am biased in the exact opposite way. The way I see it metal is about the darker side of humanity and so it talks about murder, war and rape and rap is about gay stuff like clothes and shiny things and stereotyping themselves

 

[black lincon]

The only way that metal isn't more violent is if you only count hip-hop as gangster rap. I can show you plenty of hip-hop songs with little to no violence involved. How many metal songs can you show me with little or no violence?

Several.
Sorry about the double post.

show me. I realize I'm just being as hard headed as idiots who denounce hip-hop without realizing that the genre lives beyond the confines of Compton but I've never actually heard of a type of metal that had nothing to do with violence of some kind.

 

[The_Grenglish]

The only way that metal isn't more violent is if you only count hip-hop as gangster rap. I can show you plenty of hip-hop songs with little to no violence involved. How many metal songs can you show me with little or no violence?

Several.
Sorry about the double post.

show me. I realize I'm just being as hard headed as idiots who denounce hip-hop without realizing that the genre lives beyond the confines of Compton but I've never actually heard of a type of metal that had nothing to do with violence of some kind.

i can say nothing, my favourite band at the moment is turisas, which is battle metal, so most things talk about vikings saxons etc...

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Metal Music, unless you listen to Hip Hop songs like "Gangster *****" i would just flip a coin and pick an apropriat band.

 

[coldfrog]

show me. I realize I'm just being as hard headed as idiots who denounce hip-hop without realizing that the genre lives beyond the confines of Compton but I've never actually heard of a type of metal that had nothing to do with violence of some kind.

First song to come to mind is "In Mist She Was Standing" by Opeth. In fact, the entire Orchid album contains (if I remember correctly) no violence whatsoever.

However, I'll concede that many metal bands offer violent lyrics, but what I find more acceptable is that it is frequently less realistic and more extravagant and outrageous than the raps about violence, which seem more realistic and true to what it might actually be like on the streets. It seems more likely to me that a kid will go out and shoot a homeless man than commit genocide and stand on a pile of burning corpses.

I still don't know which has more prevalent violence though. Or which has more effect on people.

 

[dtocs]

I dont think you can say one genre of music is more violent then another as the act of listening to one or the other doesn't result in violence. I think its all about culture in Finland most of the gangs are black metal orientated while in the USofA it seems to be Hip hop that rules the gang scene. As recent studies have shown that middle class listiners are more likly to listen to metal then hip hop they are more liekly to partake in casual violence witnessed at gigs, while due to the social economic class of hip hop listeners being some what poorer violent crime may be more a means to an ends. While there are most likely many exceptions to these rules, the study does suggest that it may not be music that influnce violance but more so other factors that get dragged into the culture suronding the music. Its unfair to say one is more violent then the other when in years down the line the culture may change just think about punks and mods

 

[Hippobatman]

Depends. Cannibal Corpse was mentioned, and also Slayer have violent lyrics.

I don't know about hip-hop really, because I avoid it like the plague.

 

[The_Grenglish]

I dont think you can say one genre of music is more violent then another as the act of listening to one or the other doesn't result in violence. I think its all about culture in Finland most of the gangs are black metal orientated while in the USofA it seems to be Hip hop that rules the gang scene. As recent studies have shown that middle class listiners are more likly to listen to metal then hip hop they are more liekly to partake in casual violence witnessed at gigs, while due to the social economic class of hip hop listeners being some what poorer violent crime may be more a means to an ends. While there are most likely many exceptions to these rules, the study does suggest that it may not be music that influnce violance but more so other factors that get dragged into the culture suronding the music. Its unfair to say one is more violent then the other when in years down the line the culture may change just think about punks and mods

DTOCS im not looking for a full theory, a couple of lines will do, and this isnt really relevent to the topic at hand

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

No one has mention this, but... Nine Inch Nails? Its less of actually coming out of it, but word play to mean something more sinister.

 

[Fightgarr]

Good Hip-Hop isn't generally that violent.
Terrible Hip-Hop is mostly ego-trippin'.
Hip-Hop Culture can be very violent.

Metal culture is also fairly violent.
Metal lyrics are often violent.

Conclusion: I generally consider metal more violent than hip-hop, but I can see that they both have connotations of violence because of the mainstream media.