Because of my work with homeschooling, I was able to take college credit classes for two years before I went off to actual school.JustaGigolo said:
That's not a waste. And you seem intent on ignoring my points
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That's not a waste. And you seem intent on ignoring my points
You're not backing up any of your statements with anything remotely resembling fact.JustaGigolo said:
What's up with all the people against it?
I was homeschooled and by the time I was 15 I had, according to the official tests I had to take every year, at least three subjects that I was at a college level at ... and I had been at a college level in those subjects for the past 2 or 3 years. Everything else I was either I was only 15 and yet way above my peers.
Plus, you don't have to deal with the usual pricks and bullies you find in school.
I was homeschooled and by the time I was 15 I had, according to the official tests I had to take every year, at least three subjects that I was at a college level at ... and I had been at a college level in those subjects for the past 2 or 3 years. Everything else I was either I was only 15 and yet way above my peers.
Plus, you don't have to deal with the usual pricks and bullies you find in school.
You're honestly saying that I would be better off not existing than being homeschooledJustaGigolo said:Maybe with a time machine we could stop your parents from meeting, so you wouldn't exist. It would be a better fate than being home schooled.CM156 said:You're not backing up any of your statements with anything remotely resembling fact.JustaGigolo said:
If you want to debate home schooling, by all means. Do so. Make a debate. I'm waiting.
Wait, if you didn't exist, I wouldn't have to go back in time to stop you from existing, but then you'd exist if I didn't go back,so you'd have to exist for me to go back in the first place.
Really?
You're gone so far into Poe's Law, I don't know where to start. Tell me, do you actually want to debate homeschooling? Yes or no. Simple question.
I was homeschooled for elementary school, so I'll give you my two cents.
If the parents buy the right books, a homeschooled kid will receive more formal education than any public elementary school student by a long shot, and more than private schools (depending on the private school of course). So, the upside is that the child grows intellectually and when he does receive education at an institution will be well prepared.
Another aspect of *American* homeschooling, however, is that they tend to be Christian based. This can be a pro or con depending where you stand on whether children should be taught religion or not at a young age. Most of the time though, the books will only have passing mentions of religion; the most I remember is a section in the grammar book teaching how God should be capitalized but gods shouldn't because God refers to a specific named entity.
A major downside is the lack of social interaction. I was particularly lonely during elementary, and only had my siblings basically to keep me company, despite going to the YMCA and such for activities. Thus, when I entered middle school, I was quite socially awkward.
As such, I personally think homeschooling is only advisable in elementary school, as parents definitely should be able to teach material of that level. In middle school, however, the lack of social interaction and the steadily increasing in challenge of the content being taught will hamper the child's progress, and upon reaching highschool homeschooling is simply not viable in my opinion.
It does have its advantages though. I was homeschooled elementary school, went to private school for middle school, a private boarding school for high school, and now attend Columbia University. I reckon my homeschooling had something to do with that. It's definitely not for everyone though; the parents have to be committed to teaching their kids and also foster social interaction so that when the child does eventually enter the real world they don't crash and burn.
If the parents buy the right books, a homeschooled kid will receive more formal education than any public elementary school student by a long shot, and more than private schools (depending on the private school of course). So, the upside is that the child grows intellectually and when he does receive education at an institution will be well prepared.
Another aspect of *American* homeschooling, however, is that they tend to be Christian based. This can be a pro or con depending where you stand on whether children should be taught religion or not at a young age. Most of the time though, the books will only have passing mentions of religion; the most I remember is a section in the grammar book teaching how God should be capitalized but gods shouldn't because God refers to a specific named entity.
A major downside is the lack of social interaction. I was particularly lonely during elementary, and only had my siblings basically to keep me company, despite going to the YMCA and such for activities. Thus, when I entered middle school, I was quite socially awkward.
As such, I personally think homeschooling is only advisable in elementary school, as parents definitely should be able to teach material of that level. In middle school, however, the lack of social interaction and the steadily increasing in challenge of the content being taught will hamper the child's progress, and upon reaching highschool homeschooling is simply not viable in my opinion.
It does have its advantages though. I was homeschooled elementary school, went to private school for middle school, a private boarding school for high school, and now attend Columbia University. I reckon my homeschooling had something to do with that. It's definitely not for everyone though; the parents have to be committed to teaching their kids and also foster social interaction so that when the child does eventually enter the real world they don't crash and burn.
I'm home schooled, been so for a few years, and it's fairly lonely and depressing. Could be in high school and socializing, but I'm no good at socializing. Although getting up when ever I feel like it is good.
I wouldn't personally home school my kids unless I absolutely had to, because I think the social experience of going to school with other people your age is just as important to your development as what you actually learn. However, I'm not going to try and tell other parents how to bring up their own children.
Depends...both homeschooling and public schools can provide a sub-par quality of education, not to mention the ideological factors that could be applied in both environments. For me it depends on each individual case.
Homeschooling is a fine idea, but public school is necessary. I don't care how much better educated your child is than the average public schooler, they need to be around other people, they need to learn to interact and deal with people. The best place to do that is at school.
Am I supposed to condense my entire view of education from primary to secondary school, and the relevant @home alternatives into a single paragraph? *sigh*
It depends.
It depends on so many factors that I honestly cannot give a straight yes/no answer. Except in one case: if you homeschool just so you can indoctrinate your child into whatever retarded cult you happen to follow, kindly go die in a fire.
Ok, real scenarios now. I suppose just about anybody is capable of doing at least a crappy job teaching elementary school material as the professionals, though then there's the issue of whether or not keeping a child that young from other children is beneficial in any way. I don't know the answer to that question, so I won't hazard a guess. I still remember being excruciatingly bored in elementary school, and I doubt I would have missed out on much if I had just stayed at home.
Ok, middle school. Now we're getting into matters of experience and knowledge on part of the instructor. Let's face it, not everybody can teach (that includes professional teachers as well). How would you explain elementary algebra, or the basics of science if you lack any background yourself? Yes, you could teach straight from the book, but that would make you a pretty crappy teacher. You will have to learn, a lot, and not just the answers to the problems from whatever book you are using. No, you will have to have a real understanding of the material. Again, I won't get into the whole socializing thing. I attended public school and turned out to be a veritable ass, so make of that what you will...
High school. Alright, now it's show time! Physics, math, chemistry, biology, geography, history, programing. Think you're up for it? In my high school, the teachers were required to have at least a bachelor degree in their subject, and some of them were still terrible! We're no longer at a point where feigning knowledge, or preaching from some textbook is sufficient. You have to have a real background now. Not some superficial "I took a class on it in college," but a real degree, and real experience. Without this, you're only holding your child back, and I'm willing to bet even farther than the public education system. Yes, you could still do this effectively, but you need to find other "teachers" with the necessary experience. I'd be very suspicious of any homeschooled college applicant whose parents did not hold at least one doctorate each. That social thing? Yeah, I was the awkward, kinda chubby nerd who always sat alone. Fuck that, I didn't miss out on anything anyway. Or in plain English, I'm not the sort of person whom you should ask about the importance (much less the desire for) of having a diverse social life in high school.
My father has a doctorate in electrical engineering, and my mother has one in chemistry. They are certainly more qualified than any (save one) teachers I've had, but that still wouldn't make them better at that job. I have two BSc degrees, and am currently in grad school for a MSc (followed hopefully by PhD). *I* am more qualified than a huge portion of teachers, and that still wouldn't make me a suitable replacement. My answer of "It depends" is really the only honest one I can give. There are loads of highly qualified people who simply cannot effectively teach, and there are tons of people who can easily get children to pay attention, but haven't got a clue about the relevant material. If you can make it work, great! If not, well, you're paying taxes anyway, might as well get the most out of it? I would like to stress though that I cannot recommend homeschooling past middle school. It's not for that bloody socializing claim, but because that is the point where real knowledge and experience are more important than anything else. Again, if you're a professor/Nobel laureate/Department Head, great! If not, please don't screw up another generation. Please?
It depends.
It depends on so many factors that I honestly cannot give a straight yes/no answer. Except in one case: if you homeschool just so you can indoctrinate your child into whatever retarded cult you happen to follow, kindly go die in a fire.
Ok, real scenarios now. I suppose just about anybody is capable of doing at least a crappy job teaching elementary school material as the professionals, though then there's the issue of whether or not keeping a child that young from other children is beneficial in any way. I don't know the answer to that question, so I won't hazard a guess. I still remember being excruciatingly bored in elementary school, and I doubt I would have missed out on much if I had just stayed at home.
Ok, middle school. Now we're getting into matters of experience and knowledge on part of the instructor. Let's face it, not everybody can teach (that includes professional teachers as well). How would you explain elementary algebra, or the basics of science if you lack any background yourself? Yes, you could teach straight from the book, but that would make you a pretty crappy teacher. You will have to learn, a lot, and not just the answers to the problems from whatever book you are using. No, you will have to have a real understanding of the material. Again, I won't get into the whole socializing thing. I attended public school and turned out to be a veritable ass, so make of that what you will...
High school. Alright, now it's show time! Physics, math, chemistry, biology, geography, history, programing. Think you're up for it? In my high school, the teachers were required to have at least a bachelor degree in their subject, and some of them were still terrible! We're no longer at a point where feigning knowledge, or preaching from some textbook is sufficient. You have to have a real background now. Not some superficial "I took a class on it in college," but a real degree, and real experience. Without this, you're only holding your child back, and I'm willing to bet even farther than the public education system. Yes, you could still do this effectively, but you need to find other "teachers" with the necessary experience. I'd be very suspicious of any homeschooled college applicant whose parents did not hold at least one doctorate each. That social thing? Yeah, I was the awkward, kinda chubby nerd who always sat alone. Fuck that, I didn't miss out on anything anyway. Or in plain English, I'm not the sort of person whom you should ask about the importance (much less the desire for) of having a diverse social life in high school.
My father has a doctorate in electrical engineering, and my mother has one in chemistry. They are certainly more qualified than any (save one) teachers I've had, but that still wouldn't make them better at that job. I have two BSc degrees, and am currently in grad school for a MSc (followed hopefully by PhD). *I* am more qualified than a huge portion of teachers, and that still wouldn't make me a suitable replacement. My answer of "It depends" is really the only honest one I can give. There are loads of highly qualified people who simply cannot effectively teach, and there are tons of people who can easily get children to pay attention, but haven't got a clue about the relevant material. If you can make it work, great! If not, well, you're paying taxes anyway, might as well get the most out of it? I would like to stress though that I cannot recommend homeschooling past middle school. It's not for that bloody socializing claim, but because that is the point where real knowledge and experience are more important than anything else. Again, if you're a professor/Nobel laureate/Department Head, great! If not, please don't screw up another generation. Please?
I'm home schooled and I am now in my 2nd year of high school in Illinois and I've found it to be great, I can get my work done at my own pace and have time to work on my hobby, computers. I have a good social life. To be honest most of the people at my local high school act incredibly stupid and I have not had a great experience in public school, our teachers here are crap and our school system at least here is terrible
It depends. If a home schooler receives some social interactions and maintains a normal social life then yes. But I think that he he was being made a social outcast because of his home schooling then no. As one of my teacher told me once, school is a place of learning but also a place for social interaction with others in order to develop new skills in groups. So, so long as the student get time to hang with his/her friends, then I am fine with it. If not, then no.
Really, it depends on the situation. I was homeschooled until 10th grade, and from then on I went to a public high school. Like a lot of other things in life, homeschooling is what you make of it.
The inherent flexibility allows motivated people to do very well; in many cases better than they could have in the traditional school system. This is especially true in areas with a low-performing public schools. However, there is little to nothing preventing someone from completely wasting their time and not learning anything.
As far as socialization is concerned; the same "it is what you make it" axiom holds here as well. Co-ops and private tutoring services exist that offer more traditional classroom-style courses in various subjects; particularly ones like science that individual households are unequipped to provide at home. Extracurricular activities are available too; the YMCA, various church, co-op, or community leagues in most popular sports.
Finally, it's worth remembering two points:
Firstly, that parental involvement is the number one predictor of student success and on average homeschooled students have higher levels of parental involvement than others.
Secondly, that merely attending a public school is no guarantee of anything; the public school system produces no shortage of academic failures and social misfits.
The inherent flexibility allows motivated people to do very well; in many cases better than they could have in the traditional school system. This is especially true in areas with a low-performing public schools. However, there is little to nothing preventing someone from completely wasting their time and not learning anything.
As far as socialization is concerned; the same "it is what you make it" axiom holds here as well. Co-ops and private tutoring services exist that offer more traditional classroom-style courses in various subjects; particularly ones like science that individual households are unequipped to provide at home. Extracurricular activities are available too; the YMCA, various church, co-op, or community leagues in most popular sports.
Finally, it's worth remembering two points:
Firstly, that parental involvement is the number one predictor of student success and on average homeschooled students have higher levels of parental involvement than others.
Secondly, that merely attending a public school is no guarantee of anything; the public school system produces no shortage of academic failures and social misfits.
/shrug honestly I am in favor for it. As for the social interactions, quite frankly I look around at people with "social skills" and Im not really seeing anything that serves as a benefit.
Personally I went completely through the public education system and I dont see my social skills being adequate anyway.
So yeah, Homeschool all the way. With the way the economy seems to be going it feels like that might be an inevitibility anyway.
Personally I went completely through the public education system and I dont see my social skills being adequate anyway.
So yeah, Homeschool all the way. With the way the economy seems to be going it feels like that might be an inevitibility anyway.
The reason I'm in favor is one of the cons you mentioned. Lack of social interaction. People are not worth the time and effort put into them, and separation from them helps concentration.
The first response capture my opinion perfectly. I'm not against it if the child is still getting a good education, but it does rob the child of the second function that school is for, getting kids comfortable in a social setting.ravensheart18 said:
eh. i voted against it even though i know it really depends. one of my best friends was home schooled for most of her life and is faaaaaaar more sociable than me, and i've gone to public school most of my life. the problem i have with home school is something i've experienced since i started college in the midwest (USA). people home school their kids to indoctrinate them with these, quite frankly, fucked up ideas. i'v seen stuff from white supremacy, christian hyper-extremism, to kids being trained by their parents to be ready for the coming human war after the rapture.
thankfully, a few of these kids dont actually believe what their parents shoved down their throats and are glad to be away from them, but there are too many children that have been permanently tainted by this shit. it may sound totalitarian, but one of the important parts of public school is to try and keep parents from poisoning their children with stuff that will make them incapable of functioning in modern society. to show children what the ideas of racial supremacy, religious extremism, militantism will not and should not be tolerated in today's world.
thats why i oppose home schooling.
thankfully, a few of these kids dont actually believe what their parents shoved down their throats and are glad to be away from them, but there are too many children that have been permanently tainted by this shit. it may sound totalitarian, but one of the important parts of public school is to try and keep parents from poisoning their children with stuff that will make them incapable of functioning in modern society. to show children what the ideas of racial supremacy, religious extremism, militantism will not and should not be tolerated in today's world.
thats why i oppose home schooling.
