Poll: Horror Movies and Sex.

[smearyllama]

You're not talking about horror movies, you're talking about "Slashers".

And all Slashers suck except for The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

I heard the original Halloween was praised by Ebert as a departure from the cliches of the genre.

OT: I don't watch a lot of horror films, but the ones I've seen didn't use a lot of sex/ nudity.
Well, maybe Alien(s) had some symbolism, but that was about it.

 

[Nalgas D. Lemur]

Sexual content is up there among jump scares and gore in the "things in horror that are just too easy and overdone and should therefore be minimized" category.

It's fine if the sex is actually related to the horror (like Pyramid Head being a representation of James's sexual frustration in SH2), but usually it's not. So it's just lame.

Very yes. The first thing I thought was that blood and gore and cheap startles are overused and over-relied on at least as much as sex and nudity, and probably a whole lot more. There's nothing inherently wrong with any of those things, but they aren't usually by themselves very compelling on more than a throwaway level. It's fine just for fun sometimes, but it gets old and is hard to make particularly memorable or give much substance to.

 

[Madara XIII]

You're not talking about horror movies, you're talking about "Slashers".

And all Slashers suck except for The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

You have a definite point, but the problem is that slashers get advertised as Horror movies and considering I've yet to come across a good recent horror movie then yeah. I'm kinda dried out here.

....wait. Damn you know what though? You're right. Oh well, maybe I was just looking for something to complain about. I blame Shitty Sci-Fy Channel Movies. Oh well

I blame the internet.... Seriously, I do!

All "good" Horror is generally about people who are isolated in one way or another. And it's hard to create a sense of isolation when nearly everyone has a cellphone, iPhone, or iPad.

Ah yes, the ADD Society where we have to constantly avert our attention from medium to medium so as to keep ourselves entertained at ever waking moment. It's truly tragic. Thus is why some of the greatest horror I've ever come across was either real life or a well written book or even Creepy Pasta.

 

[jameskillalot]

It's so stupid to try and cater to two opposite ends of a spectrum like that, though I suppose I'm one of the few people who doesn't watch horror movies just because of the needless sexualization of it. But it's good to know it annoys other people quite a bit as well.

 

[Madara XIII]

You're not talking about horror movies, you're talking about "Slashers".

And all Slashers suck except for The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

I heard the original Halloween was praised by Ebert as a departure from the cliches of the genre.

OT: I don't watch a lot of horror films, but the ones I've seen didn't use a lot of sex/ nudity.
Well, maybe Alien(s) had some symbolism, but that was about it.

Hehehe but it was Symbolism Done Right.

After All H.R. Giger made Horror Sexy, but still kept it scary. It was due to his paintings and works that the Aliens got their Design

 

[Casual Shinji]

You're not talking about horror movies, you're talking about "Slashers".

And all Slashers suck except for The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

I heard the original Halloween was praised by Ebert as a departure from the cliches of the genre.

I also heard he gave Revenge of the Sith 3 and a half stars out of 4.

I like the guy, but sometimes I completely disagree with him. Halloween is a fun movie, but it's not scary in the slightest.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

You're not talking about horror movies, you're talking about "Slashers".

And all Slashers suck except for The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

the original?

you mean the one with that ape running around with the tonka toy chainsaw?

lordy i laughed out loud at how pathetic that was, especially the ending when he tries to chainsaw through the fucking semi door and then is just standing there raging in the road swinging the chainsaw around like an idiot.


OT: you go into those movies expecting actual horror?

those kinds of movies are like pb & j, you need the sex to have them be hilariously bad slashers, as that's part of the point in going to see slashers.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

For some movies, like the Alien and Hellraiser series, sex is kind of needed since it's the central theme. Alien is all about rape (or rather, men being raped). Hellraiser is about the S&M. If those films gave up those gimmicks they wouldn't exist.

What I can't stand is when it's in there just to be in there. I liked your Friday remake reference but I thought you would go for the Nightmare on Elm Street remake instead. In the original, Freddy is a child killer who is burned to death and comes back to creatively kill teens while they sleep. The new Nightmare is about an alleged child molester who is burned to death by an angry mob. He comes back from the dead to stab 'teens' in their stomachs.

But I'm rambling now. I loved the Saw movies because they were basically nothing but Rube Goldberg-esq death sequences. There were undercurrents of sex (what with the bondage and all) but it didn't strike me as gratuitous...until the fourth or fifth movie that is.

I love me some blood and guts.

 

[AceTrilby]

I think that sex has it's place in campy horror films. Not so much the serious ones.

Worst example of sex shoehorned into a horror film was Raptor. Seven minute long sex scene, made up of repeating footage, just pan and scanned to make it look like it was different. SEVEN MINUTES of the same shitty softcore! I watched that with a friend and we were both literally so bored that I had to go and get a book to read to stop myself from slipping into a coma.

 

[Thespian]

In my eyes, including enough sexual imagery to draw people in and earn money whilst turning it into a really interesting look at sexuality under a twisted horror/thriller light = Perfection.

 

[smearyllama]

You're not talking about horror movies, you're talking about "Slashers".

And all Slashers suck except for The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

I heard the original Halloween was praised by Ebert as a departure from the cliches of the genre.

I also heard he gave Revenge of the Sith 3 and a half stars out of 4.

I like the guy, but sometimes I completely disagree with him. Halloween is a fun movie, but it's not scary in the slightest.

Maybe he saw a version where they replaced Anakin with an adorable puppy.
Maybe....

 

[Madara XIII]

In my eyes, including enough sexual imagery to draw people in and earn money whilst turning it into a really interesting look at sexuality under a twisted horror/thriller light = Perfection.

Thus is why we need an H.R. Giger Movie!!

 

[smearyllama]

In my eyes, including enough sexual imagery to draw people in and earn money whilst turning it into a really interesting look at sexuality under a twisted horror/thriller light = Perfection.

Thus is why we need an H.R. Giger Movie!!

Another one besides Alien?
I'd watch that.
Though, a slideshow of his works shown in theaters might do the job....

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Hellraiser 1/2 had rather a lot of sexual content I believe.

The main thing is Fear - and Fear of Sex is as prevalent as any other. Just running through some basic ones, we have Abuse, Smothering, Loss of Control, Disease, Performance, Self-Worth, Self-Image, Amputation, Incest, Vanity, Onanism, Religion...

Even going through your list : Alien is about Rape, The Thing - Disease/Trust/Betrayal, Pet Semetary - Trust/Betrayal, The Mist - Agoraphobia/Asphyxiation, The Shining - Loved One Possessed, Hellraiser 1 and 2 are posterchilds for BDSM, Pan's Labyrinth - Sadism/Elektra Complex/Menstruation, Justin Bieber's Never Say Never - Reverse Oedipus Syndrome.

A good horror movie touches on Primal fears. Sex has always been primal. And it sells.

 

[Casual Shinji]

In my eyes, including enough sexual imagery to draw people in and earn money whilst turning it into a really interesting look at sexuality under a twisted horror/thriller light = Perfection.

Thus is why we need an H.R. Giger Movie!!

That would probably be overkill.

It would most likely drive me absolutely fucking bonkers if I had to watch 2 hours of Giger's mind in motion.

I remember watching Eraserhead (basically David Lynch's mind in motion) and spending following week putting my brain back together.

 

[Madara XIII]

In my eyes, including enough sexual imagery to draw people in and earn money whilst turning it into a really interesting look at sexuality under a twisted horror/thriller light = Perfection.

Thus is why we need an H.R. Giger Movie!!

Another one besides Alien?
I'd watch that.
Though, a slideshow of his works shown in theaters might do the job....

AAAAAAAAAAACTUALLY There was a movie idea brought up in the 80s for some of his works of art. Basically a guy ends up landing in this space station and is greeted by the twisted images that you saw in that slide show

 

[Madara XIII]

In my eyes, including enough sexual imagery to draw people in and earn money whilst turning it into a really interesting look at sexuality under a twisted horror/thriller light = Perfection.

Thus is why we need an H.R. Giger Movie!!

That would probably be overkill.

It would most likely drive me absolutely fucking bonkers if I had to watch 2 hours of Giger's mind in motion.

I remember watching Eraserhead (basically David Lynch's mind in motion) and spending following week putting my brain back together.

Oh man there actually was a movie based around Giger's Sick and Twisted Images. Sort of an indirect sequel to Aliens about how in that time frame a man lands on a space station and comes across all of these people hooked up to those sexual and mindbending machines and screaming in ecstasy or agony. It got brought up in the 80s, but never really made it to film...

I'd so want it to. I've already read almost every one of Lovecrafts stories and I need a buzz to get me goin

 

[Rin Little]

Thank you!!! It made my day that someone did a thread about this topic! Sex scenes in movies irritate the hell out of me anymore! They're not needed and are just thrown in there to get people to come and see the film because there's barely any actually "scary" horror movies out there anymore. The Hostel movies were half-way to being pornos in their own right >.<

 

[smearyllama]

In my eyes, including enough sexual imagery to draw people in and earn money whilst turning it into a really interesting look at sexuality under a twisted horror/thriller light = Perfection.

Thus is why we need an H.R. Giger Movie!!

Another one besides Alien?
I'd watch that.
Though, a slideshow of his works shown in theaters might do the job....

AAAAAAAAAAACTUALLY There was a movie idea brought up in the 80s for some of his works of art. Basically a guy ends up landing in this space station and is greeted by the twisted images that you saw in that slide show

I see...
It might be a little hard to pull off, though.
I just find it hard to think of a plot that could support a good reason for something like what Giger draws.
Was the movie about a descent into madness type thing, or was it an alien space station?

 

[Madara XIII]

Hellraiser 1/2 had rather a lot of sexual content I believe.

The main thing is Fear - and Fear of Sex is as prevalent as any other. Just running through some basic ones, we have Abuse, Smothering, Loss of Control, Disease, Performance, Self-Worth, Self-Image, Amputation, Incest, Vanity, Onanism, Religion...

Even going through your list : Alien is about Rape, The Thing - Disease/Trust/Betrayal, Pet Semetary - Trust/Betrayal, The Mist - Agoraphobia/Asphyxiation, The Shining - Loved One Possessed, Hellraiser 1 and 2 are posterchilds for BDSM, Pan's Labyrinth - Sadism/Elektra Complex/Menstruation, Justin Bieber's Never Say Never - Reverse Oedipus Syndrome.

A good horror movie touches on Primal fears. Sex has always been primal. And it sells.

Damn...you're right especially about Hellraiser and Aliens, but the Aliens one is a bit more subtle. The thing is that if it just serves as eye candy (Naked Women) then it really doesn't seem necessary nor does it seem all that scary unless the element of rape comes in.