Poll: Horror Movies and Sex.
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Alien Space Station. Although the descent to madness would be a good premise as well.....seeing society and everyone you know only as Giger Versions of themselves....Oooh I get goosebumps just thinking about it.smearyllama said:
That could work.Madara XIII said:
I was thinking the station might have been overtaken by a sort of biomechanical Dead Space type infection.
I like this idea.
It should be a John Carpenter/ H.R. Giger coalition project.
I'm a bit split on this.
I can see your point, but only if the hot stuff is clearly detracting from the movie, like an overdone long-dragged product placement [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HpIZrOH4zc] I don't mind the subtle kind, as long as it makes sense in the universe, seeing a commercial for cola on a truck, or poster in the city makes perfect sense, and doesn't seem forced at all. It's kind of the same with sexy stuff in horror movies.
If a horror movie is good enough to stand solid without ass and titties, then it's probably also good enough, to have them in it, without ruining it. While it might not make it better, it's still not gonna make me dislike it just for that.
Maybe it's just because i have a hard time taking the average slasher serious as anything other than a random gore-fest.
I can't think of a horror movie that have been ruined for me by malplaced sexual content.
I can see your point, but only if the hot stuff is clearly detracting from the movie, like an overdone long-dragged product placement [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HpIZrOH4zc] I don't mind the subtle kind, as long as it makes sense in the universe, seeing a commercial for cola on a truck, or poster in the city makes perfect sense, and doesn't seem forced at all. It's kind of the same with sexy stuff in horror movies.
If a horror movie is good enough to stand solid without ass and titties, then it's probably also good enough, to have them in it, without ruining it. While it might not make it better, it's still not gonna make me dislike it just for that.
Maybe it's just because i have a hard time taking the average slasher serious as anything other than a random gore-fest.
I can't think of a horror movie that have been ruined for me by malplaced sexual content.
Sex isn't just in there to pander to the main demographic of slasher films, it's actually a cinematic device. Generally, sex is considered a 'sin'; this means that if people have sex in a horror, particularly a slasher, they are going to die. There is an actual reason for this; i think it was Hollywood's way of being critical of the very things it was trying to portray, such as debauchery and amorality in horror flicks. especially in the Golden Age of Hollywood, where everything was censored with extreme prejudice. When i was doing my A-levels at school, i actually examined this in great detail in Film Studies, but i damn well forgot most of it now. Seriously though, any characters who are appear sexy, lewd or have sex are always going to be 'punished' by the big bad. This is sometimes averted if the person is about to have sex, but then they don't go through with it either by choice or no.
This is why they WON'T do it, but they damn well should.PixelKing said:
It annoys me to no end when they do this. "Oh, I'm so scared because I'm being chased by this murderer, and you can totally tell because I'm an actress! Oh no, my shirt was ripped by some random occurance, but I'm going to keep running with my big fake breasts bouncing all over the place becuase I'M SOOOO SCARED RIGHT NOW!"
The worst thing is if a mostly good movie does it. I mean, it doesn't need it, and it makes me feel embarassed for liking it.
But granted, if done right, sex can be used to scare the hell out of people. If you attempt to close yourself off from your natural "F*** ALL the things!" instincts, and look at the sexual act outside of that instinctive context, it's kinda horrifying.
Spoilered for sake of any kiddies (though, why a kid who doesn't know of the basic act would be in this thread is beyond me);
The male inserts a part of himself (a very precious part) into a part of a female that looks kinda like some bizarre alien jaws, and then the male must pull it in and out until a visquous liguid comes out full of tiny organisms that swim up inside the female, combines with a tiny organism inside herself, which then grows inside of her. Welcome to the wonderful oddly lovecraftian world of sex, people!
Sex brings up a whole bunch of common psychological phobias and neuroses. Fear of loss of reproductive organs, fear of not satisfying your partner, fears of a multitude of sexual mishaps, and common amongst the young adult audience that horror tends to be targeted at, fear of pregnancy, childbirth, and the responsibilities that come with it.
Used right, these things can mess with the audience's minds and disturb them, making them ripe for the scaring! Alien is a great example. John hurt's little bundle of...teeth is a kind of role reversal, the sexual act becoming involuntary and invasive for the male, exacerbated by the fact that the alien's heads look weeeeellll...like...a hot dog. Oh, and the tendency for the aliens to impale people with their tails. Not only that, but the birth kills it's "mothers". This works on several levels. The fear of general sexual mishap, the fear of the physical trauma involved in childbirth, and most of all I feel, the fear of the responsibilities of parenthood. Going back to that teenage demographic horror tends to go for, back when teen mom wasn't on, having a kid at that young an age was just as much a death sentence to young people as john hurt's massive hole in his chest. Sure, it (probably) doesn't kill young parents, but the life they probably thought out, going onto further education, travelling, being "loose", that life is over.
This also works in games. Time for artsy horror gaming's poster child, Silent hill 2, to do it's duty again! Major spoilers ahead!
Practically EVERYTHING in silent hill 2 is about sex. Let's get the spoiler outta the way for those who don't care. Are you sure you wanna know? You're robbing yourself of a great twist here. We cool? Okay. Silent hill 2 protagonist James sunderland's wife, mary died two years prior to the game from some unidentified disease, OR SO IT SEEMS. He recieves a letter beckoning him to the ol' tourist deathtrap silent hill, their "special place". When he reaches the intended "special place", their old hotel room in the lakeview hotel, james finds via video nasty that he mercy killed mary because 1) She asked him and 2) James was frustrated by the fact that the disease had stole the women he loved (and lusted for) and replaced her with a barely living husk. Every monster in the game is a symbol of this largely sexual frustration. The men in sacks that spit acid? Look closely. The shape suggests a women in a sack, and she's wearing a thong and high heels. Dear god, I do not want to see the rule 34 for that. The nurses are obvious sex symbols, and then there's the bandages around their faces, a symbol of sickness and of the modus operandi used to kill mary (smothering via pillow), and I almost want to see the rule 34 of that, but fear what I might find. Oh, and of course, pyramid head. That huge knife? Not compensating for something, symbolising something. Oh, and there's the fact that half the time when you find pyramid head just chillin' he's raping one of the other monsters, and thanks to somewhat mean friends, I have seen the rule 34 of that, and it is just as bad as you think. Then there's maria, a super sexualised version of the slightly prudish mary. Silent hill 2: the horror game where you're chased around by your own sexual desires. Kinda like that nightmare I had after my first masturbation.
Woah, kinda burned through a wall of text there. didn't intend to, but if you hollywood producers (and perhaps programmers) want sexual content so much, that's how to do that. It may be easy to sell sex to teenagers, but unless you make proper disturbing horror, those teens will look back to your boobs and blood fest after the block of pure sex drive that is young adulthood passes, and instead of still being scared sh**less, they'll say "Damn, I must have been real desperate to see some boobs if I paid to sit through this s***" and isn't the lasting legacy what matters?
Well, not to you, you bloodsucking profiteering a**holes, but to, you know, decent people.
Oh come on it's like the biggest no no in a horror situation to have sex or be sexy. You can't take Death by Sex [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathBySex] out.
As much as I want Death By Sex out I know it will stick.xXxJessicaxXx said:
I mean c'mon! Friday the 13th:
Girl:"Hey isn't that the bed that belongs to the little kid who drowned in this old abandoned house!?"
Guy: "Yep....Let's have sex in it!!!"
Me: *Facepalm*
It's a good money maker. And horror movies are generally struggling in the money department anyway, because they don't get much backing.
Maybe if they did a Silent Hill 2 Movie and Pyramid Head got his hands on one of the Nurses maybe......Sober Thal said:
BRB gonna go change my pants
Pyramid Head was one of the few things that wasn't somehow related to James' sexual frustration. He served as a representation of the punishment that James felt he deserved. It's also arguable that Pyramid Head is derivative of the darker part of James' soul. Acts that James might have thought about or even done, like rape and murder, and the constant twitching symbolizing his needs, emotions and fears.EmperorSubcutaneous said:
Back on topic: If they avoided the sex appeal, it'd be easier for people to notice how awful the film is. [Author's note: It seems like every horror movie sucks. Please prove me wrong.] If they want to do a movie that way, more power to them.
[small]Silent Hill and A Serbian Film are good and well-done horror films, though I didn't find either of them to be 'horrific.'[/small]
Of course. I was more specifically referring to Pyramid Head's habit of raping (being one of the few clearly recognizable sexual things we see in the game), but I didn't want to go into too much detail because I figured most people would know what I meant.EcoEclipse said:
One of the cool things about Silent Hill is that everything symbolizes multiple things.
Wait....A Serbian Film!??!EcoEclipse said:
*THROWS MY NECRONOMICON OUT THE WINDOW*
Gonna bite my tongue on that movie. It wasn't the sex, but the outright absurdity and the bullshit argument and symbolism the director said he was making.......MY ASS IT WAS SYMBOLIC!!
Well, I enjoyed it. The way the story was told was done well, I think, and the thriller elements kept me engaged. Symbolism isn't necessarily my forte, and if I knew about the history of Serbia a little more maybe I could have some sort of insight, but as it stands I'll just take his word for it.Madara XIII said:
Fair enough. To be honest, I was just reading from Pyramid Head's http://silenthill.wikia.com page.EmperorSubcutaneous said:
Hmm to each his own I suppose...Oh and to quote the movie...EcoEclipse said:
This calls for..NEW BORN PORN!!!!