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[s0denone]

Hilarious how someone linked the follow short comic in the thread:

Spoiler

Try going on your computer and writing things like "I really don't like black people today" and see if you'll be construed as a racist. Writing "I really don't like gays today" as see if it looks like homophobia. Etc.

The total lack of awareness is staggering, frankly.

 

[s0denone]

On the other hand, if you read that comic and the thing that leaped out at you as the great crime against humanity was some hypocrisy on social media...

What? The point about the comic itself is quite clearly the hypocrisy on social media. That is the punchline.

Sure paint me some kind of villian because I don't point out the evil of some innocent women being assaulted. Of course I sympathise with her struggle and that of all other transsexual people, but that wasn't my fucking point, nor was it the point of the comic.

The creator doesn't understand that making blanket statements such as "I hate x(sex/race/creed/whatever)" will always be harmful and that their family and friends are very right in calling them out on it. Being accosted by two assholes suck, but what if they had been black? Would she have been in her right to write "I hate black people today"? How do you think that would have gone?

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

I didn't paint you as anything, I just pointed out something about selective outrage that you apparently aren't enjoying the sound of.

I reported your post for moderation as it seems pretty clear you're not here for discussion or debate, but merely to troll and incite a response.

In case it isn't so, I am very curious about this apparent "selective outrage" and how it wasn't covered in my reply to you. Thanks.

In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.

 

[s0denone]

In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

Yes. The punchline of the comic is the social networking, i.e. "not even here can I vent my frustrations".
I didn't know it was based upon real events and that really fucking sucks, but that still doesn't change the fact that the punchline of the comic displays such a colossal lack of awareness.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.

What? Where and how did I do that? Stop making up these god damn arguments all the time.

You and I have had this exact discussion before, albeit in slightly other words. I have tried explaining to you how extremely harmful it is to reinforce the divide between "cis" and "trans" by creating a "us and them" atmosphere. This comic does that exact fucking thing, by thinking it should be alright to write inane bullshit such as "I hate all cis people today" and not having to deal with blowback.

"Cis" is the opposite of what? Gay? Trans?

"I hate all gay people today" or "I hate all trans people today" just look at those two statements. They are mindblowingly asinine and should never be written by anyone. I'm sure they are, and those people who write them are useless fucktards and need to be educated asap, but that doesn't make it right for you, or anyone, to engage in similar rhetoric and simply turning it around on them... ESPECIALLY NOT when you are the far minority, as it will only HARM your case and strive for acceptance and normalcy.

EDIT: It is very simple. What if I was on your facebook and wrote a status message that said "I hate all trans people today". Would your first reaction be to call me out for being a transphobic idiot or to ask me "Oh really dear? Whatever could those nasty transpeeps have done to you this time??" What if it was something I wrote every other day?

It isn't about the authors social circle being self-centered and uncaring, it is about the author not realising that they are spewing idiotic bile and expecting it to be taken seriously.

"I was assaulted by two assholes today" what do you think the response would be?
"Two dickheads pushed me randomly today, thanks for acceptance zz" what response?

Hey maybe you could be a member of the KKK.
Let's say you're white and you get assaulted by three black dudes. You write on facebook:

1) "I was assaulted by three black dudes today"
2) "Three fucktards stole my wallet+phone today, just FYI. Thankfully I got insurance"
or
3) "I hate all black people".

Fucking think about it.

 

[s0denone]

Being accosted by two assholes suck, but what if they had been black? Would she have been in her right to write "I hate black people today"? How do you think that would have gone?

I must've missed the part of the comic where it was made clear that she held bigoted feelings towards cisgender people based on their gender identity. You see, my interpretation of it is that two assholes mistreated her and her friend because of their gender identity and she went to vent about them and other such people committing such abuses. I don't see where she's angry at cisgender people for existing.

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You missed the last panel of the comic? The punchline? "I hate all cis people today". While you and I know the context of the protagonist (which I understand is based on real events) then we can extrapolate and realise that "Ah, she is hating cis people TODAY because TODAY they were fucking with her, AGAIN. She also probably didn't really mean "all" cis people, but was just really frustrated about what happened and needed to vent some frustration" but if you're just some Joe Dickhead on facebook you don't have that backstory, you just see some idiotic rambling about hating "cis" people, a demographic you're probably a part of. You've likely supported the protagonist before and she should know you stand by her, yet she keeps making these status updates about how people with the same circumstance as you are bad and generalizing about them. You feel personally hurt and it drives a divide in between your friendship or family bond. Of course you react like her friends or family reacts in the last panel.

If the assaulting party was black and attacked the other party because they weren't they said "I really hate black people today" it'd look bad, no doubt, but if viewed within the context of the events - being assaulted by people on the basis of their race, being on the receiving end of extreme institutional and cultural racism every day, half of their family hating and disowning them for being a certain race, etc, and whenever they talked about their experiences of being victimized on the basis of their race that everybody else collectively ignored it or dismissed it entirely as inconsequential, non-existant or deserved, well, you'd probably cut them some slack. Context is key, always.

But that is the point. The context isn't fucking given.

If the protagonist doesn't actually "hate all cis people" then maybe she shouldn't write that without any further context. I can't say "I hate all black people today" and expect it to go over well, with no explanation... And even with explanation and context that shit would look hella fucking shady.

"I hate all trans people today" - looks great right? Clearly.

Don't you understand that blanket statements like those are, even with context, ALWAYS bad? Isn't the PC police always up in arms about "Not all muslims are x", "Not all black people are x", where the "cisgender" police? Of course not all cis people are bad, so theres no reason to make blanket statements as if they are.

If someone on my facebook feed made remarks like those ("I hate all cis people") I would immediately inform them that I would delete them as a result and then go ahead and do it. Unless they were a close family member, in which case I would first be extremely disappointed and then proceed to call them and talk until they saw the error of their actions. Posting inane bullshit like that serves no positive function, ever.

 

[NiPah]

I didn't paint you as anything, I just pointed out something about selective outrage that you apparently aren't enjoying the sound of.

I reported your post for moderation as it seems pretty clear you're not here for discussion or debate, but merely to troll and incite a response.

In case it isn't so, I am very curious about this apparent "selective outrage" and how it wasn't covered in my reply to you. Thanks.

In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.

Without context I wouldn't blame the friends/family for just caring about their own feelings, all they see is a person being an asshole.

Sure she's venting, but she's doing it in about the dumbest way possible, no context and just exclaiming her hate of everyone who's a certain type of gender, if they said that after reading the complete story then yes it's have a point about only caring about themselves, as it stands it's just a normal reaction to a slight slam, not very poignant.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

Yes. The punchline of the comic is the social networking, i.e. "not even here can I vent my frustrations".
I didn't know it was based upon real events and that really fucking sucks, but that still doesn't change the fact that the punchline of the comic displays such a colossal lack of awareness.

No the punch line is: "I'm obviously upset and the first thing they do is get all pissed off about is my being unhappy with cis people? Fucking seriously?!"

The lack of awareness is one from cis people, sometimes I feel this response is intentional when it comes up too... Because it's literally ignoring a physical assault against a trans person, and Jessica U. is a US citizen where what happened was legally battery... Though going to the police she just risks further mistreatment because she is trans, her only option is to vent. The fact is when she vented she got shat on for venting against cis people, rather than getting any basic sympathy. That's the whole point of the comic, failing to see that isn't a lack of awareness, it's a dishonest attempt to conflate someone's harmless venting with real bigotry that leads to people being assaulted, raped and killed.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.

What? Where and how did I do that? Stop making up these god damn arguments all the time.

You and I have had this exact discussion before, albeit in slightly other words. I have tried explaining to you how extremely harmful it is to reinforce the divide between "cis" and "trans" by creating a "us and them" atmosphere. This comic does that exact fucking thing, by thinking it should be alright to write inane bullshit such as "I hate all cis people today" and not having to deal with blowback.

"Cis" is the opposite of what? Gay? Trans?

"I hate all gay people today" or "I hate all trans people today" just look at those two statements. They are mindblowingly asinine and should never be written by anymore. I'm sure they are, and those people who write them are useless fucktards and need to be educated asap, but that doesn't make it right for you, or anyone, to engage in similar rhetoric and simply turning it around on them... ESPECIALLY NOT when you are the far minority, as it will only HARM your case and strive for acceptance and normalcy.

I didn't "make up" a "god damn argument", I presented you with the fact that you ignored the context to take a swing at a person's reasonable venting. When cis, hetero, and white people say these same sorts of things they automatically get the benefit of the doubt... Well unless they're a celebrity, then it's used to rip them to shreds in the public eye, because everyone loves a celebrity controversy, even if it destroys someone's career in the process. Still my point stands.

Further more, you're making a false argument with the accusation of trans people reinforcing an "us versus them" mentality. The reason for that is that cisgender people do not get specifically targeted to be assaulted, raped, and/or murdered just because they're cisgender. Cisgender people are allowed to exist and live their lives totally unchallenged due to their gender identities, trans people are not, laying the blame for the friction here on trans people is really intellectually dishonest.

Cis as in cisgender, which is the opposite of transgender, like how Transalpine Gaul is the on the far side of the Alpine mountains of Cisalpine Gaul from Rome.

When a cis person says "I hate all trans people today", or a straight person says "I hate all gay people today", they generally get the benefit of the doubt, even from trans and gay folk. Generally because most people read a whole statement like that as in the context and see the word today and realize it's a statement of temporary frustration. You claiming that this harms our normality is just another hand-wave of the very real issues trans people face, dismissing the far greater issues and greater challenges we face just to live our daily lives. Along with the fact that we're supposed to take every ounce of the horror we face daily with a smile and kindness, when the same standards are not applied to the majority, that's a real double standard we face. You're still flat ignoring that issue, putting your own personal sensibilities ahead of the issues that a group, which you're refusing to offer any real understanding to, faces.

Not to mention that you started this exchange by trying to make a joke out of "the lack of awareness" trans folk show, how you find that to be funny. The fact that the comic exists and highlights the situation and the lack of empathy we get when we're upset, shows the self-awareness of the comic. It actively shows how cis folk will get all outraged at the tiniest thing because a trans person is upset, while showing how trans folk are always supposed to put the feelings of cis people first, then when we fail at that, we catch all of the flack for it.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

I didn't paint you as anything, I just pointed out something about selective outrage that you apparently aren't enjoying the sound of.

I reported your post for moderation as it seems pretty clear you're not here for discussion or debate, but merely to troll and incite a response.

In case it isn't so, I am very curious about this apparent "selective outrage" and how it wasn't covered in my reply to you. Thanks.

In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.

Without context I wouldn't blame the friends/family for just caring about their own feelings, all they see is a person being an asshole.

Sure she's venting, but she's doing it in about the dumbest way possible, no context and just exclaiming her hate of everyone who's a certain type of gender, if they said that after reading the complete story then yes it's have a point about only caring about themselves, as it stands it's just a normal reaction to a slight slam, not very poignant.

The fact is I see the opposite all the time from the other side, and the cisgender, or heterosexual people who say "I hate gay/trans people today" always get sympathy, even from trans and gay folk. The worst blow back they get generally is: "I understand how you feel, but you could have worded your first post better." The kneejerk reactionary blowing back like in the comic is generally exclusively directed at trans and gay folk, mostly because cis-het folk tend to feel threatened by our very existence.

 

[s0denone]

Snip

Here's my EDIT to the post you quoted, I don't think you saw it:

EDIT: It is very simple. What if I was on your facebook and wrote a status message that said "I hate all trans people today". Would your first reaction be to call me out for being a transphobic idiot or to ask me "Oh really dear? Whatever could those nasty transpeeps have done to you this time??" What if it was something I wrote every other day?

It isn't about the authors social circle being self-centered and uncaring, it is about the author not realising that they are spewing idiotic bile and expecting it to be taken seriously.

"I was assaulted by two assholes today" what do you think the response would be?
"Two dickheads pushed me randomly today, thanks for acceptance zz" what response?

Hey maybe you could be a member of the KKK.
Let's say you're white and you get assaulted by three black dudes. You write on facebook:

1) "I was assaulted by three black dudes today"
2) "Three fucktards stole my wallet+phone today, just FYI. Thankfully I got insurance"
or
3) "I hate all black people".

Fucking think about it.

I don't think it changes much, though. If anything, the fact that you cannot comprehend how it is harmful to your situation to openly spout bile like "I hate all cis people" without any context whatsoever is simply reinforcing the fact that there is a total lack of awareness on your end.

Lack of awareness, apparently, to the point of making this entire discussion an absolute waste of time.

I think you're a genuinely nice and caring person, and you want the best for yourself and those you care about. I respect that. You really need to change some things though, as you really push people away with your combative attitude and jumping to conclusions.

My point was the lack of context given in the end "I hate all x" sentiment in the end, and the fact that such a sentiment was uttered at all. It was never about belittling the struggle of transsexuals, and the fact that you claim that is what I was doing doesn't make it true.

Having specific points of contention doesn't mean I hold no opinion on other things. Your first reply to me was telling me I was part of the problem of transsexuals being assaulted and murdered or something equally astronomically offensive. There is no drive to debate with you, when you've already set me up as an oppressor even though I have done nothing wrong, and then proceed to view all of my points through some kind of oppressomatic-glasses.

So in other words, I believe we are done here. Have a good day/night, wherever you are. Cheerio.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

-snip-

To answer the first question to your edit, if I had you on Facebook I'd probably know your personal history with trans people. Since the only people I know on Facebook are people who are family, or friends I've met in person. In which case I'd say what you said was an example of shitty bad wording, but I'd also still offer some basic understanding. With my trans friends I see this sort of thing all the time, their cis friends and families saying stupid, shortsighted, and overly generalized shots aimed straight at the entire trans community. We bend over backwards to understand what's going on when things like this happen, we do not get a slight fraction of the same courtesy in return.

As for my being combative, well considering that with people I don't know intimately, when I'm not assertive people walk all over me... Yeah that's not me harming a community, or pushing people away, it's my refusal to be a doormat.

The reason I brought up the comparative crime rates is to prove a point, that being this:The tiny minority of the population that transgender people make up are not a threat to the cisgender majority. We cannot realistically harm the cisgender minority the same way they're destroying us through both legal and illegal means. Yet we're the ones who are expected to walk on eggshells not the cis people who are literally apathetic to our struggles.

 

[Saulkar]

snippa-dee doo

For what it's worth I am not bothered by the term cis

It seems to be a hot topic in this thread but one thing I will say is I really hate the word cis. I cannot describe it but it is phonetically very unpleasant. Unlike the word trans, that word is phonetically pretty cool and more than meets the eye. XD

And it has nothing to do with labels, I do not mind being labeled but if you are going to label me, make sure you label me correctly as an autistic, bisexual scaly... OH DEAR GOD! I am a walking stereotype of the fandom! Abort, abort!

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

snippa-dee doo

For what it's worth I am not bothered by the term cis

It seems to be a hot topic in this thread but one thing I will say is I really hate the word cis. I cannot describe it but it is phonetically very unpleasant. Unlike the word trans, that word is phonetically pretty cool and more than meets the eye. XD

This is the real reason everyone hates cis. Because it means they are not trans, which they associate with being both an awesome car and a more awesome robot AT THE SAME TIME.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

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You missed the last panel of the comic? The punchline? "I hate all cis people today".

No, pretty sure I saw it. Its basically the entire message of the strip. Person gets assaulted for being trans and her supposed friends and family only care about not getting generalized rather than actually being any sort of helpful or supportive.

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Perhaps if the comic made it clear that her friends and family were aware of the assault that might be the message to take away from it, but the comic gives no indication that she's made any attempt to tell them. How exactly are they supposed to care about something she hasn't even told them? Or are they just supposed to assume she's justified in writing what ever she writes?
And considering her (presumably) cis friends and family fall into the category of people she's declaring her hatred of, they're well within their rights to call her out for it. Likewise, she's well within her rights to post what she wants, but no one is obligated to give her a free pass when she's telling them she hates them. And if she doesn't actually hate them then perhaps she ought not say such things.
As for this idea of venting, why not privately contact someone to talk about it with, rather than publicly declaring your hatred for (probably) upwards of 90% of your social media friends and wondering why they don't understand that you can apparently do no wrong.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

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You missed the last panel of the comic? The punchline? "I hate all cis people today".

No, pretty sure I saw it. Its basically the entire message of the strip. Person gets assaulted for being trans and her supposed friends and family only care about not getting generalized rather than actually being any sort of helpful or supportive.

...

Perhaps if the comic made it clear that her friends and family were aware of the assault that might be the message to take away from it, but the comic gives no indication that she's made any attempt to tell them. How exactly are they supposed to care about something she hasn't even told them? Or are they just supposed to assume she's justified in writing what ever she writes?
And considering her (presumably) cis friends and family fall into the category of people she's declaring her hatred of, they're well within their rights to call her out for it. Likewise, she's well within her rights to post what she wants, but no one is obligated to give her a free pass when she's telling them she hates them. And if she doesn't actually hate them then perhaps she ought not say such things.
As for this idea of venting, why not privately contact someone to talk about it with, rather than publicly declaring your hatred for (probably) upwards of 90% of your social media friends and wondering why they don't understand that you can apparently do no wrong.

Two things, which everyone keeps disregarding: Most of us in the trans community have seen a friend, or family member whose of a socially privileged group(I.E. white, cisgender, and/or heterosexual) get away with saying "I hate *blank* people to day"... In a Racist, transphobic, homophobic, sexist, or other bigoted fashion, and get basically no blow-back from it. The other is that we have a group of privileged people(cisgender people), showing absolutely no empathy for a group of people who are literally denied life for being who we are.

All this mind you over "die cis scum" and how people feel about the terms "cis" and "cisgender"... I'm sorry but defending the feelings of a group that is virtually solely responsible for the actual demonstrable suffering and death of another group, even if the latter hurt the former groups precious little feelings... This whole argument doesn't fly. We literally have people claiming that "cis" is used as a slur comprable with the likes of "******", "*****", "******", and "tranny". Except for one thing, the former word isn't used to cause massive public social shunning, or incite actual violence. People don't shout "cis scum" then beat up, or murder a cisgender person, but the other slurs are used to incite that kind of violence.

The whole argument of "hate only begets more hate" falls understandably on deaf ears, when you're comparing frustration of a minority group with no real power, to a majority group that actually causes the suffering of the minority group in question. It is so intellectually dishonest to compare feelings to wide spread demonstrable discrimination and suffering, especially when you're defending feelings of the group that allows the suffering to happen. You can "well not all cis people" until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that most cis folk who aren't actively contributing to the suffering, are instead ignoring that it even happens.

In that context, the feelings of a group, that doesn't face the issues trans people face on a daily basis, are essentially meaningless.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

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You missed the last panel of the comic? The punchline? "I hate all cis people today".

No, pretty sure I saw it. Its basically the entire message of the strip. Person gets assaulted for being trans and her supposed friends and family only care about not getting generalized rather than actually being any sort of helpful or supportive.

...

Perhaps if the comic made it clear that her friends and family were aware of the assault that might be the message to take away from it, but the comic gives no indication that she's made any attempt to tell them. How exactly are they supposed to care about something she hasn't even told them? Or are they just supposed to assume she's justified in writing what ever she writes?
And considering her (presumably) cis friends and family fall into the category of people she's declaring her hatred of, they're well within their rights to call her out for it. Likewise, she's well within her rights to post what she wants, but no one is obligated to give her a free pass when she's telling them she hates them. And if she doesn't actually hate them then perhaps she ought not say such things.
As for this idea of venting, why not privately contact someone to talk about it with, rather than publicly declaring your hatred for (probably) upwards of 90% of your social media friends and wondering why they don't understand that you can apparently do no wrong.

Much of what you've written only has the most tenuous connection to what I even wrote, and seems to be a left over response to the arguments of others that I haven't even brought up. But since you've posted it at me, I'll respond.

Two things, which everyone keeps disregarding: Most of us in the trans community have seen a friend, or family member whose of a socially privileged group(I.E. white, cisgender, and/or heterosexual) get away with saying "I hate *blank* people to day"... In a Racist, transphobic, homophobic, sexist, or other bigoted fashion, and get basically now blow back from it.

What exactly is the implication here? People aren't always mobbed for being racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/whatever-else-phobic? The same can be said for people who post hatred of the majority as well, or are you going to tell me that absolutely every single time bar none results in people being attacked? I wouldn't expect absolutely every post by every person to spark a massive internet shitstorm.
I'm rather unclear on what exactly you're trying to imply with this, but it seems you're trying to imply there is some problem with apathy towards racism/sexism/etc on the internet, and if so, that's a laugh. People get pilloried on the internet for way less than "I hate _______ people today". Boycotts and shaming over non-progressive beliefs is very common these days, so the idea that there isn't enough of this type of thing is absurd.

The other is that we have a group of privileged people(cisgender people), showing absolutely no empathy for a group of people who are literally denied life for being who we are.

Oh, I'll get to this later ...

All this mind you over "die cis scum" and how people feel about the terms "cis" and "cisgender"... I'm sorry but defending the feelings of a group that is virtually solely responsible for the actual demonstrable suffering and death of another group, even if the latter hurt the former groups precious little feelings... This whole argument doesn't fly. We literally have people claiming that "cis" is used as a slur comprable with the likes of "******", "*****", "******", and "tranny". Except for one thing, the former word isn't used to cause massive public social shunning, or incite actual violence. People don't shout "cis scum" then beat up, or murder a cisgender person, but the other slurs are used to incite that kind of violence.

Considering I neither said "cis" is a slur, nor believe it, this has little relevance to me, so I'll assume it's addressed to others in this thread. There is, however, one part that seems emblematic of this whole argument that falls right in line with your next paragraphs.

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I'm sorry but defending the feelings of a group that is virtually solely responsible for the actual demonstrable suffering and death of another group, even if the latter hurt the former groups precious little feelings
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The whole argument of "hate only begets more hate" falls understandably on deaf ears, when you're comparing frustration of a minority group with no real power, to a majority group that actually causes the suffering of the minority group in question. It is so intellectually dishonest to compare feelings to wide spread demonstrable discrimination and suffering, especially when you're defending feelings of the group that allows the suffering to happen. You can "well not all cis people" until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that most cis folk who aren't actively contributing to the suffering, are instead ignoring that it even happens.

In that context, the feelings of a group, that doesn't face the issues trans people face on a daily basis, are essentially meaningless.

Feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible ...

Don't worry, I'm not going to bother "well not all cis people"-ing until I'm blue in the face, since it's clear you're already committed to the idea of "we can do no wrong against them", but considering how hard you are "yes all cis people"-ing, I am going to "not all cis people" just a little.
You keep grouping all cis people together into one amorphous group, none of who's opinions matter apparently because they're all guilty of the crimes of each and every other cis person. Why should individuals be completely disregarded for being born into a group they had no choice over? I guess that's only a bad thing when it's applied to trans people, though.

As for this talk of comparing people's suffering, I'm not asking you to believe being assaulted for being trans is comparable to someone being being rude to cis people on the internet, it's not, but that's not even the point here despite the apparent eagerness to bring it up. I'm simply telling you that the two don't need to be comparable in order to be unjustified and uncalled for, because this isn't a competition to see who has it worse. Two wrongs don't make a right, and your own bad experiences don't justify contempt of others, despite how understandable it is. It's also understandable when junkies break into cars for drug money; it's understandable when childhood sexual abuse victims go on to abuse others; it's understandable when some bullied kid, or religion extremist goes on to shoot up civilians. Understandable is not the same thing as justified, and in case you're going to point out the difference in severity between those analogies and disrespectful posts on the internet, I'll remind you that bad behavior is still bad behavior regardless of how it stacks up to the actions of others.
I'm also not asking you to respect the feelings of people who attack you, but I am telling you to respect those who haven't and not tar everyone with the same brush, regardless of whether you believe "the group" as a whole aren't doing enough to help you.

So you can sit here all day typing out every last grievance you've ever had with cis people, typing away until your fingers bleed, but it doesn't justify contempt for others based on the crimes of some group.

You ask for empathy yet you proudly wear your disregard for others based on their own gender, well, despite how quick you are to disregard the phrase "hate begets hate", the fact that this comic and other trans people in this thread are complaining about all the hate that has been begot from these actions should be evidence enough for it's truth.
Respect is a two way street, and before people say it, no, I'm not claiming disrespect of trans people as a group is justified because individuals within the trans community feel justified in their contempt for others. Respect should be based on an individual's own actions, not the actions of some nebulous group, whether they're trans, cis, or anything else.

Oh well, I guess it doesn't really matter how much I type here, or whether this argument goes anywhere at all; the opinion that contempt for cis people is justified as long as you belong to some marginalized group is just that, an opinion, and considering how much complaining there is about people being called out for their hypocritical hatred of cis people as a group, it seems it's not an opinion shared by the majority.

 

[Reasonable Atheist]

We are goin to need some more mustard for this sausage party

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

Shit me a brick. This site is a total sausagefest. 84.2% of this site identifies as male as of this comment.

 

[Something Amyss]

Shit me a brick. This site is a total sausagefest. 84.2% of this site identifies as male as of this comment.

Was that sarcasm? I had a sarcasm detector, but someone told me how useful it was and it blew up.

 

[Something Amyss]

I'm not just any toaster, silly. I'm a lady toaster.

I have an awesome cooking rack.

That was bad. As someone who puns so much she put a pun in her username, I approve.

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

Shit me a brick. This site is a total sausagefest. 84.2% of this site identifies as male as of this comment.

Was that sarcasm? I had a sarcasm detector, but someone told me how useful it was and it blew up.

Nope. Not sarcasm. Why?

I'm genuinely surprised. I thought we had a bigger female populace and I thought we had a larger transgender populace. I guess my impressions were wrong.