Poll: I am so freaking ALTERNATIVE!
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oh god... you sicken me... the entire idea of indie is that its individual, so basically what theyre saying is to be individual you must conform to the one mass media. by strict definition of the word im the most indie guy i know... i however refuse to go near the culture/fashion/piginablender you call indie its not an attractive look the clothes are not effective in anyways nor do they look awesome in any way, the music itself is not a genre it just classifies anything thats not mainstream under its wing and godhelpme if someone calls angelspit indie ill make them snort ground wii discs till they die from internal bleeding
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this is a big problem where i live ive had time to from a distinct opinion on it
It depends. If they truly do like that lifestyle, I don't give a flying fuck, have fun with your life. It's when they start acting in a manner you know they don't like just to "fit in/be different" that I start to feel a twinge of pity. Or it could be mind-bending rage. I'm not sure yet.
That's true with me as well, dam indie music, why must you sound so good, but attract so many douchebags?RandallJohn said:
Oh god that sounded elitist, I'm already turning!
All these "cultures" look the same to me. A bunch of desperate kids trying to claw their way from the same stinking hole that we all reside in. Get a haircut, get a job and stop fanny arseing about.
oooh, it's been a while since I've brought this out:
Screw you and your individualism. You are not a unique snowflake. You are one of seven billion people scrabbling across earth. Why do you care? Is it somehow impossible for you to be happy unless you think you're so unlike everyone else?
You know the most idividual guy in that picture? Tubby. And no-one likes Tubby.
[small]Oooh, I haven't raged like that in a while[/small]
Maybe I just think gas masks are badass or something, but my attitude towards anyone who claims to be "individual" is pretty much that paragraph.
And before I hear "indie is not individual", You mentioned alternative. I see it as nothing more than a desperate attempt to stand out from the crowd.
Screw you and your individualism. You are not a unique snowflake. You are one of seven billion people scrabbling across earth. Why do you care? Is it somehow impossible for you to be happy unless you think you're so unlike everyone else?
You know the most idividual guy in that picture? Tubby. And no-one likes Tubby.
[small]Oooh, I haven't raged like that in a while[/small]
Maybe I just think gas masks are badass or something, but my attitude towards anyone who claims to be "individual" is pretty much that paragraph.
And before I hear "indie is not individual", You mentioned alternative. I see it as nothing more than a desperate attempt to stand out from the crowd.
Indy games (or at least most of them) aren't part of the whole Indie culture. They are mainly called Indy games because they weren't developed or published by a big name developer but independently. Hence the word Indy Game.Resphyre said:
Personally, I don't have anything against Indie music (my favourite bands are Oasis, The Jam and Stone Roses which are according to some, Indie) or clothing... I just have it against the pretentious dicks that call them selves Indie and refuse to listen to anything but Indie music or refuse to wear anything but Indie clothes because "They aren't conformists".
Well I wouldn't say I have it against them, I just think its extremely ironic that they scream out conformists while conforming to their own subculture. Its especially ironic when you realise that most of the people they are calling conformist, really couldn't give a shit about the genre of clothing/music/films/games that they play/watch/listen/wear as long as they enjoy it, they couldn't care less.
Most of your comments make me grin, and this one's no exception. ^^SimuLord said:
I stand on this side of the fence as well. There's no reason anyone shouldn't be able to like indie music, just like anything else, but 'being indie' for the sake of it and railing against everyone else is hypocritical. These folks are a group, like all the others, except that it seems to come with an innate smugness and sense of airy superiory, and it puts me off.
Oh yeah, and a LOT of their clothes (or rather combinations of different sorts of clothing) make my eyes bleed. Seriously, they look horrendous.
I guess you're talking about "alternative people", some of whom are also called hipsters.
The problem ist, so many people right now are "alternative" and "not mainstream", that being not mainstream became mainstream, at least in certain social groups.
An example? Great.
A few months ago I was at a friend's birthday party. He had music on, mostly typical party music (no charts stuff though, just the general techno/electronic stuff direction. Could have been Trance too, I'm bad at determining genres), and one of the running gags, since most of the guests usually listened to any kind of rock music (be it punk, metal, whatever), was asking for "some mainstream music".
That's just the thing really. If something (or someone) can get a label saying what it is or they are, we just get another kind of mainstream, a phenomenon people also call "uniform nonconformism", which sums it up quite well, I think.
The problem ist, so many people right now are "alternative" and "not mainstream", that being not mainstream became mainstream, at least in certain social groups.
An example? Great.
A few months ago I was at a friend's birthday party. He had music on, mostly typical party music (no charts stuff though, just the general techno/electronic stuff direction. Could have been Trance too, I'm bad at determining genres), and one of the running gags, since most of the guests usually listened to any kind of rock music (be it punk, metal, whatever), was asking for "some mainstream music".
That's just the thing really. If something (or someone) can get a label saying what it is or they are, we just get another kind of mainstream, a phenomenon people also call "uniform nonconformism", which sums it up quite well, I think.
Ain't the indie creed saying you ought to dress at Salvation Army? Would explain a lot.Sonicron said:
As for music itself, i don't know if i listen to indie, i avoid labels. I listen to what i find pleasing to my hearing senses. Further more was punk or cold wave indie when they made first steps? Was Joy Division indie punk or post-punk goth ? Is Amanda Palmer indie? I have no idea.
I am a bit but what I find interesting in indie games is when thay present great concepts for a game or very good game mechanics that wouldnt be in a mainstream game (Minecraft and Overgrowth are good examples)
I dont like indie games that in the end dont inovate at all, some of them seem to relly on their indie fanatic public to sell.
I dont like indie games that in the end dont inovate at all, some of them seem to relly on their indie fanatic public to sell.
"Alternative" is a funny term. It necessitates the presence of something to be alternative to - which is itself an alternative to the alternative.
So saying you listen to "alternative" music doesn't really tell people anything.
I find so-called "indie-rock" music to be more or less interchangeable with "modern rock", distinguished only by how successful they are (and by extension how many people have heard of them). Not to say that the music's bad, the two conflicting fandoms (for want of a better word) just make me laugh.
So saying you listen to "alternative" music doesn't really tell people anything.
I find so-called "indie-rock" music to be more or less interchangeable with "modern rock", distinguished only by how successful they are (and by extension how many people have heard of them). Not to say that the music's bad, the two conflicting fandoms (for want of a better word) just make me laugh.
I liked this thread then It got more than five posts and became all mainstream booooo.
Only joking, just be yourselves who cares.
Only joking, just be yourselves who cares.
