Poll: Injustice of the Permaban

[Quellist]

I know in the wrong mood i can be a nasty, sarcastic person, prone to occasional trolling and the odd outburst of potty mouth and ive never recieved a single warning for my conduct. Admittedly i always reread what ive written to make sure i dont cross a line but imo moderation isnt too harsh at all.

Ask me again once i get an infraction tho

 

[Xan Krieger]

The problem is when the moderation permabans someone and the quality of the forum drops. Take for example when they banned Danyal and the quality of R&P went down. I think the mods need to decide which is more important, the rules or the quality of the site?

 

[Susan Arendt]

If you can't figure out how to behave after being given 8 chances, we don't really want you as part of our community. One's value is not increased by their post count. A member is not magically exempt from our rules simply because others find them entertaining. Our rules are in place so that the community as a whole can enjoy themselves while they're here. Even if they just lurk, even if they maybe only post once every blue moon.

Everyone has bad days, and we certainly don't expect anyone's behavior to always be perfect, which is why we not only have an 8-strike system, but also remove ban levels in return for extended periods of good behavior. Mistakes in judgment also happen, as do misunderstandings, which is why we have an appeal system in place so that if a ban is given incorrectly, it can be undone.

If someone simply cannot learn from past mistakes, that's their problem, not a flaw in the system.

The problem is when the moderation permabans someone and the quality of the forum drops. Take for example when they banned Danyal and the quality of R&P went down. I think the mods need to decide which is more important, the rules or the quality of the site?

So your enjoyment of R&P is more important than someone else's desire to not have to deal with Danyal's particular bullshit? Sorry, but that's a very selfish point of view. Rules are in place to be impartial and make sure that we're not placing more value on one definition of "enjoyment" over another. Follow the rules, you stay. Don't follow them, you go. No exceptions.

 

[Hagi]

I think moderation is fine as it is.

It's not like the moderators are prowling these forums looking for every single post that might possibly be thought to have low-content.

When I was new here I made a low-content post, just a single picture. You know what happened?

I got a polite PM from a mod informing me of my mistake, explaining the rules, saying he'd removed me from the reporting system for now so I wouldn't get a warning and asking me to edit my post so I wouldn't get a warning in the future if I was reported again.

Horrible isn't it? Just imagine if that happened with all the honest well-intended mistakes one eventually makes. I mean... you'd get like 1 PM from a moderator every single year! OH THE HUGE MANATEE!

 

[GundamSentinel]

What's so difficult about following the code of conduct? Don't break the rules and you won't get any strikes. A single violation won't get you a banhammer to the face here, thankfully. I hope the moderation stays the way it is as it makes this forum a better place to be.

 

[DeadpanLunatic]

I have removed my words from this site.

 

[ShadowKatt]

I remember..back in my day we didn't have no health meters, and mods could just bring down the banhammer and smite their justice upon the land like Odin. And they forced you to walk to the smiting hill before they did it, uphill, both ways. And we didn't have none of them fancy jumping physics; you had to walk all the way up there.

*ahem* Anyway, the forums have, for the most part, gotten much more lenient, I think. I do know that after the US election, the mod squad got together and went Vlad the Impaler on the R&P section. I've never seen that many bans happen at one time before or since...march madness earlier that year anyway.

However, I will agree that while the forums have gotten more lenient, the judgement is just as if not more inconsistant than before. While I don't know the history of every poster that gets banned, I find a lot of the posts that get people banned to be very tame or inoffensive at all. However, I also understand that part of the mod system is us reporting posters, so part of the blame falls on the mods, the other part falls on the mob mentality of this site.

 

[Radoh]

Don't you need to agree to the rules of this site before you can start posting anything anyways?
If you don't know the rules that is not an excuse for breaking them, since you need to come across them in order to actually post.
You've got 10 chances to stop the thing that you are doing and instead when I see someone getting banned it's almost always going to be something they've done before.

So no, it isn't too harsh. I've gotten modded once and only once in my stay here, and I've made sure to never repeat that mistake.
If you like being here, you'll adjust yourself to not lose that privilege, if you don't want to be here, then getting banned isn't a big deal.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

I've seen a few people banned for silly things but for the most part it's because they kept doing silly things.
As long as the rules and moderation don't inhibit discussion then it's fine.

Though I know for certain that at some point in the future I will be banned for discussing drugs. I can't help it, it's one of my favourite topics for discussion. I dislike the fact that it's banned and to be honest don't really understand why. Seeing as the mods are most likely going to be watching this thread, if one of them could explain why, I'd be very grateful.

[small]I'm going to receive a warning for this, aren't I?[/small]

 

[Berithil]

No.

I've been here for over 4 years, and while I don't have the highest post count, I've had plenty of opportunities where I could of done something worthy of mod wrath but chose otherwise, and I have an utterly clean record (the closest I got was once I unintentionally made a low content post, but someone was kind enough to warn me before I got mod wrathed). It isn't that hard to avoid marks. All it takes is some self control. Also, the current system is a lot more lenient than the old one, that had only 4(?) strikes.

I do admit the system might be a little inconsistent at times, but hey... the mods are only human...


Right?

 

[anthony87]

Don't get 8 warnings and you won't be banned. Simples.

If you can't grasp this concept after 3 or 4 warnings then it's your own damn fault.

 

[kailus13]

The notion that you cannot post large amounts without being banned falls apart when you consider that there is a group solely for people who have posted 5000 times without getting a warning. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Neo-d

 

[Mr. Eff_v1legacy]

Mods seem to have loosened up a bit, but two or three years ago they were awful. Still, I try to be pretty careful with what I post after several (ridiculous) warnings some time ago.

 

[blackrave]

One of my principles is- Everyone deserves second chance, nobody deserves third.
Why not to apply same rule in this forum?

If person gets 8 warnings he/she gets extended ban (1year)
After that term he/she gets clean record, but after another 8 warnings it is permaban
That would be more fair to everyone.

 

[Susan Arendt]

I've seen a few people banned for silly things but for the most part it's because they kept doing silly things.
As long as the rules and moderation don't inhibit discussion then it's fine.

Though I know for certain that at some point in the future I will be banned for discussing drugs. I can't help it, it's one of my favourite topics for discussion. I dislike the fact that it's banned and to be honest don't really understand why. Seeing as the mods are most likely going to be watching this thread, if one of them could explain why, I'd be very grateful.

[small]I'm going to receive a warning for this, aren't I?[/small]

Depends on what you want to discuss. Something like "should drugs be legalized" is totally fair game. But admitting to committing a crime - which taking or selling drugs is in the US - is a bit of a gray area for us. It could, in theory, get us into legal trouble. If we have evidence you're committing a crime and do nothing about it, we could theoretically be held liable. Yes, we really could.

So if you want to talk about drugs in the abstract, fine, but refrain from telling us about the amazing you time you had snorting lines off your Vita's screen, ok?

 

[GundamSentinel]

One of my principles is- Everyone deserves second chance, nobody deserves third.
Why not to apply same rule in this forum?

If person gets 8 warnings he/she gets extended ban (1year)
After that term he/she gets clean record, but after another 8 warnings it is permaban
That would be more fair to everyone.

I would've have thought those 8(!) warnings would have been enough of a second chance. If someone doesn't get it by that time, he probably just isn't going to get it, if you ask me.

 

[madwarper]

One of my principles is- Everyone deserves second chance, nobody deserves third.
Why not to apply same rule in this forum?

If person gets 8 warnings he/she gets extended ban (1year)
After that term he/she gets clean record, but after another 8 warnings it is permaban
That would be more fair to everyone.

No.
Your second chance begins after your first Warning. Then, you're given a third chance, a fourth chance, a fifth chance, a 3-day vacation and a sixth chance, a 2-week vacation and a seventh chance.

Then, after your seventh chance, you get banned. But, according to you, nobody deserves a third chance, so people should be banned after their first warning.

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

I would offer my opinion on the issue, but I'm afraid I'd get permabanned for doing so.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

The notion that you cannot post large amounts without being banned falls apart when you consider that there is a group solely for people who have posted 5000 times without getting a warning. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Neo-d

Wait, they're supposed to send out an invite to anyone with a neo badge? But I got mine over 2,000 posts ago, and I never got an invite. Still got a squeaky clean health bar, too. Not that it really matters

 

[The White Hunter]

No, I for one like our hammer happy overlords and will offer sacrifices unto them.

Really if you stop, read the CoC and then post with them in mind it's really not hard to avoid warnings or bans. Frankly just try and be nice, or failing that at least be civil and discussive. A member who shall remain unamed was recently permabanned for being far too agressive and eager to dismiss others thoughts as bullshit with no reason, he didn't learn from previous warnings, bans, etc and thus is gone.

Likewise consistently posting short, off-topic or deliberately inflammatory contet will eventually get you banned.

It's not hard to avoid, the rules are there clearly laid out and you agree to them when you join, if you can't follow them then this is not the place for you.

This is like the third thread on this subject today I think.