Poll: Is Anything Possible?

[Zacharine]

To all disbelivers, I am finished proving things to you. As long as I am above in the poll, I am happy. That reenforces my faith in humanity because there are more people in this world with an open mind compared to those who don't. That shows that the human race still has a chance since there are people willing to atempt the ilogical and further our knowledge of the universe/s that we live in.

Thus showing your real colours: Truth does not matter to you, only public opinion. You did not seek answers, or challenging conversation, but rather reinforcement to your pre-existing bias.

You also make several non-sequiturs in this last post of yours to this thread. But having seen and witnessed your ability to understand and utilize logic, I am not that surprised.

Have a good day, sir. I count this as an argument won for logic and reason.

I also count this as an inofficial admittance that your position of "everything is possible" is in fact, flawed.

 

[Not-here-anymore]

don't have access to a further developed mind, one somehow not dependent on logic?

Then I argue, that it does not think and is in fact not sentient or even in possession of a mind.

Because thought by its nature is dependant upon logic: thought is the expression of a concept via language.

Yeah, I lost track halfway through my own post and began making a point about how we have no idea of the things that might be possible rather than attempting to engage with your post... Sorry! I just kept using the word logic for some reason, more to attempt to describe an indescribable beings mind.

Anyway, outside of (debatably needless) semantics regarding logic, anything is possible, given sufficiently forgiving conditions!

 

[Not-here-anymore]

So, different dimensions, and magic.

That's like asking "If absolutely everything is possible, is anything impossible"

Also, me, in this reality, right now, killing a whale with a sharpened ski. Not happening!
(Yay! A loophole!)

Maybe you are killing a whale with a sharpened ski, you just don't realize it.

Unlikely; I lost my skis a few months ago in a fairly bad accident.
*looks down*
When did I get a new pair of skis?
And why is one of them stuck in a whale?
More importantly, how the hell did a whale fit into my room?

It's fine, the whale isn't fatally wounded. Thus you are proved wrong!

The whale is fatally wounded, you just happen to be stucked in a VR environment that tries to convince you otherwise.

Outside of that VR environment would be a different reality, thus conflicting with my original point of me killing a whale in this reality. Score one for pedantic logic!

 

[erto101]

A digon, changing the past, Santa Claus, uhmmm.. me giving a shit about alt dimensions...
Come on you can't use that as a argument for anything being possible because there is no way to prove it

 

[Zacharine]

don't have access to a further developed mind, one somehow not dependent on logic?

Then I argue, that it does not think and is in fact not sentient or even in possession of a mind.

Because thought by its nature is dependant upon logic: thought is the expression of a concept via language.

Yeah, I lost track halfway through my own post and began making a point about how we have no idea of the things that might be possible rather than attempting to engage with your post... Sorry! I just kept using the word logic for some reason, more to attempt to describe an indescribable beings mind.

Anyway, outside of (debatably needless) semantics regarding logic, anything is possible, given sufficiently forgiving conditions!

hmm...

I'm not that sure.... (Well okay, I can accept that. Sorry for yanking your chain)

Well, I willing to call this off right here, if you are. A most stimulating conversation, thank you for that. I still think that it is impossible to disprove logic without ending in a circular argument, but outside of that there is very little that is impossible.

Certainly we cannot say that of anything within material realm. And concepts alone can be a bit tricky.

And if you feel like it, we can take this and continue in another thread. Or find a new topic altogether. Or simply go back to coasting the shores of the Escapist, waiting for new and interesting threads pop up and perhaps meet at another place, another time, around another topic, which no-one can predict...

 

[crudus]

one at a time.

Eat a Mountain

Someone ate a plane. We established the premise (metal, rock is just impure metal) now you are just haggling over price (the amount of rock).

Float on a Cloud

define float first

Turn your Lamp/Light without touching it

Clap on! Clap off!

Maybe even if you touch the light switch

get bitten by the deadliest Snake in the world, and survive, without medical help

People drink arsenic saturated water all the time. Same premise

I can't jump off of the empire state building and live...BOOM! Logic killer!

Sure you can. Lets move to a smaller planet (or planetoid) so gravity is much less.

 

[Goremocker]

*snip*

But the empire state building is on earth only...so...yeah...I'm talkin' on earth,top down to a solid surface,and all the way to sea level.

 

[Shankity Stick]

To all disbelivers, I am finished proving things to you. As long as I am above in the poll, I am happy. That reenforces my faith in humanity because there are more people in this world with an open mind compared to those who don't. That shows that the human race still has a chance since there are people willing to atempt the ilogical and further our knowledge of the universe/s that we live in.

Thus showing your real colours: Truth does not matter to you, only public opinion. You did not seek answers, or challenging conversation, but rather reinforcement to your pre-existing bias.

You also make several non-sequiturs in this last post of yours to this thread. But having seen and witnessed your ability to understand and utilize logic, I am not that surprised.

Have a good day, sir. I count this as an argument won for logic and reason.

I also count this as an inofficial admittance that your position of "everything is possible" is in fact, flawed.

I just realized something, we are arguing 2 different things. You are arguing that logic doesn't not exist, i'm arguing that logic could posibly not exist. Logic does, however, exist but might not exist in some other universe. You can't prove that such a universe doesn't exist, the same way I can't prove that such a universe definitly does exist. I am trying to prove that however. I am proving that a place like that could exist wich is proven simply because there is no prof otherwise.

 

[VGStrife]

it is often said, even in scientific circles, that it is impossible to prove a negative. And that is exactly what it means, you can't prove that something doesnt ever happen somewhere, you can only prove that it is unlikely.

Prove it

Idiots, proving my point since 1995.
that was a joke, i dont think your an idiot.

Just for the record i agree with you. But i also believe it is impossible to prove everything is possible (other than trivial solutions).

I also think this thread is quite pointless.

 

[Buizel91]

one at a time.

Eat a Mountain

Someone ate a plane. We established the premise (metal, rock is just impure metal) now you are just haggling over price (the amount of rock).

Float on a Cloud

define float first

Turn your Lamp/Light without touching it

Clap on! Clap off!

Maybe even if you touch the light switch

get bitten by the deadliest Snake in the world, and survive, without medical help

People drink arsenic saturated water all the time. Same premise

I can't jump off of the empire state building and live...BOOM! Logic killer!

Sure you can. Lets move to a smaller planet (or planetoid) so gravity is much less.

Like in cartoons, When Characters use clouds as methods of transport

and getting bitten by snake is much worse, considering it gets in the blood stream and nothing has been done to it so it isn't lethal.

and im pretty sure if you ate a whole mountain, you would probably die of dehydration half way through, unless you have about 55 gallons of water handy

 

[VGStrife]

Snip

I can't jump off of the empire state building and live...BOOM! Logic killer!

Sure you can. Lets move to a smaller planet (or planetoid) so gravity is much less.

But the empire state isn't ON another planet(oid).

 

[Shankity Stick]

It all depends on how you define a person/dimension copies. You say that a person and a dinension copie are different because (from what I can surmise from our conversations) they go through different expirences. I say that I and my hypothetical dimension copies are the same person due to the fact that we were born to the same mother who was born to the same mother as my mother was, and she was etc. etc. etc. This defenicion of existence is not a defenicion but an opinion. I have mine and you have yours and neither of us can change each others mind, so I have to drop this dicusion if you will. Also I saw what you did with the gender swap. But I could give a f**k. Tah tah.

So your (hypothetical) brothers and sisters are the same people as you? If you don't care then why do you keep bring it up? Although for the record my definition of "same person" is someone who shares the same thoughts, reactions, feelings as you do. If any one little detail(even intensity) is off then two people are not the same.

With that I will take my victory and be off[footnote]I claimed I couldn't prove something to you and I didn't. It was Catch 22. Either you admitted I was right about the physics thing, or you argued existential philosophy and proved me right. QED, Not everything is possible[/footnote].

You actualy haven't proven that something isn't posible, just that demension copies aren't the same person. That is your opinion, and I will let you have it.

 

[Zacharine]

To all disbelivers, I am finished proving things to you. As long as I am above in the poll, I am happy. That reenforces my faith in humanity because there are more people in this world with an open mind compared to those who don't. That shows that the human race still has a chance since there are people willing to atempt the ilogical and further our knowledge of the universe/s that we live in.

Thus showing your real colours: Truth does not matter to you, only public opinion. You did not seek answers, or challenging conversation, but rather reinforcement to your pre-existing bias.

You also make several non-sequiturs in this last post of yours to this thread. But having seen and witnessed your ability to understand and utilize logic, I am not that surprised.

Have a good day, sir. I count this as an argument won for logic and reason.

I also count this as an inofficial admittance that your position of "everything is possible" is in fact, flawed.

I just realized something, we are arguing 2 different things. You are arguing that logic doesn't not exist, i'm arguing that logic could posibly not exist. Logic does, however, exist but might not exist in some other universe. You can't prove that such a universe doesn't exist, the same way I can't prove that such a universe definitly does exist. I am trying to prove that however. I am proving that a place like that could exist wich is proven simply because there is no prof otherwise.

No, I am arguing that it is impossible to disprove logic, without at the same time using logic. Everything else was tangential, responding to points you or others made.

In fact, ultimately, for my argument it does not matter if logic exists separately from any thinking minds or even of reality, as it would still be impossible to disprove. After all, disproving requires a thinking mind.

If there exists a universe that is void of life and somehow, void of logic, it still would not invalidate my argument, and thus would still counter yours.

 

[Canid117]

So I am going to have to say that anything is technically possible it just probably isn't going to happen.

Yet another contender for my challenge:

Disprove logic, without using logic while at it (as otherwise it will end up being a circular argument that is proof of nothing).


If you deem this impossible, then not everything is possible.

Not impossible, Improbable. According to Quantum physics it is entirely possible for you to walk through a wall. Unfortunately for this to happen, the electromagnetic field generated by every atom in your body (which is a lot of individual electromagnetic fields) would have to glitch out and not interact with the electromagnetic field generated by the atoms in the wall which is also a lot of individual electromagnetic fields. That combined with the improbability of a single one of your atoms passing through a wall makes it very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very ,very... very,very,very... very, very unlikely.

Quantum Mechanics does not extend to concepts.

I argue that it is impossible, even in theory, anywhere at any time by anyone/anything, to disprove logic.

Because the attempt would by necessity need to include logic at some point.

Even if only at the phase of claiming "Because of X, logic is disproven." Because this phrase itself relies on logic to be true. Thereby using that which it is attempting to disprove, as critical part of the proof.

QM has nothing to do with this. Because QM deals with subatomic particles, not logical absolutes or concepts.

I wasn't saying you can disprove logic. Well you can if it is faulty. According to the base theory of Quantum Physics, it is technically possible for anything to happen. That doesn't disprove logic at all. For some reason I get the feeling that you don't really know what logic is. Logic is more along the lines of "If 2+2=4 then 4-2 must equal 2." Logic isn't something you can disprove as it is a method of thought not a concept unto itself. I can however,disprove YOUR logic though because of the faults within it. Quantum Physics does affect concepts because concepts are influenced, shaped, and built by the world that we perceive around us. That world on the Subatomic level (AKA the level from which all other universal behavior is founded) is directly controlled by the principles of Quantum Physics. So technically I just disproved logic. Not all logic but some logic. What is it like to be my intellectual *****?

 

[wildpeaks]

So, different dimensions, and magic.

That's like asking "If absolutely everything is possible, is anything impossible"

Also, me, in this reality, right now, killing a whale with a sharpened ski. Not happening!
(Yay! A loophole!)

Maybe you are killing a whale with a sharpened ski, you just don't realize it.

Unlikely; I lost my skis a few months ago in a fairly bad accident.
*looks down*
When did I get a new pair of skis?
And why is one of them stuck in a whale?
More importantly, how the hell did a whale fit into my room?

It's fine, the whale isn't fatally wounded. Thus you are proved wrong!

The whale is fatally wounded, you just happen to be stucked in a VR environment that tries to convince you otherwise.

Outside of that VR environment would be a different reality, thus conflicting with my original point of me killing a whale in this reality. Score one for pedantic logic!

Outside the VR environment would be the same reality, only your perception of it would differ (e.g. the despair squid [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despair_squid#Despair_Squid])

 

[Shankity Stick]

*snip*

But the empire state building is on earth only...so...yeah...I'm talkin' on earth,top down to a solid surface,and all the way to sea level.

What if there was someone who couldn't die? Then they wouldn't die.

 

[MurderousToaster]

And have you done anything to prove that it is possible to divide by zero? All you have done is say "Your argument is invalid because you cannot expand."

You made the claim my friend. The burden of proof is on you.

It is a fact, however. Turn on a calculator. Smack in the numbers. X divided by zero. Your calculator will tell you it has experienced a maths error.

 

[Malkavian]

I dare anyone to disprove ANYTHING, if you factor in magic, other planets, and alternate dimensions. My logic is that we can't prove that something definitely doesn't exist/ happen somewhere out there. That is the one thing that is impossible. But by all means, try to disprove something to me.

There is something that I can disprove to you.

The statement "You do not exist."

This is because logical absolutes are not dependant on perception or even the state of reality.

This. The only thing anyone ever can be certain of, is that they exist.

 

[Shankity Stick]

To all disbelivers, I am finished proving things to you. As long as I am above in the poll, I am happy. That reenforces my faith in humanity because there are more people in this world with an open mind compared to those who don't. That shows that the human race still has a chance since there are people willing to atempt the ilogical and further our knowledge of the universe/s that we live in.

Thus showing your real colours: Truth does not matter to you, only public opinion. You did not seek answers, or challenging conversation, but rather reinforcement to your pre-existing bias.

You also make several non-sequiturs in this last post of yours to this thread. But having seen and witnessed your ability to understand and utilize logic, I am not that surprised.

Have a good day, sir. I count this as an argument won for logic and reason.

I also count this as an inofficial admittance that your position of "everything is possible" is in fact, flawed.

I just realized something, we are arguing 2 different things. You are arguing that logic doesn't not exist, i'm arguing that logic could posibly not exist. Logic does, however, exist but might not exist in some other universe. You can't prove that such a universe doesn't exist, the same way I can't prove that such a universe definitly does exist. I am trying to prove that however. I am proving that a place like that could exist wich is proven simply because there is no prof otherwise.

No, I am arguing that it is impossible to disprove logic, without at the same time using logic. Everything else was tangential, responding to points you or others made.

In fact, ultimately, for my argument it does not matter if logic exists separately from any thinking minds or even of reality, as it would still be impossible to disprove. After all, disproving requires a thinking mind.

If there exists a universe that is void of life and somehow, void of logic, it still would not invalidate my argument, and thus would still counter yours.

Fine, as far as we know, one can't disprove something without logic. That doesn't mean that it isn't posible, symply imposibile for you to invision it in your curent state.

 

[crudus]

*snip*

But the empire state building is on earth only...so...yeah...I'm talkin' on earth,top down to a solid surface,and all the way to sea level.

That is easy. Zip-line to the shore since the bottom of that building isn't at sea level

Like in cartoons, When Characters use clouds as methods of transport

and getting bitten by snake is much worse, considering it gets in the blood stream and nothing has been done to it so it isn't lethal.

and im pretty sure if you ate a whole mountain, you would probably die of dehydration half way through, unless you have about 55 gallons of water handy

1. sure, let us just find the universe that happens in

2. You can get a really good resistance to whatever you want whether it be poison, drugs, whatever. The point still stands.

3. Again, lets find the universe where things live longer and don't need as much water