Poll: Is featuring rape in a game going too far?
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Checkmate! Even healthy relationships are a stretch in most games. The Darkness was a brilliant example though.plugav said:
Well, the difference is that games are an interactive medium. Most people wouldn't have a problem with a character in the game raping someone or being raped as part of the story, but when it's actually something the player is doing, that's an entirely new issue.ireskimo said:
I want an "it depends" option. Because having rape in a game may not be going too far, but allowing the player to rape would definitely too much. The reason I don't draw the line at mass murder is that it is possible to think of situations in which killing may be justifiable. But rape? No. Not really.
depends.. really if it's in a fantasy type setting or something they eh I don't mind to much but that's fantasy not real life. Rape-lay was one of the worst eroges I have ever played aside from the content. The interface doesn't recognized shit, the animations are choppy if at best dream-cast 3d rendered, it was just a broken piece of shit game that got to much attention for it's content.
It definitely is going too far. Commiting genocide in a GTA game, or blowing up a nuke in Fallout 3 for some caps is definitely better than one person (or three, as in RapeLay) being raped.[footnote]I really feel that I shouldn't have to say this, but here it is anyway: This part of my post was sarcastic.[/footnote]
EDIT: Ahh, I should probably add some substance. It depends. If it's mindless rape or a major feature, by that I mean it's what the game is, no. If it's used as a plot device, to show how evil you are, or someone else is, like in a movie, fine. Even to have rape as a minor feature (as in, something that can be done, but doesn't have to be) would be alright, but don't hype it up.
EDIT: Ahh, I should probably add some substance. It depends. If it's mindless rape or a major feature, by that I mean it's what the game is, no. If it's used as a plot device, to show how evil you are, or someone else is, like in a movie, fine. Even to have rape as a minor feature (as in, something that can be done, but doesn't have to be) would be alright, but don't hype it up.
I look at it this way: almost everyone you kill in videogames is trying to kill you - unless you're a complete psycho when playing GTA or SR. A game will very rarely make you murder someone in cold blood - except in games like TES' Dark Brotherhood or Hitman, and even then most of your victims in those are portrayed as assholes who deserve what they got. So most of the killings you do in games are in some way justifiable.
But there is never justification for raping someone. So yes, the player raping another character in a game would be going too far. Using rape as part of the plot is perfectly alright, though. The city elf origin story in Dragon Age Origins is a great example of this.
But there is never justification for raping someone. So yes, the player raping another character in a game would be going too far. Using rape as part of the plot is perfectly alright, though. The city elf origin story in Dragon Age Origins is a great example of this.
Silent Hill has already incorporated rape into it ? there's Pyramid Head along with all of the wild-mass guessing and theories that the fans have about it. There's also the fact that one of the characters in Silent Hill 2, Angela, was sexually abused by her own father.
It's also been implied in the Fatal Frame series; to be specific, it's implied (or guessed by fans) that in the fourth game Ayako is the daughter of Sakuya and her brother. Yes, it's squicky and it's incestuous, but the implications are still... there.
It's also been implied in the Fatal Frame series; to be specific, it's implied (or guessed by fans) that in the fourth game Ayako is the daughter of Sakuya and her brother. Yes, it's squicky and it's incestuous, but the implications are still... there.
Media is media, theirs rape in heaps of TV shows, I don't see why it can't be in games. SO long as it's rated appropriately. Whether it's done tastefully or respectfully is up to the developers.
Why do i feel that Americans are, Once again, attempting to impose themselves on a foerign culture?
I mean, In that CNN report, Foerign Governments are... "Suggesting" That a completely different country change the way that they view theyre media.
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Yes. Rape in a game is too far- ESPECIALY if it is out of context. Say im playing... Red Dead Redemption, and im walking through town only for a nude girl to run out of a Alleyway, nude and bloodied, and So on and so forth.
Its... Not cool. Its not in context of whatever i was doing, and not in the context of the game. While it might be in the context of the period of time in which the game is based, i bought the game for great shooting, a storyline, and horse riding. Sexual assault isnt something i want to deal with.
Considering that games like RapeLay are BASED around the mechanic, the affect it has on me is lessened greatly.
I mean, In that CNN report, Foerign Governments are... "Suggesting" That a completely different country change the way that they view theyre media.
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Yes. Rape in a game is too far- ESPECIALY if it is out of context. Say im playing... Red Dead Redemption, and im walking through town only for a nude girl to run out of a Alleyway, nude and bloodied, and So on and so forth.
Its... Not cool. Its not in context of whatever i was doing, and not in the context of the game. While it might be in the context of the period of time in which the game is based, i bought the game for great shooting, a storyline, and horse riding. Sexual assault isnt something i want to deal with.
Considering that games like RapeLay are BASED around the mechanic, the affect it has on me is lessened greatly.
My question is, why would anyone want to play a scenario where your player character rapes someone? Who, aside from someone fairly sadistic, gets enjoyment out of that? Now murder, oddly enough, is one thing, it's been normalized and glorified for ages, and for some people, it's part of their day to day jobs. Society accepts that murder can be funny, meaningless and that someone can play a simulated murder without really being emotionally disturbed. Rape however, is, has been and maybe will always be a different case. Rape in our culture is an emotionally charged act, even when simulated. Rape is used in media as shorthand for trauma and suffering. Very few people can witness a realistically simulated rape and not feel troubled by it. That being said, who would developers be catering to if they included player induced rape in their games?
I don't think anything should be explicitly off limits, but that said there are very few ways to tastefully portray rape. It could probably be used as a story element to give depth to a character or to create an intentionally ugly situation (IE the videogame equivalent to the shawshank redemption's rape scene) aside from that, if the only demographic you want to reach are a niche group of lonely fucks with power fetishes looking for a wank that's one thing. Otherwise I think its territory that shouldn't be tread on unless its absolutely necessary. One might argue that it's a lesser crime than all the killing and murder that happens in games, but unlike murder victims there are people who have experienced rape firsthand that are actually alive.
Rape is in every form of media, in every form of culture that has every form of media. Video games seem to be the exception.
Tbh, I know rape is a dark subject, and very controversial at the best of times. But if everything else has it, why can't games?
Tbh, I know rape is a dark subject, and very controversial at the best of times. But if everything else has it, why can't games?
only if the story calls for it, rape is a touchy subject and should only be handled by mature writers and producers in ANY media form.
um....you seem to be very familiar with the subject. If you don't mind me asking, do you have a personal interest in the "subject"?Therumancer said:
Honestly, it depends on the situation. If it is in that game then no, it is not at all, it shouldn't be interactive, but there are so many other bad things that you can't make too much of a controversy.
yep, rape can be used to add quite a bit to a story, ala gran torino.teh_Canape said:
also: about games banning stalking, what if I want to play shadow of chernobyl or call of pripyat?
If it can be featured in a film, in a painting, or in a book, it can be featured in a game. Gaming is an artistic medium, and should be treated as such.
However, I think that it all depends on the context and how it is portrayed. Rape scenes in movies and books have been used to incredible literary and artistic effect. Take, for example, the rape of Hassan in The Kite Runner. But take that same scene out of context and leave it at that and I think that we can all agree that it doesn't have very much artistic merit.
It is a great deal trickier to pull off in an interactive medium, of course, especially if the player is the one committing the act, but I have no doubt that in the hands of a talented director it could be pulled off to great effect.
However, I think that it all depends on the context and how it is portrayed. Rape scenes in movies and books have been used to incredible literary and artistic effect. Take, for example, the rape of Hassan in The Kite Runner. But take that same scene out of context and leave it at that and I think that we can all agree that it doesn't have very much artistic merit.
It is a great deal trickier to pull off in an interactive medium, of course, especially if the player is the one committing the act, but I have no doubt that in the hands of a talented director it could be pulled off to great effect.