Poll: Is it ok for parents to spank their kids?

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ravensheart18 said:
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JoJoDeathunter said:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html
I do think frequency is an issue. The US pediatric association (may not be the exact title) saying not to spank because it becomes less effective with greater use. The study you just pointed at sees a problem in a group with 2+ spankings a week.

I think if spankings are constant they probably are less effective, or even counter effective. However if you get spanked once a year, that probably will make you wake up and realize you did something REALLY bad that time, unlike anything else you've done.

I'm not too sure where the line in the sand is... and I suspect it would be a hard one to prove scientifically. Also I suspect not all kids will react the same way to the same punishment methods.

On the causation vs corrolation, my brother had REAL emotional and mental problems. This caused him to act out more all his life. Over time he got hit more than I did because he did more crap. His mental condition was a medical one, no matter what our parents did he would have been a trouble maker. Hitting him more probably didn't help, but if you were just corrolating # of spankings vs behavior, you'd see him looking worse than me, but the issue stemmed from the behavior, not the spankings. (And I can say that with certainty because my parents were "modern" parents that never spanked either of us until we were probably 8-10 and tried to use all the mind tricks to keep us in line - my brother was ALWAYS worse)
But then it would surely be equally as effective if there was one non-violent punishment that was wheeled out in extreme cases?

The problem I have is that people say spanking should only be done for something serious, but there's no reason why a non-violent punishment wouldn't work instead. So to my mind, spanking is rendered pointless and is, at the end of the day, someone hitting their own child for no good reason.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
I remember when I was a kid and my dad or grandad took the belt off and belted round the back of the legs with the buckle when I talked back. Or off came the shoe and a crack in the same place for being a tit.

Teachers throwing big wooden board cleaners at our heads for talking in class.

No one thought twice about it being a bad thing because it worked. We learned to shut the fuck up and do as was asked of us.

Have a look at kids today.

***** and moan if mummy or daddy won't get the latest i-phone for them.

Sometimes a smack is needed.
I agree with this. When I was young I was spanked for being disobedient. At the time I hated it, but looking back 20-25 years later I understand and approve of it. My parents weren't by any means strict or sadistic about inflicting pain. I learned a lesson the hard way and I feel they made me a better person for it.

I also had a science teacher that used to throw chalk at disobedient kids. It didn't hurt, and was more comical than anything, but it was effective for her to get attention of the class back.

I don't have kids myself at this point, but looking at the vast majority of kids out there, they need a discipline that can now get you sued or worse lost custody of your kid. It is a sad sad world.
 

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http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/skinner.html
this explains why spanking never did, and never WILL work.
skinner is the bomb
 

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PukingRainbows said:
Lol I'm still a newbie on how forums work. Anyways, it's not okay to spank your kids.
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Yes. My parents (and grandma at one time) used to spank me when I did something wrong and I'm thankful for it. It kept me from becoming a complete spoiled brat. There's a line between physical discipline and physical abuse. When I got spanked, it was hard enough to hurt a little and get the message across but not hard enough to leave any marks or cause any serious pain. As mentioned before, depending on the kid, yelling doesn't work. When my brother do something wrong and our parents would yell at him, he would just stand there with a blank face on, obviously letting the lecture go in one ear and out the other and soon after continue what he did. But when we got spanked we would not to continue, and ergo, my brothers and I were raised to be decent people. But like most people I'm against actual physical abuse when it goes too far.
 

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People are way to soft these days, I reckon a good spank is alright every now and then. Pain is a natural way of learning right from wrong, such as when you prick your finger on a thorn, you know not to touch the thorn again.

Look at kids today, they're reckless and savage little turds who want everything and complain when one thing doesn't go their way. Honestly most of them need a spanking.

I really don't think anyone should have a set decision about this matter unless they have spent alot of time with children.
 

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dead.juice said:
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Lol I'm still a newbie on how forums work. Anyways, it's not okay to spank your kids.
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ravensheart18 said:
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Uh, no.

You don't hit or smack a random person on the street who mis-behaves or plays up, so why do it to a small child just because they're yours?
I can't take away a random person's stuff on the street, tell them what they can eat for dinner, make them go to school, tell them what time to go to bed, ground them, tell them to go to the doctor...etc....

Children are not just small adults. They do not have the rights of adults, parents do have a certain amount of control and rights over thier kids that do not apply to strangers on the street.
I know, but spanking/smacking, basically physically (and emotionally) harming your child is not a right a parent has. It's abusing your position as primary carer, it's cruel.

Seriously, as a Mother, I've seen small children be punished and it's a horrific sight to see when you have your own.
That's an arbitray statement on your part.

I've seen kids in this very forum talk about how cruel it is for their parents to take away their PC/internet/xbox/etc for being bad.

If the level of violence is appropriate, I'm not convinced that a smack on the bum is any more harmful to a child than any other punishment (my daughter certainly cries a lot when I say no to her about anything, she'll live)
So, when/if your Daughter is in school and she just so happened to attack another child for being mean to her, how do you tell her it's wrong when you smack her yourself? (You didn't say you did smack her, just sayin')

Parents are suppose to lead examples to their children, show them how to be in the big, real world, not smack them that it becomes so normal they'll think it's OK to do it to others.

And what does telling your Daughter no have to do with it? I tell mine no, she fusses and sometimes kicks up a stink, but that's normal child behavior and testing boundaries. I wouldn't physically attack her over it, though.
 

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Pretty sure I've seen this thread a few
That about sums up my views on the situation, resorting to hitting your kids to get them to behave just smacks of incompetance and impetuousness.
It really doesn't. Once again, it's like yelling at a dog. Sure, they know they did something wrong, but what really comes of it? You need some actual form of punishment. Taking away their toys or video games or computer or whatever only goes so far. A few smacks never hurt anyone (though a lack of them might have).
A few smacks does hurt someone, and that is the kid. That kid's kids, there partner, and most importantly there mental well being. Why do you think that a spank will not leave a mark on the childs mind, it could make them antisocial in the future because they dont want to be near other people, if its a man and they have a wife it will probably lead them to physically abuse their wife because they dont see anything wrong with it. Also HOW does a lack of being spanked hurt there future, they may seem like little s**ts when they're young but if the parent is actually good, they wont need spanking because they will learn whats right and whats wrong through the parent talking to them.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
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"You ever notice how kids were a lot less fucking annoying back when parents were EXPECTED to smack them on the ass if they were acting up?" Evidence?

"So, my answer would be, yes it's alright, and fuck you if you think the slightest bit of physical contact will scar them for life." There might not scar everyone, but it will leave some physcologgical damage in some in the long run. http://www.nospank.net/straus14.htm "DURHAM, N.H. -? Children who are spanked or victims of other corporal punishment are more likely to have sexual problems as a teen or adult, according to new research presented today by Murray Straus, co-director of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire."
Biased source is biased.

And oh please... EVERYONE was hit for thousands of years, and yet somehow they seemed to function sexually and without physcological damage.

I was hit as a kid, just a handful of times. Barely remember them. I was upset at the time (duh, that is the point) but I have no emotional scars or sexual problems.
Everyone? Including the serial killers who violently fucked their victims?
Being a serial killer has nothing to do with being hit, it more often has to do with being a sociopath, where you don't experience normal emotion. In fact the serial killers that rape, are more likely to be spawned from mother who over coddle them
Serial killers have nothing to do with being hit? Tell that to Albert Fish. I wasn't saying that spanking causes someone to become a serial killer. I was trying to poke fun at your black and white statement.You said EVERYONE never had any kind of psychological damage. Surely, there are cases where it has happened; not as extreme as becoming a serial killer, maybe more like being more antisocial. I saw some dude post a link that showed that spanking may lead to an increase rate of antisocial behavior. And where's your evidence to support that serial are spawned by their mother's cuddling?
 

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AMMO Kid said:
All my friends who I know who were spanked are pretty decent people who have respect for rules and authority. All my friends who weren't spanked sort of "obey" authority but they push the boundaries as much as possible. I'm not saying that spanking decides all this but this is an interesting observation.
I was spanked, and I get paranoid whenever I see a cop anywhere. It's partially because I know I've been involved in certain activities that they might not be happy with.
I have a friend who wasn't spanked, but he was disciplined well. He could be high off his ass, and still talk to a cop as if he were sober.
 

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wackymon said:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/skinner.html
this explains why spanking never did, and never WILL work.
skinner is the bomb
Dont even bother linking them to a long article like that, these people think there so right that they probably wont want to read it since it would prove them wrong.
 

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Violence teaches violence.

Besides, shame is a better lesson than pain among children.
 

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I was spanked as a kid, I'm 17 now and very grateful. I've turned out just fine, in the future, if my kid is acting up, he will get spanked. just as he will get sweets and praise when he acts correctly.
 

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ravensheart18 said:
JoJoDeathunter said:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html

Research found above has shown that:

"As 5-year-olds, the children who had been spanked were more likely than the nonspanked to be defiant, demand immediate satisfaction of their wants and needs, become frustrated easily, have temper tantrums and lash out physically against other people or animals."

There are many non-violent alternates which are a little more inconvient for the parent but pay-off in the long run for the children's mental state.
You now what the flaw in that is? It doesn't show causation. Were the kids more trouble because they were spanked? Or were they spanked because they were more trouble?
Read the articles yourself, here's a quote from them which gives you an answer to that:

"The association remained even after her team accounted for varying levels of natural aggression in children, suggesting, she says, that "it's not just that children who are more aggressive are more likely to be spanked."

To be honest, given the number of Escapists who susposedly dislike children I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them would change their tune once they have their own children and suddenly become a lot less eager to disipline physically. I find it a little disturbing that people happily advocate hurting small children and ignore scientific evidence to the contary when there are plenty of non-physical punishments that work far better if you actually have the guts to carry them out.

My mother was a text-book case of badly applied physical disipline, often attempting to avoid using it when she could but then punching me in the face for "smirking" when she lost her temper. Then again her non-physical disipline wasn't much better, telling me and my siblings that she was going to give us up since we couldn't be good, or threating to smash my baby sister's head in with a hammer, or lying to us that she was getting divorced from our dad solely to upset us. I would never want to put any child through something like that and I urge anyone reading this to carefully consider the evidence before making your decision on whether physical punishment really is a good idea.
 

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My theory is that spanking doesn't actually teach the child a lesson it just instills "fear" in an authority that should be showing love and support. Ultimately it doesn't work, and usually encourages more misbehavior. The real solution is to talk it out and take away privileges. The idea of losing gameboy privileges was much worst than getting a spanking.
 

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PukingRainbows said:
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Lol I'm still a newbie on how forums work. Anyways, it's not okay to spank your kids.
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dead.juice said:
PukingRainbows said:
dead.juice said:
PukingRainbows said:
Lol I'm still a newbie on how forums work. Anyways, it's not okay to spank your kids.
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Who are you? Nobody going to care about your simple opinion five pages into a discussion.
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If you stick your hand in fire you get hurt
If you do wrong as child with a basic principle such getting too close to fire, you get hurt. Spanking in my opinion made me turn out a lot less lazy than my younger brother who didn't get spanked and is failing in school
 

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I think it's fine. I got a smacked bottom if I did something wrong and it hasn't messed me up. It's not like I can even really remember it tbh.