Poll: Is there hope for the DCEU?

[Something Amyss]

Sure. I mean, they could learn from this film and move on. They could say "just kidding" and hire someone who can do what Bruce Timm or Greg Weisman did for TV. They could try and make us care about the characters.

But BVS did a projected 424 million worldwide and dominated the box offices, and if this continues next weekend, I don't think the odds are as good as a snowball's chance in hell.

Of course, it could crash hard next week, which would mean they would need to do something. But it can get a 1% on Rotten Tomatoes as long as it brings in money.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I said Maybe.

If WB sees what people didn't like about BvS and makes corrections to the upcoming movies, they might be able to pull it out of the perceived nosedive. Currently on RT, it sits at 29%, down from 31% a few days ago. Where customer reviews rate it at or about 73%. However, and this is a mighty big however, the customer reviews, while rated higher, do not neccesarily paint a different picture to the critiquing written by the professionals. While they the fans do like it, they also point out how bad the movie was. That seems contradictory to me, but then again, I'm not a movie critic.

 

[Callate]

Well, estimates suggest BvS will pull in $420 million this weekend, so I'd hesitate to suggest that it's all over at this point, bad reviews or no. I would certainly hope that everyone involved would like to do better and is capable of learning a lesson or two, but barring a truly remarkable downturn, it doesn't look like the financial end of things is going to be teaching a lot of stern lessons.

 

[Something Amyss]

BTW, as of the time I voted, the poll results make a nice image of a middle finger.

I think it's amusingly symbolic.

 

[mduncan50]

I said Maybe.

If WB sees what people didn't like about BvS and makes corrections to the upcoming movies, they might be able to pull it out of the perceived nosedive. Currently on RT, it sits at 29%, down from 31% a few days ago. Where customer reviews rate it at or about 73%. However, and this is a mighty big however, the customer reviews, while rated higher, do not neccesarily paint a different picture to the critiquing written by the professionals. While they the fans do like it, they also point out how bad the movie was. That seems contradictory to me, but then again, I'm not a movie critic.

I was actually keeping a close eye on the review scores due to an earlier thread I had on the subject, and when Rotten Tomatoes first opened the Audience Reviews a couple of days before the NA release, within an hour there was over 100,000 reviews 95% positive with an average score of 4.7/5. Since the movie actually came out, it has been going down steadily, even with only half as many reviews being added. It will probably come closer to a balance in the end, but for the time being I'd say the critic reviews (whether you agree with them or not) are definitely the more honest.

 

[thepyrethatburns]

Note: I have not yet seen BvS yet so I am going under the assumption that it's not great per reviews...

I'm probably about to slap my own forehead here but....what's the other DCEU movie? The only one released that I can think of is Batman V Superman...

As for the question, I think DC made a huge mistake in it's movie setup. Marvel has spent almost a freaking decade building these movies into the financial juggernaut that is The Avengers. What works, what doesn't work, who does what, how does it connect; all the ups and downs were figured out in the beginning and now they've got it down to a freaking science.

It might still work out for DC (they're saying BvS made $170 million this weekend) since critically panned means nothing to studios as long as it makes money but I don't know how forgiving audiences will be if they start recognizing that the Marvel movies are generally solid and the DC ones kind of suck...

I cannot believe I am bringing the Transformers movies into this topic and I really hate to bring it but:

The Transformers movies have been panned to death by critics and yet its box office just keeps gettin higher with each movie.

When I watch this movie in theaters at the end of it people clapped. The masses will see anything popular and heavily marketed and they will make money anyway.

Precisely. I haven't seen the movie yet but, in the face of this type of box office, this topic seems more like a load of butthurt to me. Even if I do see the movie and hate it, I'm not currently worried about the future of the DCEU. To be blunt, after Age of Ultron and it's issues, the amusing-yet-formulaic Ant-Man, promises of increased humor for Thor 3 and the contracts for the big money-makers in the MCU expiring, I am less worried about the DCEU and more worried about the future of the MCU.

 

[Kyrian007]

Yes, the DCEU is fine. There is a lot of material there that good creative teams can make into fantastic movies. But they need right now to fire everyone currently involved, reboot, and do it differently (with some actual thought put into it) and it will be fine. And they would be best off doing that planning until Marvel actually makes a movie that bombs... and THEN announcing the "new DCEU."

 

[Something Amyss]

The Transformers movies have been panned to death by critics and yet its box office just keeps gettin higher with each movie.

Except the last one, which was slightly less (I'll call it statistically even) worldwide and was the lowest domestic grossing TF movie of the four.

I mean, this could be the case here. But then, there was a time when the safe money was on Superman Returns being the big hit and Batman Begins not being it. Word of mouth creamed one after the first weekend and probably made the other. I mean, it's not the only reason we have the Nolan Trilogy, but no Returns sequel, but it's a chunk of it.

 

[FPLOON]

Yes... Unfortunately, it's will only be available in the Blu-ray version thus far...

Other than that, I'm still going to see Suicide Squad because it hasn't reached the big screen beforehand...

 

[Hawki]

Haven't seen BvS, but I'm well aware of the flak it's got. That said, I have put "yes" as my option.

At this point, we're more or less guaranteed two more DCEU films (Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman). I wouldn't be surprised if JLA is put on the backburner for now, but those two films have the chance to turn public perception around. And regardless of one's personal preferences, going by critical consensus, we have one mixed to positive-received movie (Man of Steel) and one negative to mixed movie (BvS). That's not exactly a good start, but it's not an outright disaster either. Bear in mind the MCU had Hulk and Iron Man 2 at the start of its run.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

I think they'll be fine. Despite the critical reception, they'll probably still make a decent amount of money from this.

Another thing to consider; I can't help but notice the menu bar at the top of this page that reads--

| Video Games | Movies & TV | Comics & Cosplay | Tabletop | Science & Tech |

-- The fact of the matter is, we're all posting on a website devoted to geeky hobbies. While the people here might be turned off of DC movies at the moment, I really have to wonder whether the general public of movie goers--the people who make up the bulk of revenue--even know enough about comics to be selectively turned off of DC but not Marvel. To most people, it's all super heroes, and Batman and Superman are still popular and profitable characters.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

If Suicide Squad gets good reviews, which I think it clearly should, I think it's clear sailing ahead.

BvS had A LOT of world building it had to do, and I think it did it. I walked away from it really looking forward to where the puck is going with the Injustice storyline they seem to be heading towards.

But I need/want a standalone Batman film with this Batman and Alfred, cause it would just be awesome.

Why should Suicide Squad "clearly" get good reviews? I've yet to see anything about it that interests me. Joker looks like some emo punk, Harley has been over-sexualized to the point of parody, and everyone else so far look like generic stock characters. I'm not saying it is going to be bad, but I've yet to see something to get excited about, and I definitely wasn't expecting Dawn of Justice to be 29% bad.
As for the original post, it's hard to pin down how BvS is going to do until next weekend when we see how big the drop is after the initial hype, but I think they've got two more kicks at the can. Suicide Squad needs to be "good" at the very least, and then Wonder Woman needs to hit it out of the park since she's seen by many as the bright spot in Dawn of Justice. If they can't manage that, people just aren't going to waste their money any more.

Because it's a smaller narrative. It's a heist movie. It doesn't have to set the table for this giant universe like BvS needed, so it has a really good chance of just being good and not needlessly complicated.

Here are our villains. Here's how the Government treats them, explaining the revolving doors of Arkham. Here's Amanda Waller. Here's the thing they gotta steal. It's nice and neat and has the opportunity to just exist as it's own thing.

After seeing BvS, I feel like Joker and Harley's designs fit pretty well into that universe they made. If they existed in our world, they probably would look like a couple of Heroine junkies.

 

[TakerFoxx]

Suicide Squad is the only one that has half a chance, in my opinion. And that's mainly because Snyder and Goyer aren't involved and it looks like they're at least trying to make it fun.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

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I've likewise been watching the reviews because, despite not really being interested in the movie itself, everything surrounding the movie has somewhat fascinated me. Let me just say, from what I've witnessed, I consider pretty much any user review sections to be untrustworthy, bordering on null and void, due to the blatant 10/10 spamming of fanboys who see the movie as a cause to rally around, rather than a piece of media.
Despite their efforts, the user scores have been falling from their absolutely absurd earlier position as more and more reviews flood in and average it out to be more representative of the actual audience reaction.
If you compare snapshot taken at the time of the previous thread, you can see this trend quite clearly.

 

[Scarim Coral]

No.

I find their problem is that they don't embrace that character for who he or she truly is. I mean Batman is pretty much right but for Superman, it's truth, justice and the American ways.

Heck even the animated DC movies have been pulling it better than SvB!

 

[The Enquirer]

Hey at least they made money because that's the most important thing in making these kind of movies, right? right? right?

Well let's do some math here.
Deadpool earned over a 1000% return on a 58 million dollar investment, coming out with 619 million.
Man of Steel had a 225 million dollar budget and made a little under 300% return with 668 million.
The Avengers had a budget of just about 220 million and came back making slightly under 700% return with 1.52 billion.

There's some conflicted reports about how much BvS cost to make, 250 or 400 million, so working with the lowest number, 250 million, it would need to make just under 750 million to be as successful as Man of Steel. Give that there's reports of it already coming in having made 420 million, that certainly seems plausible.

For the bit on my opinion, I believe that WB is going to try and continue to muscle through with the franchise because, let's face it, people are still going to go and see it regardless. So I have hope that it will continue, but very little that it will actually be worthwhile.

How do you fuck up Doomsday so bad?

 

[Antonio Torrente]

Hey at least they made money because that's the most important thing in making these kind of movies, right? right? right?

Well let's do some math here.
Deadpool earned over a 1000% return on a 58 million dollar investment, coming out with 619 million.
Man of Steel had a 225 million dollar budget and made a little under 300% return with 668 million.
The Avengers had a budget of just about 220 million and came back making slightly under 700% return with 1.52 billion.

There's some conflicted reports about how much BvS cost to make, 250 or 400 million, so working with the lowest number, 250 million, it would need to make just under 750 million to be as successful as Man of Steel. Give that there's reports of it already coming in having made 420 million, that certainly seems plausible.

For the bit on my opinion, I believe that WB is going to try and continue to muscle through with the franchise because, let's face it, people are still going to go and see it regardless. So I have hope that it will continue, but very little that it will actually be worthwhile.

How do you fuck up Doomsday so bad?

The question now is, how much the drop will be for the second week? Because some people will see again and some will be disappointed and won't see it again. As for Doomsday, I don't know ask Fox they pretty much fuck up as simple as Fan4stic.

 

[The Enquirer]

Hey at least they made money because that's the most important thing in making these kind of movies, right? right? right?

Well let's do some math here.
Deadpool earned over a 1000% return on a 58 million dollar investment, coming out with 619 million.
Man of Steel had a 225 million dollar budget and made a little under 300% return with 668 million.
The Avengers had a budget of just about 220 million and came back making slightly under 700% return with 1.52 billion.

There's some conflicted reports about how much BvS cost to make, 250 or 400 million, so working with the lowest number, 250 million, it would need to make just under 750 million to be as successful as Man of Steel. Give that there's reports of it already coming in having made 420 million, that certainly seems plausible.

For the bit on my opinion, I believe that WB is going to try and continue to muscle through with the franchise because, let's face it, people are still going to go and see it regardless. So I have hope that it will continue, but very little that it will actually be worthwhile.

How do you fuck up Doomsday so bad?

The question now is, how much the drop will be for the second week? Because some people will see again and some will be disappointed and won't see it again.

I know this is completely situational but when I went to see it the theater wasn't even packed full, and it was an AMC theater. When I went to see The Avengers years ago me and my girlfriend couldn't actually find seats together, also an AMC theater. It was the same filled up seats during Captain America: TWS more recently. So that's actually a very good point you bring up.

 

[Antonio Torrente]

Hey at least they made money because that's the most important thing in making these kind of movies, right? right? right?

Well let's do some math here.
Deadpool earned over a 1000% return on a 58 million dollar investment, coming out with 619 million.
Man of Steel had a 225 million dollar budget and made a little under 300% return with 668 million.
The Avengers had a budget of just about 220 million and came back making slightly under 700% return with 1.52 billion.

There's some conflicted reports about how much BvS cost to make, 250 or 400 million, so working with the lowest number, 250 million, it would need to make just under 750 million to be as successful as Man of Steel. Give that there's reports of it already coming in having made 420 million, that certainly seems plausible.

For the bit on my opinion, I believe that WB is going to try and continue to muscle through with the franchise because, let's face it, people are still going to go and see it regardless. So I have hope that it will continue, but very little that it will actually be worthwhile.

How do you fuck up Doomsday so bad?

The question now is, how much the drop will be for the second week? Because some people will see again and some will be disappointed and won't see it again.

I know this is completely situational but when I went to see it the theater wasn't even packed full, and it was an AMC theater. When I went to see The Avengers years ago me and my girlfriend couldn't actually find seats together, also an AMC theater. It was the same filled up seats during Captain America: TWS more recently. So that's actually a very good point you bring up.

Really? I thought no matter how god awful this movie will be, at least the first week the theaters will be full to the brim with people (who waited literally decades) if not more so than the Avengers to see it. So that's really surprising for me.

 

[The Enquirer]

Hey at least they made money because that's the most important thing in making these kind of movies, right? right? right?

Well let's do some math here.
Deadpool earned over a 1000% return on a 58 million dollar investment, coming out with 619 million.
Man of Steel had a 225 million dollar budget and made a little under 300% return with 668 million.
The Avengers had a budget of just about 220 million and came back making slightly under 700% return with 1.52 billion.

There's some conflicted reports about how much BvS cost to make, 250 or 400 million, so working with the lowest number, 250 million, it would need to make just under 750 million to be as successful as Man of Steel. Give that there's reports of it already coming in having made 420 million, that certainly seems plausible.

For the bit on my opinion, I believe that WB is going to try and continue to muscle through with the franchise because, let's face it, people are still going to go and see it regardless. So I have hope that it will continue, but very little that it will actually be worthwhile.

How do you fuck up Doomsday so bad?

The question now is, how much the drop will be for the second week? Because some people will see again and some will be disappointed and won't see it again.

I know this is completely situational but when I went to see it the theater wasn't even packed full, and it was an AMC theater. When I went to see The Avengers years ago me and my girlfriend couldn't actually find seats together, also an AMC theater. It was the same filled up seats during Captain America: TWS more recently. So that's actually a very good point you bring up.

Really? I thought no matter how god awful this movie will be, at least the first week the theaters will be full to the brim with people (who waited literally decades) if not more so than the Avengers to see it. So that's really surprising for me.

Yea, we saw it the 26th. There were quite a few seats open around us. Granted it's a big theater but it was actually the exact same showroom I've seen Star Wars, Captain America 2, Thor 2, Avengers 2 and a number of other movies in that were either more filled or entirely filled. All of which I saw on opening night or weekend.