Poll: Is WoW really worth it?

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DirkGently

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Don't listen to the people who call it a mindless grindfest. Yeah, it is a grind, but then again, what isn't. Halo is a grind, you're doing the same thing over and over again. COD4 is grind, life is grind. Try the trial and try to get your friends to make a new character to play with you. Also, it is a RPG. If you do enjoy playing a role in combat, and you're playing with your friends, you'll probably get a kick out of doing instances and raids and the harder quests. Give it a shot, if you like it, keep playing. if you don't, don't.
 

rossatdi

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DirkGently said:
Don't listen to the people who call it a mindless grindfest. Yeah, it is a grind, but then again, what isn't. Halo is a grind, you're doing the same thing over and over again. COD4 is grind, life is grind.
Multiplayer CoD4 and Halo certainly isn't a grind at least for everyone who isn't going purely for achievements and the like.

Of course life is a grind but grinding life hard gets you considerable better outfits, equipment and quests than WoW ever will. Hell, if you grind the right things in life you live longer, look better and get laid more. Don't cost a monthly fee either.
 

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rossatdi said:
DirkGently said:
Don't listen to the people who call it a mindless grindfest. Yeah, it is a grind, but then again, what isn't. Halo is a grind, you're doing the same thing over and over again. COD4 is grind, life is grind.
Multiplayer CoD4 and Halo certainly isn't a grind at least for everyone who isn't going purely for achievements and the like.

Of course life is a grind but grinding life hard gets you considerable better outfits, equipment and quests than WoW ever will. Hell, if you grind the right things in life you live longer, look better and get laid more. Don't cost a monthly fee either.
Arguably it does cost a fee, unless you are speaking as a homeless person rossatdi? :p I think the point made was that WoW although designed to maximise the player's time spent, is about as much of a grind as one can spend doing well...anything too much. And too much of anything is a bad thing.


That said, WoW can be enjoyable on it's own terms, you just have to find something you like with it and start playing, if you find you don't enjoy it, don't play, seems rather simple no?
 

rossatdi

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GothmogII said:
rossatdi said:
DirkGently said:
Don't listen to the people who call it a mindless grindfest. Yeah, it is a grind, but then again, what isn't. Halo is a grind, you're doing the same thing over and over again. COD4 is grind, life is grind.
Multiplayer CoD4 and Halo certainly isn't a grind at least for everyone who isn't going purely for achievements and the like.

Of course life is a grind but grinding life hard gets you considerable better outfits, equipment and quests than WoW ever will. Hell, if you grind the right things in life you live longer, look better and get laid more. Don't cost a monthly fee either.
Arguably it does cost a fee, unless you are speaking as a homeless person rossatdi? :p I think the point made was that WoW although designed to maximise the player's time spent, is about as much of a grind as one can spend doing well...anything too much. And too much of anything is a bad thing.

That said, WoW can be enjoyable on it's own terms, you just have to find something you like with it and start playing, if you find you don't enjoy it, don't play, seems rather simple no?
Ah yes but the upkeep/monthly fee on one's life is unfortunately not optional like WoW's. I totally get playing things for the fun of them, even if sometimes its a bit of grind (yeah most games require a bit).

But so many people spend so much time on it. It cripples them financially, academically, socially ("no John none of us care what you did with your guild last night, why are you even here?") and even there health. I guess these people are always going to waste their time on something but there's a certain addictiveness to WoW that puts it up there with the most aggressive of drugs.
 

Amnestic

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But so many people spend so much time on it. It cripples them financially, academically, socially ("no John none of us care what you did with your guild last night, why are you even here?") and even there health. I guess these people are always going to waste their time on something but there's a certain addictiveness to WoW that puts it up there with the most aggressive of drugs.
Bolded the key statement there. If it wasn't WoW it'd be something else. They're choosing to play it, no one's forcing them. If they want to get 'crippled' (how does £9/month cripple anyone with a job financially anyway?), then let them.
 

Cid Silverwing

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WoW > EVE Online
(And don't you fanboys even think about replying about it)

WoW is only worth it if you enjoy infinite grinding, but at least there the interfaces are customizable to your liking and you have no trouble maneuvering anywhere (like in EVE).
 

ianuam

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Ignore the naysayers, it's a better way to spend 9quid a month than on Alcohol. I found the quests involving at a low level, and half the fun of WoW is the low level quests training you while gradually involving you in the world. + You can talk to your friends while you do so. If your friends are max level then you may even get a few free dungeon run throughs. Just don't go round asking every high level for runs or gold, it's asking to be blocked.
 

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Amnestic said:
Bolded the key statement there. If it wasn't WoW it'd be something else. They're choosing to play it, no one's forcing them. If they want to get 'crippled' (how does £9/month cripple anyone with a job financially anyway?), then let them.
Because the time they waste on it can rob them of energy at work, get them fired. I am talking about the extremes of the issue. Two separate friends; one basically failed his degree and put on a lot of weight due to WoW (there are other issues there, but I'm looking at the major time sink); the other got point blank told to his face that he'd have been promoted by now if he'd seemed less "sleepy" at work.
 

Amnestic

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rossatdi said:
Amnestic said:
Bolded the key statement there. If it wasn't WoW it'd be something else. They're choosing to play it, no one's forcing them. If they want to get 'crippled' (how does £9/month cripple anyone with a job financially anyway?), then let them.
Because the time they waste on it can rob them of energy at work, get them fired. I am talking about the extremes of the issue. Two separate friends; one basically failed his degree and put on a lot of weight due to WoW (there are other issues there, but I'm looking at the major time sink); the other got point blank told to his face that he'd have been promoted by now if he'd seemed less "sleepy" at work.
At least you pointed out you were talking about the extremes. Most of the time this doesn't happen, picking up on it as a warning is good, saying people shouldn't play because of it not so much.
 

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Amnestic said:
At least you pointed out you were talking about the extremes. Most of the time this doesn't happen, picking up on it as a warning is good, saying people shouldn't play because of it not so much.
Well I'm not saying ban it! I'm just saying that its really really fucking dangerous for a lot of people that wouldn't naturally find something with this kind of time sink potential. I'm a two hours in the evening, a few times a week kind of gamer but the people who can just sit there all day will with WoW.

These aren't too extreme. I'm talking two of my close friends out of maybe 5 I know that play it (or have). I think I'm beating the odds but I really wouldn't be surprised if something like 1 in 4 players suffer adverse affects from it.

P.S. At no point in the last 2 years have I ever chosen to game over going out (even on sodding release days!). I think I've lost being 'hardcore' and become 'veteran'.
 

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Like with many things, "YMMV". This really depends on whether or not you are an RPG player or someone who might be into MMOs. The problem with an MMO like WoW is that the carrot on a stick method of advancement is stronger than it is in other games, mostly due to the need for shiny. Combine that with an interface that is simpler than tears and you get wide appeal for the game.

But the game itself isn't particularly worthwhile to me because you are required to play hours upon hours a week to actually make a difference, whether that is in Arena or in PvE dungeons. I was a senior officer, a raid leader, and got through just about all of the PvE content before TBC, and it was just becoming too much of an awful second-job thing.

If you only turn it on once or twice a month you will most certainly fall behind the curve. I wouldn't bother.
 

KaZZaP

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no its not, its a fun game but its like 5 years old, get warhammer instead its a lot more fun the wow, and I mean alot
 

Spectre39

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Ok, I'm an avid WoW player so I might have some insight for ya.

Dismissing the game because of it being "a grind fest" is like dismissing a shooter for the "violence". Grinding is a necessary part of MMOs as yahtzee tells in his Tabula Rosa review (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/9-Tabula-Rasa) . If there were no grind, well then the game would be Fable. A nifty slash'em up that you would only play for a week at the most.

It helps if you have played other mmorpgs before WoW to get the right perspective. I grew up on a horrible java based mmo called "Runescape". The grinding was insanely boring on that game, usually consisting of killing thousands of monsters to get a single level. The professions system on that game was also like climbing a mountain; I had to work out a huge math equation to organize how I was going to spend the next five hours straight mining hundreds of ore and smithing swords just so I could gain another single level. Grind-tastic!!

In comparison WoW is nothing like Runescape's style of level gaining. You do quests to gain experience and it doesn't take very much to get those levels. As you level up you travel the world, never staying in the same zone for too long. Runescape would level you bashing your head against a wall mowing down monsters in the same room for days. The profession system is also very straight forward, no complex math or hours spent grinding.

WoW will not ruin your life any more than a TV can. Sure you can pour hours and hours on end into it, but only if you choose to. Even the WoW loading screen will tell you to take things into moderation. There's plenty of concessions wow makes to the casual audience. For instance, when you're offline you accumulate exp bonuses to make your leveling go faster. That said however, you can't expect to only play 2-3 hours a week and reach the cap level in a timely matter.

My final advice is to get a free trial. You never know if you like or hate something based on what other people tell you. Try it out for yourself, there's nothing to lose and if you love it, a lot to gain.

Furthermore if you are grindaphobic, look up Blizzard's deal of "Recruit a Friend" before you buy a subscription. If you use the deal, you get triple exp gains shuttling you into the better bits.
 

DirkGently

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I'm somewhat depressed that I missed this wonderful discussion. Sure, WoW can cause people to be to distracted and all thta and get to involved, but so can anything else. The people who are bound to get too involved into WoW are the people likely to get involved into playing tons of Halo or COD4 or Little Big Planet. It doesn't matter what game it is, they'll get into it too much. I'd be one of those people if I lost all self control.

Also, COD4 is a grind. Halo is grind.

Run Around.
Find Enemy.
Shoot.
Kill/die.
Repeat.

Sounds a lot like WoW.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm bit tired of the whole 'not hanging out with people in real life is bad' thing. Perhaps being a child of the internet has raised me with a whole different slew of standards form the general population, but I don't consider hanging out with people in real life to be a real high point of my day.
 

Spectre39

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s-l-u-g said:
If you want constant griding and idiotic ways of dealing with your death. [walk back to your body, whereever it may be as opposed to just ressurecting at a pre-determined spot.]
Say whaa? WoW has the best death system out there. Would you prefer Runescape's method of death where you lose all of your hard earned items per death? This game isn't Bioshock or Halo in which you just respawn with no consequences. It's an mmo, not a shoot'em up. If you want to insta-rez you can take a spirit heal, provided you're ok with rez sickness and durability loss. Laziness doesn't pay.

Besides, insta-rezing on your corpse would be a reward for recklessness. The game would be no challenge if you never had to be concerned with death. You should avoid dying, not embrace it.
 

jobobob

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Lower levels arent all that fun but higher up levels get really fun mostly the pvp and raids other than that its boring.
 

almo

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Cid SilverWing said:
WoW > EVE Online
(And don't you fanboys even think about replying about it)

WoW is only worth it if you enjoy infinite grinding, but at least there the interfaces are customizable to your liking and you have no trouble maneuvering anywhere (like in EVE).
EVE > WoW. Obviously. Offline skill training, a player-run market, player-sovereignty over null-sec systems, no level cap (well, no levels), no need to play every day, better "guild" structures (corps and alliances way beat WoW's guild system), better crafting system, free expansions (there's another next week!)... the list goes on and on.

However: WoW is much easier to learn, and pays off faster. But EVE keeps paying off for years. http://upload.0x1011.org/files/LearningCurve.jpg This pic is not too far from the truth. Stick with it though, and it's worth the effort.
 

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Cid SilverWing said:
WoW > EVE Online.

That's kind of like saying eating vomit is better than eating fecal matter. Why would you do either, ya know...


Wow, Eve... They're not really games in the same way that an engine with wheels and a harsh, uncomfortable seat isn't really a car... They're time burners... If you're bored out of your skull and considering licking paint chips because that's the most amusing thing you can think of, then give them a go, otherwise, play anything that's an actual game.


...In fact, you might wanna consider licking the paint chips anyways, it's not as pretty, but it's just as painful and at least it's free.