Don't get me wrong, I'm not a communist by a long stretch, but generally their ideology is that all the workers will work together in some harmonious paradise for the benefit for society rather than themselves. Obviously this pretty clearly wouldn't function in real life, 20th century communist countries were at the best very inefficient and as you mentioned, at their worst often associated with terrible atrocities, hence why I describe communists as "optimistic" that their ideas would work.Heimir said:So optimistic that they've committed the worst atrocities in human history. Really good bunch that lot.JoJo said:I doubt it, communists tend to be optimistic about human nature and all that jazz and Yahtzee strikes me a pretty cynical dude (at-least, his ZP persona which we're talking about). He did once mention Conversative polices as being "harsh" I think so I'd guess he's likely center or center-left.
I am not completely informed on all of the requirements ect to call yourself communist but i am far left leaning, i mean i've read the communist manifesto and seen (not read) a few of chomsky's lectures about what it means but i doubt it covers everything or even alot just the basic principles. So for now I'll just call myself a leftist.FEichinger said:As an actual communist I feel offended by the implications of the OP.
Ironic as you assume communist = state controlled.The Rogue Wolf said:Hmm. Now, I've seen pretty much evey episode of Zero Punctuation, and at no point do I recall Yahtzee ever advocating for the state takeover of private business and property. In fact, he runs a business and has published a book for profit. So no, I don't believe Benjamin Croshaw is a communist.
Also, tell your brother to pick up a book and learn what the term "communist" actually means.
I believe you're thinking about socialists. A socialistic utopia is all about abandoning the whole concept of ownership and wealth and such and instead create a shared pool of resources that everyone has an equal access to. The fundamental thinking behind that is that humanity can be taught to think responsibly and leave behind feelings of greed and prejudice and such. The Federation from Star Trek is an example of such vision.JoJo said:communists tend to be optimistic about human nature and all that jazz
This, really. We mustn't mix socialism and communism. Myself, I don't follow any ideology. I established my own model of an anti-hierarchic communism - basically a stateless collection of small groups of people supplying each other within the group, and trading outside the group. Lack of a currency. No superior type of government, just a "Aid the group or get evicted." collective. Legion, if you will.Flimsii said:I am not completely informed on all of the requirements ect to call yourself communist but i am far left leaning, i mean i've read the communist manifesto and seen (not read) a few of chomsky's lectures about what it means but i doubt it covers everything or even alot just the basic principles. So for now I'll just call myself a leftist.FEichinger said:As an actual communist I feel offended by the implications of the OP.
But based on these principles i find this thread hilarious due to all the inaccurate portrayals of what communism actually is.
Why wouldnt video games exist in a communist society, people need entertainment so surely it would need to be a role that needs filling.
Communist does not mean state controls everything, it means the workers own the means to production
Also dont call Russia or China communist if you do then you are grossly misinformed. They are state capitalist, stop calling them communist. Its as laughable as calling the west a free market capitalist economy or saying that the nazi's were communist cause they had socialist in their party name. They hated communists.
Ironic as you assume communist = state controlled.The Rogue Wolf said:Hmm. Now, I've seen pretty much evey episode of Zero Punctuation, and at no point do I recall Yahtzee ever advocating for the state takeover of private business and property. In fact, he runs a business and has published a book for profit. So no, I don't believe Benjamin Croshaw is a communist.
Also, tell your brother to pick up a book and learn what the term "communist" actually means.
True communism is stateless.
/facepalm.Da Orky Man said:snip
No, it is seen (from the American standpoint) as the government asking for more taxes to keep an ineffective healthcare system that will be abused and create even more debt.
Actually. Socialism is an attempt to create a larger goverment by slowly nationalizing the industry. And then removing currency to make way for communism. Hence why the moderate socialists are social-democrats. And not commu-democrats. Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism, not the reverse.Product Placement said:I believe you're thinking about socialists. A socialistic utopia is all about abandoning the whole concept of ownership and wealth and such and instead create a shared pool of resources that everyone has an equal access to. The fundamental thinking behind that is that humanity can be taught to think responsibly and leave behind feelings of greed and prejudice and such. The Federation from Star Trek is an example of such vision.JoJo said:communists tend to be optimistic about human nature and all that jazz
Communism is the attempt to create a socialist world by leaving all resource management to the government; everything becomes government owned. Here the belief is that people can't be trusted with the responsibilities that true socialism demands of them and that it must be placed in the hands of a trusted authority. The fundamental flaw behind that concept is that you risk giving the government so much power that it gains totalitarian control over everyone. The rulers live in luxury while the people suffer. That is what happened to the Soviet Union.
In short. Socialism isn't Communism. Communism is an attempt to create Socialism.
Brilliant.Ldude893 said:Ben "Yahtzee" Crowshaw is not a communist. He may be an Australian citizen, an Englishman, a homosexual, a communist, but he is not a porn star.
Most probably the case. America was in such a prolonged cold War with the Communists USSR and its communist allies that it ended up in a similar position as England where "french" practially became a by-word for "the enemy". I heard a story from the Crimean war of a British officer who insisted on referring their their Russian enemies as "The French" even though France was Britain's ally at the time (for the first time in a VERY long time, arguably EVER).AhumbleKnight said:I don't think your brother has any idea what communism is. Maybe if you look up what makes person communist and what the political idiology of communism is all about you will learn a lot and then you can happily tell your brother that he has no idea how wrong he is.
Isn't that either quibbling over semantics of what a state is or a "no true scotsman" fallacy?Flimsii said:Ironic as you assume communist = state controlled.
True communism is stateless.
This guy wins, Starting the think this website is for 13 year olds. Puts me off gaming.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:I think the real question here is: who cares?