Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

[G-Force]

Sorry I live in a state where it is on the books, can't sign away my rights and contracts can not be blind agreements.

But weak at best. Just cause it says if you cheat we rape and murder your children, they can't do it. Monitoring their own servers for cheating is their right, monitoring my pc not so much.

The FBI can monitor such things, document it for court... child porn cases are the best example.

Blizzard is not sanctioned to spy on people, not trained to gather and perserve evidence, and if you don't see the abuse of power, why not you buy SC2...

Log into battle.net and make a new account. Whoops that name is already taken.

HACKER ALERT.

Your game has been disabled for attempted hacking. Please send 59.99 to [email protected]

It's called noticing violations of privacy and abuse of such behavior in the future. Or have we forgotten microsofts never ending searching of hard drives?

Fact of the matter was you agreed to the risks which were laid out on you in black and white. If you do action X then consequence Y will follow. The cheaters were caught doing X and now will face consequence Y as stated to the terms that they agreed to. These players were informed about this that using 3rd party softwear was against the terms and the terms did not go on to say "only" in multi-player mode. Hell even the people who make these cheats say "use at your own risk" so they know this stuff is risky. Both the game warned these people as well as the people making the cheats so they have no right to get pissed off when they knew full well what was in store for them

 

[Spencer Petersen]

But if you enter a race with rules that signify that all the cars must not be modded i think the referee has the right to disqualify you

but not the right to ban you from your car.

But it doesn't fry your game, it blocks your battlenet login, but you can play the campaign all you want.

In the analogy the refs tag your vehicle so it cant be used in competitive racing. You can drive around all you want, but no more racing for you

But why would a ref be allowed to ban you from racing for what you did on a dirt road? The ref isn't allowed to stalk you, dictate how you practiced, what you practiced in ect.

Ref only has the right to call you on something in the race where there are rules.
If the driver has the license, a private track on private land, he can make his own rules.

And because he practiced in a corvette and he was to enter the race in a pinto....long as he shows up to race day in the pinto...what harm is there?

The dirt road would be the offline multiplayer, and blizzard wont ban you for using hacks there. The reason cheating is wrong in the connected campaign is because you are basically invalidating any real work anyone else has done without cheats. What if blizzard wanted to put in a record board for stuff like "least units lost in a campaign" or "fastest completion time" and let all the people continue cheating? It would ruin the point of it because the top scores would be only filled with people who cheated to get there.

And as for the corvette and pinto, well if you have 2 battlenet accounts and cheated in one, you can use the other no problem, but i fail to see how using cheats is "practicing" in any way

The ban doesn't destroy your private land, that will always be there.

Try to think of it this way. If you are a professional athlete and use steroids to practice at home, all the power to you, the only person you hurts is yourself. But if you try to go for a Guinness world record for something like lifting weights, i think the board has the right to ban you for your steroid use. You can go right back to lifting weights and doing steroids at home.
See?

 

[Carlston]

I can't say I can word this any other way. Sorry if you feel I'm just repeating myself again, but I hope you can see what I have presented is a fair argument. Whether you wish to reply or not is your decision, but I'm not sure I can argue this further as I've put every belief I have in this case on here. In summary, the gamers tried to cheat an online service and Blizzard is giving them due punishment after telling everyone not to. I don't see how that isn't fair.[/quote]

Achievement unlocked.

Longest Post Evar.

The fix to this is easy, no single player awards unless your on a service like steam or battle.net just even for single player monitoring. Other wise I don't agree to them spying on me, and it damn well seems like a excuse to. But in the end, it's a excuse to sell another game copy... with a very thin excuse, for a non-important non existant badge of nerd honor.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

I will even make it easy Nah... but a vaccumm cleaner "CAR" is on a whole new level then a video game. It has one programmable function, it sucks shit up to clean your floor. It doesnt interact with other vaccumm cleaner owners to show off your leet vaccuum skills. Nor is it a piece of software that needs to be updated and not have its programming rewritten by 3rd party users. Blizzard supports and has supported hackers as long as they do it in their safe environment such as "i reiterate" OFFLINE MODE. fantastic times GARAK anymore lame arguments?

Eh some nerd just rage when people who have jobs and loved one seem to finish a game when they grinded 80 hours and wasted so much life they have to devalue someone else.

If It's offline, it's none of blizzards business.

It's damn right scary when these jackoffs look into making a new buck it's not how to make a better game, it's how to make you buy the old game again with excuses...

Your to close to a pc you might download cheat codes, your couch has a foot rest giving you better blood flow and a unfair advantage... your cat/dog licked/nuzzled the controller while you played, that's 3rd party game assitance...

Only a idiot would agree that this behavior is ok, oh they would IF they didn't take 30 seconds to think what the next steps they will take to leech a buck are.

SO pretty sure you are kind of bad too? you dont list game assitance you list player. that is user changes if my arm is broken it doesnt make the other guy with 2 working arms a cheater it means he was playing smarter or more enjoyably... and again the dudes weren't cheating anyone out of anything... not to mention this happened after the massive wave of bans that ended with them saying "anyone caught cheating will be banned". Why should I stop supporting blizzard because some punks can't listen to a few rules?


YOu all love it so much so lets discuss favorite sports? and how would you feel about a dude cheating blatantly and getting called?

Sure. Let's CALL this. Since your didn't understand what I was getting at fine...
Jerry Rice, my fav football player.

Jerry plays football. Jerry does not do steroids, Jerry does not late hit, Jerry does not break any NFL rule when on the grid iron.

NFL bans Jerry for "cheating" at Flag football, his field was not regulation, he was playing with drunk friends and used a 30 yard field instead of the regulation 100 yard. Did not use a new regulation ball, used a 20 year old one from storage. Was called on not wearing pads, regulation helmet and a cup. Oh and ref is mad he was not paid 75 bucks a hour to ref said flag football game.

NFL ref basicly stalked Jerry, followed him around town and when he played football by himself and with friends outside of said NFL he was banned for "cheating" and policy violation.


I myself, have many injuries from the military, ruined wrists, mild stroke, and heck even thyroid cancer with affect long gaming sessions. I proudly say I play a game through onces, then I'll cheat, skip, look up faqs to make the game more fun on round 2. Why care? Bliz and the other companies should be lucky anyone plays these games a second time through anymore.

So now Blizzard expects me to have the reflexes of a healthy 15 obessive compulsive, no life, no job, and if your not to snuff you can't see the ending of a game? Like kicking someone out of a movie telling them to pay again if they got up and took a pee. Your cheating, the other people didn't pee and if they did they buy a new ticket.

HA, right.

Btw

You noticed we aren't talking multiplayer... I hate all cheating in that area.

Single player... Single player...who cares what someone does in single player.

I agree, Jerry Rice should not be banned for this, but if he wants to go to the Hall of Fame board and demand that all the yards he ran the ball in that game should count for his statistics, then no way. The in-game cheats block achievement progress for a reason

 

[Carlston]

The ban doesn't destroy your private land, that will always be there.

Try to think of it this way. If you are a professional athlete and use steroids to practice at home, all the power to you, the only person you hurts is yourself. But if you try to go for a Guinness world record for something like lifting weights, i think the board has the right to ban you for your steroid use. You can go right back to lifting weights and doing steroids at home.
See?[/quote]

No I don't see. Steroids come from the home to the pros.

It's more like throwing a baseball weighting 30 grams, when the pros use 50 grams.

Easier at home, when you go to the big game with the pros they are using a 50 gram ball...
All your "cheating" is invalidated...

But some how a crybaby who used the 50 gram ball whines, then the "pros" demand another entrance fee for "unfair" practicing?

I get it, single player "hard worked achievements" I just can't rally behind this idea of nerd badges being this important from SINGLE player.

It's achiterophie masturbation.

And it's a damn excuse to break a game and make a hack software company that can only remake the same 3 games to resell another copy...

And the nerd rage fan base will support their fake badges of honor at the cost of privacy?
Seriously it's not a good enough reason for me.

 

[Carlston]

I will even make it easy Nah... but a vaccumm cleaner "CAR" is on a whole new level then a video game. It has one programmable function, it sucks shit up to clean your floor. It doesnt interact with other vaccumm cleaner owners to show off your leet vaccuum skills. Nor is it a piece of software that needs to be updated and not have its programming rewritten by 3rd party users. Blizzard supports and has supported hackers as long as they do it in their safe environment such as "i reiterate" OFFLINE MODE. fantastic times GARAK anymore lame arguments?

Eh some nerd just rage when people who have jobs and loved one seem to finish a game when they grinded 80 hours and wasted so much life they have to devalue someone else.

If It's offline, it's none of blizzards business.

It's damn right scary when these jackoffs look into making a new buck it's not how to make a better game, it's how to make you buy the old game again with excuses...

Your to close to a pc you might download cheat codes, your couch has a foot rest giving you better blood flow and a unfair advantage... your cat/dog licked/nuzzled the controller while you played, that's 3rd party game assitance...

Only a idiot would agree that this behavior is ok, oh they would IF they didn't take 30 seconds to think what the next steps they will take to leech a buck are.

SO pretty sure you are kind of bad too? you dont list game assitance you list player. that is user changes if my arm is broken it doesnt make the other guy with 2 working arms a cheater it means he was playing smarter or more enjoyably... and again the dudes weren't cheating anyone out of anything... not to mention this happened after the massive wave of bans that ended with them saying "anyone caught cheating will be banned". Why should I stop supporting blizzard because some punks can't listen to a few rules?


YOu all love it so much so lets discuss favorite sports? and how would you feel about a dude cheating blatantly and getting called?

Sure. Let's CALL this. Since your didn't understand what I was getting at fine...
Jerry Rice, my fav football player.

Jerry plays football. Jerry does not do steroids, Jerry does not late hit, Jerry does not break any NFL rule when on the grid iron.

NFL bans Jerry for "cheating" at Flag football, his field was not regulation, he was playing with drunk friends and used a 30 yard field instead of the regulation 100 yard. Did not use a new regulation ball, used a 20 year old one from storage. Was called on not wearing pads, regulation helmet and a cup. Oh and ref is mad he was not paid 75 bucks a hour to ref said flag football game.

NFL ref basicly stalked Jerry, followed him around town and when he played football by himself and with friends outside of said NFL he was banned for "cheating" and policy violation.


I myself, have many injuries from the military, ruined wrists, mild stroke, and heck even thyroid cancer with affect long gaming sessions. I proudly say I play a game through onces, then I'll cheat, skip, look up faqs to make the game more fun on round 2. Why care? Bliz and the other companies should be lucky anyone plays these games a second time through anymore.

So now Blizzard expects me to have the reflexes of a healthy 15 obessive compulsive, no life, no job, and if your not to snuff you can't see the ending of a game? Like kicking someone out of a movie telling them to pay again if they got up and took a pee. Your cheating, the other people didn't pee and if they did they buy a new ticket.

HA, right.

Btw

You noticed we aren't talking multiplayer... I hate all cheating in that area.

Single player... Single player...who cares what someone does in single player.

I agree, Jerry Rice should not be banned for this, but if he wants to go to the Hall of Fame board and demand that all the yards he ran the ball in that game should count for his statistics, then no way. The in-game cheats block achievement progress for a reason

And that's where the problem is. Jerry wouldn't ask that. And Jerry would ask who the hell, loser with no life would.

The PROBLEM. Is the NFL is gonna do that anyway. Like Blizzard. Next your fantasy football team, Madden 2011, anything to do with football is magicly going to get you banned from the NFL as they steam roller your privacy over you having some make believe achievement.

 

[Carlston]

Sorry I live in a state where it is on the books, can't sign away my rights and contracts can not be blind agreements.

But weak at best. Just cause it says if you cheat we rape and murder your children, they can't do it. Monitoring their own servers for cheating is their right, monitoring my pc not so much.

The FBI can monitor such things, document it for court... child porn cases are the best example.

Blizzard is not sanctioned to spy on people, not trained to gather and perserve evidence, and if you don't see the abuse of power, why not you buy SC2...

Log into battle.net and make a new account. Whoops that name is already taken.

HACKER ALERT.

Your game has been disabled for attempted hacking. Please send 59.99 to [email protected]

It's called noticing violations of privacy and abuse of such behavior in the future. Or have we forgotten microsofts never ending searching of hard drives?

Fact of the matter was you agreed to the risks which were laid out on you in black and white. If you do action X then consequence Y will follow. The cheaters were caught doing X and now will face consequence Y as stated to the terms that they agreed to. These players were informed about this that using 3rd party softwear was against the terms and the terms did not go on to say "only" in multi-player mode. Hell even the people who make these cheats say "use at your own risk" so they know this stuff is risky. Both the game warned these people as well as the people making the cheats so they have no right to get pissed off when they knew full well what was in store for them

I agree... but still only multiplayer.
I just hope this doesn't explode into other ways for them to force us to pay for new games.

Think about the big funny cheat the dev put in, then put it all over the net, magazines every where. And soon as you used it to see the flying tank, your dishing out 60 bucks for new multiplayer? I just see a lot of abuse for this...

 

[Spencer Petersen]

I will even make it easy Nah... but a vaccumm cleaner "CAR" is on a whole new level then a video game. It has one programmable function, it sucks shit up to clean your floor. It doesnt interact with other vaccumm cleaner owners to show off your leet vaccuum skills. Nor is it a piece of software that needs to be updated and not have its programming rewritten by 3rd party users. Blizzard supports and has supported hackers as long as they do it in their safe environment such as "i reiterate" OFFLINE MODE. fantastic times GARAK anymore lame arguments?

Eh some nerd just rage when people who have jobs and loved one seem to finish a game when they grinded 80 hours and wasted so much life they have to devalue someone else.

If It's offline, it's none of blizzards business.

It's damn right scary when these jackoffs look into making a new buck it's not how to make a better game, it's how to make you buy the old game again with excuses...

Your to close to a pc you might download cheat codes, your couch has a foot rest giving you better blood flow and a unfair advantage... your cat/dog licked/nuzzled the controller while you played, that's 3rd party game assitance...

Only a idiot would agree that this behavior is ok, oh they would IF they didn't take 30 seconds to think what the next steps they will take to leech a buck are.

SO pretty sure you are kind of bad too? you dont list game assitance you list player. that is user changes if my arm is broken it doesnt make the other guy with 2 working arms a cheater it means he was playing smarter or more enjoyably... and again the dudes weren't cheating anyone out of anything... not to mention this happened after the massive wave of bans that ended with them saying "anyone caught cheating will be banned". Why should I stop supporting blizzard because some punks can't listen to a few rules?


YOu all love it so much so lets discuss favorite sports? and how would you feel about a dude cheating blatantly and getting called?

Sure. Let's CALL this. Since your didn't understand what I was getting at fine...
Jerry Rice, my fav football player.

Jerry plays football. Jerry does not do steroids, Jerry does not late hit, Jerry does not break any NFL rule when on the grid iron.

NFL bans Jerry for "cheating" at Flag football, his field was not regulation, he was playing with drunk friends and used a 30 yard field instead of the regulation 100 yard. Did not use a new regulation ball, used a 20 year old one from storage. Was called on not wearing pads, regulation helmet and a cup. Oh and ref is mad he was not paid 75 bucks a hour to ref said flag football game.

NFL ref basicly stalked Jerry, followed him around town and when he played football by himself and with friends outside of said NFL he was banned for "cheating" and policy violation.


I myself, have many injuries from the military, ruined wrists, mild stroke, and heck even thyroid cancer with affect long gaming sessions. I proudly say I play a game through onces, then I'll cheat, skip, look up faqs to make the game more fun on round 2. Why care? Bliz and the other companies should be lucky anyone plays these games a second time through anymore.

So now Blizzard expects me to have the reflexes of a healthy 15 obessive compulsive, no life, no job, and if your not to snuff you can't see the ending of a game? Like kicking someone out of a movie telling them to pay again if they got up and took a pee. Your cheating, the other people didn't pee and if they did they buy a new ticket.

HA, right.

Btw

You noticed we aren't talking multiplayer... I hate all cheating in that area.

Single player... Single player...who cares what someone does in single player.

I agree, Jerry Rice should not be banned for this, but if he wants to go to the Hall of Fame board and demand that all the yards he ran the ball in that game should count for his statistics, then no way. The in-game cheats block achievement progress for a reason

And that's where the problem is. Jerry wouldn't ask that. And Jerry would ask who the hell, loser with no life would.

The PROBLEM. Is the NFL is gonna do that anyway. Like Blizzard. Next your fantasy football team, Madden 2011, anything to do with football is magicly going to get you banned from the NFL as they steam roller your privacy over you having some make believe achievement.

These people are not using this 3rd party software to cheat. You don't NEED 3rd party software to cheat. But you DO need 3rd party software to cheat and get credit for it. So, if you wanna cheat, cheat, type terribleterribledamage and have fun with godmode, just dont expect to get credit which some people work hard for. You may not put much value on achievements, but some people do, and what you deem important is not the same as the rest of the world.

Think of the achievements as a world record, some people don't give a shit, but the people who have them do, and Usain Bolt would be pretty pissed if he lost his record because somebody used steroids and the record board was powerless to stop it.

Oh, and contrary to the fairy logic present in this thread, you cant get banned for using the in-game cheats

 

[Carlston]

you might download cheat codes, your couch has a foot rest giving you better blood flow and a unfair advantage... your cat/dog licked/nuzzled the controller while you played, that's 3rd party game assitance...

Only a idiot would agree that this behavior is ok, oh they would IF they didn't take 30 seconds to think what the next steps they will take to leech a buck are.[/quote]


SO pretty sure you are kind of bad too? you dont list game assitance you list player. that is user changes if my arm is broken it doesnt make the other guy with 2 working arms a cheater it means he was playing smarter or more enjoyably... and again the dudes weren't cheating anyone out of anything... not to mention this happened after the massive wave of bans that ended with them saying "anyone caught cheating will be banned". Why should I stop supporting blizzard because some punks can't listen to a few rules?


YOu all love it so much so lets discuss favorite sports? and how would you feel about a dude cheating blatantly and getting called?[/quote]

Sure. Let's CALL this. Since your didn't understand what I was getting at fine...
Jerry Rice, my fav football player.

Jerry plays football. Jerry does not do steroids, Jerry does not late hit, Jerry does not break any NFL rule when on the grid iron.

NFL bans Jerry for "cheating" at Flag football, his field was not regulation, he was playing with drunk friends and used a 30 yard field instead of the regulation 100 yard. Did not use a new regulation ball, used a 20 year old one from storage. Was called on not wearing pads, regulation helmet and a cup. Oh and ref is mad he was not paid 75 bucks a hour to ref said flag football game.

NFL ref basicly stalked Jerry, followed him around town and when he played football by himself and with friends outside of said NFL he was banned for "cheating" and policy violation.


I myself, have many injuries from the military, ruined wrists, mild stroke, and heck even thyroid cancer with affect long gaming sessions. I proudly say I play a game through onces, then I'll cheat, skip, look up faqs to make the game more fun on round 2. Why care? Bliz and the other companies should be lucky anyone plays these games a second time through anymore.

So now Blizzard expects me to have the reflexes of a healthy 15 obessive compulsive, no life, no job, and if your not to snuff you can't see the ending of a game? Like kicking someone out of a movie telling them to pay again if they got up and took a pee. Your cheating, the other people didn't pee and if they did they buy a new ticket.

HA, right.

Btw

You noticed we aren't talking multiplayer... I hate all cheating in that area.

Single player... Single player...who cares what someone does in single player.[/quote]

I agree, Jerry Rice should not be banned for this, but if he wants to go to the Hall of Fame board and demand that all the yards he ran the ball in that game should count for his statistics, then no way. The in-game cheats block achievement progress for a reason[/quote]


And that's where the problem is. Jerry wouldn't ask that. And Jerry would ask who the hell, loser with no life would.

The PROBLEM. Is the NFL is gonna do that anyway. Like Blizzard. Next your fantasy football team, Madden 2011, anything to do with football is magicly going to get you banned from the NFL as they steam roller your privacy over you having some make believe achievement.[/quote]

These people are not using this 3rd party software to cheat. You don't NEED 3rd party software to cheat. But you DO need 3rd party software to cheat and get credit for it. So, if you wanna cheat, cheat, type terribleterribledamage and have fun with godmode, just dont expect to get credit which some people work hard for. You may not put much value on achievements, but some people do, and what you deem important is not the same as the rest of the world.

Think of the achievements as a world record, some people don't give a shit, but the people who have them do, and Usain Bolt would be pretty pissed if he lost his record because somebody used steroids and the record board was powerless to stop it.

Oh, and contrary to the fairy logic present in this thread, you cant get banned for using the in-game cheats[/quote]


So it comes down to use our cheats and only ours...right.
I don't care about Usain Bolt the same I don't care for a guy who has all the single players awards.

Single player awards are worthless, it's what you do in multiplayer.

The sin of cheating in multiplayer is you ruin others experiences in game.
To have a single player pat on the back and someone being jealous of you to the point the company bans you for it? Punishment fits the crime, crime is single player not multi, so this is still a bad idea farted out by bliz, over achievements that are honestly the lowest of the dung heap and honestly don't need protection...

And if you find yourself trolling other peoples profiles for trophies and raging you think they cheated...

-shakes head-
Sorry man, can't convince me of this... it's just me. Unless there is some blizzard point rewards for all this...maybe it makes some sense then... to me it's ubisofts servers to play single player AC2 when they know full well a year down the line they will yank the servers and render every game unplayable in a weak grasp for control and increased sales over scams.

Ahh well. I'm done.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

I'm a little mixed on this.

Were they banned from using the cheats PUT in the game?

Or banned for using cheats blizzard didn't make?

Third party software. Blizzard aren't THAT thick. Thus, they were unbalancing the game by unlocking a bunch of achievements, which affects multiplayer.

Oh, then I have no problem with what they're doing.

Sure, achievements don't mean that much, but people are still messing with their creation.

Besides, you have an invulnerability cheat and a bunch of others...Why would you need any more?

Their creation??? Geez, doesn't it count for anything that people BOUGHT the game?

And if as an artist you draw an incredible portrait, then sell it, would you not be pissed if the person who bought it started vandalising it?

Of course I would be but there isn't a damn thing I could do about it.

Yes there is. The painting is your property. You can sue him for vandalising your property. It's akin to spraying graffiti on your house.

 

[gally912]

Even then, what's the issue. Hook up the net net for like 20 minutes (at most on a slwo pc) every month? Gasp! That's suicide!

I'll have you know that I was very disappointed when DoWII came out. I was overseas in Afghanistan and had my sister ship it to me so I could play it on my down time. I had no access to internet and was most sad when I found not only did I need internet to install it, but had to be connected every time I even wanted to play a skirmish game.

Sad soldier was sad.

 

[gally912]

Yes there is. The painting is your property. You can sue him for vandalising your property. It's akin to spraying graffiti on your house.

Actually, once you sell something to somebody, you have no authority over what is done to it. I can buy a car and torch it the next day if I damn well please.

Blizzard should have no rights whatsoever over your game after you have purchased it. If you want to use their multiplayer servers and ranking system, of course you have to follow their rules.

But what you do to YOUR GAME after YOU BUY IT is none of Blizzo's damn business.

 

[TheEggplant]

SNIP

Even then, what's the issue. Hook up the net net for like 20 minutes (at most on a slwo pc) every month? Gasp! That's suicide!

That's my breaking point. The fact that Blizzard got away with it while 2K and EA got hammered by it shows we, as consumers, have become ridiculously complacent. Doesn't bother you? Great, glad you're in your comfortable spot. I'm gone. They won't miss my money and I won't miss the continual reaming.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

So by not actually coming up with a valid point, you've now turned this into a "why should a company dictate my actions" argument that has no grounds?

You totally blew me away with that comment.

Blizzard was kind enough to give you modding tools, stop spitting in their faces.

You're right. Blizzard is one of the kindest developers in the market right now! That's why they banned people for something as simple as cheating in SP. Yeah, they used trainers. So? If that's what they wanted to use then that's what they should have used.

Most companies don't do that!

That's because most companies allow you to mod your game the way you want to. If I remember correctly, the original StarCraft was doing quite well without achievements. You could mod all you wanted, use any trainer or cheat you wanted without Blizzard poking their heads in.

Blizzard is simply trying to protect the online integrity of the game, and yes, that does include achievements.

Then fuck achievements and fuck "online integrity". I won't have my liberties taken away just because someone decided achievements are the new "in" thing. Besides, can't Blizzard simply put a lock in so that whenever you modify the game files achievements are automatically locked? I'm fairly sure they can.

To ban someone because of achievements is really a stupid thing. Achievements don't even have anything to do with the fucking gameplay. Are they that important that it needs a 2 week ban?

It's not just single player. Single player means there's no connection to the multiplayer portion of the game, however insignificant.

Yeah? And did that definition sprung out of your ass? Single player has reffered to the part of the game in which you, YOURSELF are the only player for what, 40 years?

Blizzard has a right to protect their integrity of an achievement system by banning people that use unfair means to obtain a higher score.

You have an obsession with "integrity". What do achievements bring to the table in terms of gameplay? Nothing. If they cared about integrity so much then a simple rollback of all the achievements supposedly achieved by the cheaters would have been enough. You're not exactly dealing with Scroofy Mc Scroofy here, the league hacker that got into diamond by disconnecting from every game.

. It's just like a TILT function in a pinball machine. If you try to mvoe the ball in an unfair way by jostling the machine, it locks up and you atuomatically loose that ball. Everyone seemed to think that was fair. What's the difference here?

Nope, it wasn't fair. Still, from what I remember a pinball machine didn't cost 60 dollars.

Whether you want to believe it or not, it does affect the online community. People do hold those symbols of prowess in higher regard than you. What you're arguing is that people who believe that achievements should be gotten legitimately should be shunned in favour of people who want to mod.

So you want the ability to mod taken out just because you want to fling your e-peen at everyone? Are you an asshole? If you can find a way to introduce achievements without affecting the mod community then by all fucking means, do so. I'm not against achievements, I'm against sacrificing features to introduce them.

Yeah, those fucking bastards who cheated! Those who went directly against the Terms of Service of Battle.Net and instead of cutting themselves off completely from the online portion fot he game decided to boost and paid the price for it. God forbid, eh?

Yeah, god fucking forbid. Who knew cheating in single player could get you banned. It's like buying a new computer and overclocking it only to have the company you bought it from come in your home and put a lock on it.

Sarcasm doesn't make your argument anymore valid. The point is that there's a difference between modding a game to not break the rules and then there's brekaing the rules at the expense of the integrity of a part of online community. Just because you don't care about online doesn't make it any less of a platform to be cogniscent about.

WHAT RULES?! You're so far up your ass you can't even see the REASON achievements are implemented. This gives Blizzard COMPLETE CONTROL over their game. You play how THEY WANT you to play. You do what THEY WANT YOU TO DO. You want to know what this also gives them control over? Mods and maps. Wanna know how they control them? Anything they don't want isn't getting in "their game", but it isn't their game is it? It's OUR GAME. WE bought it. WE payed money to play it.

Is this what the future of gaming should be? A company having complete control over you, the player with absolutely no freedom being given? Hell, why should there be so much control? Is there a reason why? You tell me.

Either way, fuck the rules. I won't have someone tell me how to play my games.

How is using an on board feature tricking it? You can only use the Guest option to play offline if you own the game. It's a large button on the right hand side. There's no trick involved. Also, I'd like to point out, you are tricking the game to begin with by using a trainer or mod because that's not the original gameplay!

Because I'm not a guest, I'm the owner of that particular copy of the game.

And yes, a ToS that is on full display on their website is legally binding. It doesn't infringe on any rights because you still have your single-player content

Sure you do. And in order to get that single player content what do you have to do again? Lie to the game and say you're a guest. Yep, I have a problem with that.

They are online. I sign-in to my B.Net account and play the single-player campaign while connected online. Every achievement I have has been gotten online. I can say this with 100% honesty because when I was playing offline when the servers were down, I missed half the achievements for my runthrough of single player. You still have the choice to play offline if you wish and that is up to you whether you use it or not.

They are? Last time I checked in order to actually play offline you'd have to be a guest. I already stated why I have a problem with this.

Again, what does it matter? Does this really kill you inside everytime you think about the fact that "boohoo, I don't get a personalized account for offline play"? What a strawman argument if I ever saw one. The fact you think achievements are bogus for offline play just shows you couldn't care less if you have an identity within the game for offline purposes. You just want to dick around and Blizzard has given you the option. Stop pretending to be hurt by something so trivial and come up with a real argument instead of this half-assed drivle.

Actually, I'm not pretending. I assumed that by being a customer I'd be treated as more than a fucking guest just because I don't want to connect to their half assed moronic network.

And this is what really gets me. You own nothing on B.Net. All those achievements, all those neat icons, even your account itself is owned by Blizzard. It affects nothing within the offline portion fo the game because you can still play it just fine without a Blizzard account.

Yeah, I can. As a guest. Because when I buy a car and I refuse to update the GPS that came with it, I should get on to the guest seat and take a stroll!

Whether Steam chooses to make that a function within the game or not is their choice, much like it's Blizzard's choice not to have that function. They believe in this practice and if you don't like it, don't buy the game and don't play a cracked version and don't spread media about them because any press is good press. Instead, sit down, shut up and accept the fact that they use a business model you don't enjoy.

I will criticize anything I want when I see fit and neither you nor Blizzard can stop that.

. Up until the moment another game company uses this model, you have no reason to ***** about it, which is exactly what you're doing with poor arguments founded either on speculation, trivial matters that don't affect your long-term goal with the product or strawman arguments.

Another game has used this model. It's called Assassins Creed 2. Props to Blizzard for allowing you to play offline though. Still, the guest thing annoys me.

The bottom line is this: you own nothing of the content Blizzard provides online. It is Blizzard's choice and business model to operate achievements online and to have "Guest" accounts for offline play. You have no right to tell Blizzard how to run their company and simply have the choice whether to purchase the game or not.

I do have the right to criticize them though.

 

[Weofparadigm]

Oh no, I totally have. But just because it's wrong doesn't mean I won't do it. Cheating on a online game is much worse because in a solo game you're not competing with anyone. But either way, it's overkill on Blizzard's part

 

[Firetaffer]

It states in the EULA that cheating is not permitted. Whether you think this is right or wrong is up to you. If you AGREED to the EULA, you follow whatever is on it, if you break it, Blizzard will do what they see fit (or whatever is stated in the EULA).

It isn't that hard, they broke the EULA, they get banned.