Poll: Jim sterling VS Extra credits
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Well, basically what Mr Vhite just said.Vhite said:
They present different opinions on subject, and many time their opinions does not agree with mine at all. That make it more interesting. I don't want to hear someone confirm my opinion, I want someone to challenge it so I my look at it from an other perspective.
Also, both bring up subject I never ever even considered.
I like them both! Jim always get a laugh out of me while making ponder about something and extra credits addresses a lot of important subjects sort of relevant ( i make them relevant) to my current field of study.
I couldn't possibly say one was better than the other, they are two completely different things in my mind. And yet they are both are pretty awesome.
I couldn't possibly say one was better than the other, they are two completely different things in my mind. And yet they are both are pretty awesome.
I have to go with EC. To some they may seem like they are looking down upon you, but they're really just trying to appeal to a wider audience. As a person who does not know about some of the stuff, it helps that they explain each new concept. Jim just feels like a person who rants all the time, and does not back his stuff up with any research at all. EC not only researches the subjects they talk about, but also rarely rant. I also want to know why EC is so hated now, some people say they're pretentious tripe sandwiches, give me an example of an episode, NOT some bullshit forum where the majority of the people are saying the show is good and the people who aren't are saying that it's one of those videos that say games can be art and therefore they must be stupid and pretentious. And just a question to those who say that we shouldn't call games art, why. Why shouldn't we want the rest of the world to take us more seriously?
I can answer this question.Elamdri said:
A lot of people who slated early episodes of the Jimquisition got banned, suspended and generally got thier knuckles rapped.
Personally, I quite like Extra Credits - certainly more so than the Jimquisition. But that's just me being old and preferring the Broadsheet approach of Extra Credits to Jim's tabloid approach.
While Extra Credits may get a little preachy and maybe even condescending at times, they always keep a civil tongue in their mouths and don't come across as immature children who like screaming obscenties every two seconds.
While Extra Credits try to come up with constructive and creative solutions to gaming's ills - Jim just throws obscenities. Which is a shame because I cannot deny that Jim does have some good points - I find his delivery is grotesque and immature.
I personally couldn't think of a worse representative for the world of gaming than Jim Sterling. The sad thing is, like I said - he has good points. But acting like an obscenity hurling idiot isn't going to win him influence or respect from the genteel types who make laws like SOPA, PIPA and ACTA.
I have my reasons.Waffle_Man said:
Basically, they over-analyse, patronise, have practically insulted people for liking certain games, and give a large "Holier than thou" impression.
Oh, and with the whole money thing a while back, James posted what shit went down in terms of it, but then went "golly gee, I didn't mean to start all this fighting." Ha haaaa, no.
Nah they were there just at the time there was more people complaining about Jim and more people loving EC more loudly than the haters were but now that EC is gone only the haters are left to comment on it. That and this is a thread about opinions. Also banhammer.BreakfastMan said:
OT: I personally think Jim is a bit better. I really and truly hated their mini series on JRPGs and I felt it was quite skewed by the fact they fall into the trap of most of people of think a Video game RPG is the same as the Table Top. At least that is what I always got about the whole situation as if you go back to the routes of the words JRPGs and WRPGs are only labelled by geography because those regions produce more of the original label. These were computer and console RPGs at least from what I remember. To clarify WRPGs were Comp RPGs and JRPGs were Console RPGs.
While their opinion is quite artsy as some people say I think it is good thing to have that dynamic as if everyone had the same opinion there would be nothing but stagnation. They give a different view on it. Hell even though I completely disagree with Moviebob on nearly every single thing he says to do with gaming(ok big hyperbole) I still watch his stuff to get an alternate view.
EC's ideas on this subject are far better than Sterling's. They will actually make the community a better place, and discourage members of our community to act in a more sensible manner.
Gotta go with EC, they are sensible level headed people, whereas Jim Sterling is just a "I wish I was the Bill Hicks of Gaming" prick who understands next to nothing about everything.
one thing is having free speech to express an opinion or a point of view.Smithburg said:
and other thing is calling some person you don't know a f$&"#t just because you can tanks to the anonymate of the internet.
"Your rigths end when the rights of others start"
Extra Credits - They seem to put far more time and energy into their work. They don't tend to talk about an issue unless they have an interesting perspective or solution to offer.
Jim Sterling on the other hand comes across as any other forum poster. His opinions are no more convincing than whoever posts above or below me. The way he chooses to present the information is occasionally annoying, and hearing the same jokes week after week is tiresome.
Extra Credits gets my vote for both content provided and sheer entertainment value.
Jim Sterling on the other hand comes across as any other forum poster. His opinions are no more convincing than whoever posts above or below me. The way he chooses to present the information is occasionally annoying, and hearing the same jokes week after week is tiresome.
Extra Credits gets my vote for both content provided and sheer entertainment value.
The industry should probably pay attention to both as they both have some good ideas. Personally though Jim really annoys me whilst EC comes across as educational and interesting, I was incredibly disappointed when they left the escapist.
Both. Only a fool ignores good advice, no matter the source. EC does occasionally come off as preachy, but I'd rather listen to that than some asshole with a god complex. I couldn't stand Jim for that reason at first, then I actually watched it and thought...Hey, this guy is actually pretty good. I'll just skip the intro and the end, and all is well.
There are parts where I've disagreed with both of them at some point, but I could always see where they were coming from and accepted it. Good shows, and informative.
There are parts where I've disagreed with both of them at some point, but I could always see where they were coming from and accepted it. Good shows, and informative.
I really can't stress enough what an obnoxious douchebag James Portnoy is. Even on the very, very rare occasion that sees him say something worth hearing, he wraps it up with his all-too-clear obsession with himself. Every single episode of Extra Credits is really just a masturbation session for Portnoy, whereas Jim Sterling, who probably also has a pretty high opinion of himself, makes every message he conveys much more palatable with an arsenal of amusing jokes, in addition to being much more agreeable than James "I pay a girl to draw stick figures for me" Portnoy.
EC struck me as way too pretentious with the whole thing.
Jim is much more a realist, and I prefer this.
Jim is much more a realist, and I prefer this.
I hate EC. They treat me like a person and actually try to teach me things. They try to make sure that I understand something and help me to form my own conclusion while they offer their conclusion. I hate how they actually have experience within the industry and how they actually know the in's and out's and can look at both sides of the arguments objectively. It's so horrible how they do that.
I much prefer Jim. He presents his opinion as fact and slings curse words at me when I don't agree with him. I much prefer it when someone is condescending to me and thinks I'm stupid if I don't come to the same conclusion as he does. It's so much better that way. Screw EC and their multiple disclaimers saying that these are their opinions and that what they present might not be the best solution, but just a solution. I'd much prefer to be looked down on for having my own opinion. Jim does this. EC actually tries to help me understand and doesn't care that I have my own opinion on things. DOWN WITH EC! JIM IS ON ESCAPIST THEREFORE HE IS BEST!
I much prefer Jim. He presents his opinion as fact and slings curse words at me when I don't agree with him. I much prefer it when someone is condescending to me and thinks I'm stupid if I don't come to the same conclusion as he does. It's so much better that way. Screw EC and their multiple disclaimers saying that these are their opinions and that what they present might not be the best solution, but just a solution. I'd much prefer to be looked down on for having my own opinion. Jim does this. EC actually tries to help me understand and doesn't care that I have my own opinion on things. DOWN WITH EC! JIM IS ON ESCAPIST THEREFORE HE IS BEST!
This thing that grates me about Extra Credits is that they are very full of themselves. Especially to me, that "I have worked in the Game Industry, I must be an expert" attitude is immensely irritating. Seriously, most people I know, even those with two decades of experience, are not in a position to lecture society at large based on their vocational history. Based on their smarts, their personal experience and ideas, sure, but EC's attitude is just cheap.
Also, this industry is REALLY one of the easiest ones to get into, if you have the right skill set - especially in these days. The lecture on "how to be a game designer" was just patronising and to me sounded like mostly self-congratulatory lines.
Edit: Idealism, to me, is also a rather dangerous thing. Ability to compromise and change a difficult situation step by step through rational, realistic suggestions scores much higher. Alas, Extra Credits are way on the idealist side of things whereas Jim seems more down-to-earth despite the character he is playing being a narcissistic nutjob.
Also, this industry is REALLY one of the easiest ones to get into, if you have the right skill set - especially in these days. The lecture on "how to be a game designer" was just patronising and to me sounded like mostly self-congratulatory lines.
Edit: Idealism, to me, is also a rather dangerous thing. Ability to compromise and change a difficult situation step by step through rational, realistic suggestions scores much higher. Alas, Extra Credits are way on the idealist side of things whereas Jim seems more down-to-earth despite the character he is playing being a narcissistic nutjob.