Poll: Jim sterling VS Extra credits

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endtherapture

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Jim took the right side, of the fans (and Angry Joe and a few others), in the ME3 debate.

EC took the side of every other person with a column/video series which has viewers, the side of Bioware and EA in the ME3 debate.

Guess who I prefer?

Also EC have really annoying nerdy voices, it's so unpleasant to listen to and generally just boring.
 

Vivi22

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But If we followed the suggestions they say, it would be the death of free speech.
I haven't yet watched the videos on these topics, but this is exaggeration to say the least. We're talking about services run by private companies. You don't have a right to free speech there.
 

OldDirtyCrusty

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I voted Jim, even if he sometimes seems to miss the point (uhmm, or my opinion) i often agree. He seems more like a gamer to me and i can relate to that, it`s better than the feeling of being lectured by "proffesionals who know the biz".
 

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Jim Sterling for me. He seems more willing to admit that he's wrong on certain issues. I do not see eye to eye with him on a lot of things, I think piracy is wrong for example, I do not agree with him on the Mass Effect 3 issue as a another.

Extra Credits I really cannot stand at all. I know for a fact that my brother's opinion about gaming and gaming culture are cribbed 75 percent from EC videos. I disagree with his opinions and by extension that includes Extra Credits.
 

Azure-Supernova

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Why Jim of course. Not just because he comes across as an everyman (well, when he's not in his Jimquisition persona) but because he's not afraid to put his raw opinion out there and he's not to proud to stick with that opinion if he's given proof to the contrary.
 

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I find extra credits to be quite doctrinaire and ranty myself but that's true of a lot people in games design. Jim is more practical and grass roots. Out of the two if I found a few hundred million down the back of the sofa and was starting a games publisher and needed someone to help me decide if a game had enough appeal to sell to real people then I would go with Jim.
 

Chairman Miaow

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Well, at first at least I didn't like Jim, but when you look behind the persona, he actually is a great guy. He is willing to admit when he is wrong, he does his research, and I tend to agree with him quite a lot.
 

JediMB

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I like both, and the industry would do well listening to both.

EC's stance on Mass Effect 3 doesn't invalidate that they usually make very good points in their videos.
 

GundamSentinel

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To me, Jim is more about what should be done to change the industry now, while Extra Credits seems to have the future in mind more. I don't know, EC sometimes seems just a bit too idealistic and unrealistic. It's a great show, with great ideas, but it often lacks in implementation. Jim does a little better where that is concerned.
 

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Jim used to say pretty dumb shit for hits, but then he made a bunch of videos criticizing publishers, and I'm always fine with that.

Extra Credits' pretentious art crap doesn't bother me that much, since the presence of those types in the journalistic sphere is inevitable. But the condescending, retarded voice they use to present their videos just gets me.

So thank God for Jim.
 

CruisingForBiddies

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I really liked Extra Credits, I still watch it every week on Penny Arcade. I don't see how they are pretentious at all, they present what they find in an albeit, sterile way, but hardly pretentious.
Jim Sterling is fine too, he definitely has more of a personality but I find him more grating after a while. Either way I think they should all just team up.
 
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Jim is one of us, he talks to us like a friend and assumes that if we're watching his show, it's because we have an at least passable knowledge of video games.

Extra Credits do make some very interesting points every now and then, but the show is so pretentious.

James doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
 

Calcium

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Jim Sterling gets my vote here. Partially because I believe he's forceful enough in what he talks about to get attention of companies whereas Extra Credits seem to have a much more passive philosophical approach. Basically activism against idealism.
 

Starik20X6

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I watch both, and I think they're both equally valid shows. I see Jim as more the consumer side, while EC comes from within the industry. I don't have beef with either party. Sure EC can be a bit high-and-mighty at times, but I don't hate them for it. Speaking as somebody who hopes to one day get into the creation side of gaming, sometimes their insider perspective is pretty helpful.
 

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Lumber Barber said:
It's either an annoying fuck or a bunch of pretentious teenagers. I don't care how valid their points are, I'm waiting for someone who's not a complete dipshit.
Have you listened to any of the Escapist Podca(s)ts? They're not as focussed as Jim or Extra Credits on "issues", but when they discuss listener questions like "What is an RPG?" or "Is it right to not buy Fez because of the dev's comments." etc there can be some good discussion between them without anyone preaching or shouting.
 

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For the record, to summarise what I'm about to say, my view on EC and Jim is that Jim is great at showing what the gaming community is really like, while EC do a great job of showing how games should be for maximum enjoyment. Also, to throw Yahtzee in, I always agree with his views on the games themselves (the nitpicking and such). However, in terms of what makes a 'good game', and enjoyment, I often disagree with him, simply because we're different people with different tastes in games. I loved Halo Wars, and RTS games in general, for example.

Therefore, and I speak as an aspiring developer myself, I think it should be an industry requirement that all game developers watch, as a matter of course, all three series. Zero Punctuation, Extra Credits, and Jimquisition. Because that way, developers will see what the community is like, what games today are like, what they could (and should) be like, and will have a wide variety of imputs to how to develop their games. In addition, game developers should keep a close eye on the gaming community, in order to see exactly what gamers do and don't want. However, developers shouldn't always pander to the masses, because the gamers aren't the developers and thus they have no clue about how games really are made, unless they're actually interested in behind-the-scenes stuff or are gamers working in the industry. My (controversial) example here is that Mass Effect 3 would have been a damn sight worse if Bioware had simply pandered to the gamers from the off. Yes, I brought THAT up. Sue me.

If game developers did this, we would see an industry lacking in the banes that it seems to continuously employ (including, but not limited to, draconian DRM and copy-pasting games without innovation - I'm looking at you, CoD...), and more new and innovative, and more importantly, fun, games that people will actually want to play. Game development needs to be a two-way process. The gamers shouldn't have full control over the development, but at the same time, the developers should still look to their customers to see just what said customers actually want, and then tailor-make a great product that everyone can enjoy.

And for the record, this is exactly why indie gaming is on the rise. Because indie developers tend to be gamers who have decided to build their own game from scratch while still being firmly rooted in the community itself. Yes, most developers are gamers anyway. Kind of a job requirement, almost, to enjoy playing games in the first place. But they are disconnected from the community as a whole, I've noticed, and that's how we end up with things like 'always-online DRM' and the like. Indie developers have the advantage, because they are still connected to, and part of, the wider community, and so they have a better viewpoint of what gamers do and don't want to see. And yes, I realise I've drifted way off topic, so I'll just leave this opinion here and move on. Feel free to quoe me or PM me if you agree, or disagree, on any of my points...
 

Kahunaburger

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Neither. I used to like Extra Credits, but there was a point early on in that show where they basically ran out if stuff to talk about and started really reaching. Jimquisition never seems to be used to say anything interesting, and Jim's shtick reminds me of TGWTG in a bad way.
 

Vault101

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Capitano Segnaposto said:
Vault101 said:
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Jim Sterling has just about everything nailed down. I know a lot of people hate the guy but I very rarely disagree with him. For all his joking around with his God complex and what not, hes probably the most sensible content producer on this site.

Extra Credits on the other hand? Fuck EC. Thats all I am saying.

As for immaturity on xbox live specifically, you can mute people. I never understand the problem with minor online harassment. Some guy hitting on you in Facebook? You have a block button. Some kid on xbox live calling you a ****** jew? Bring up the scoreboard, scroll down to his name and press X. Problem solved.
I like Jim, better than yahtzee actually

didt like EC? I liked them in that they were all sunshine and rainbows, a nice contrast to other certin stuff here

but then they went on that artistic integrity bullshit with ME3.....*snnrrk*
Really? I found that episode to be more or less "Please stop your fucking' bitching you whiny cunts." Mind you the swear words are added to make it sound a lot angrier than need be.

Anyways, not a fan of Jim Sterling, bigger fan of EC. While they are preachy I just like that show a lot more. Also it helps that they back up their ideas, opinions, facts with actual evidence instead of a lot of people who make videos (not saying Jim Sterling doesn't do this as well) who just give their opinions and back it up with lies and more opinions.

Oh well, to each 'is own.
which episode are you talking about in particular?

to be fair it wasnt an video, but extra credits said (in a writing) somthing along to the lines of the whole ME3 ending thing artistic integrity blah blah blah
 

devilofthemist

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i don't know why but i absolutley can't stand jim, i've watched a few eps and i just can't


but i agree with most things extra credits say
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Another thing: Jim Sterling is a gamer. Extra Credits are games journalists. Big difference.
gamers are people who play video games, i'm pretty sure that the extra credits crew play video games
 

JoshuaMadoc

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Jim Sterling's stereotypical British Prick gimmick isn't funny. If it wasn't for his occasional bit of insight, I would've denounced him as just another partition of the furry-hating-and-murdering-and-corpsefucking Destructoid machine.

Extra Credits, on the other hand, was more like an information hub for me. I can see it occasionally trying to harp me into following their suggestions, but I'm not a game developer yet, neither am I optimistic enough that anything people suggest would be consistent and proven to have worked, so again, EC is merely an information hub. It treats you all like "idiots" because the show seems to be aimed at real idiots like me, who need to get an idea of the machinations of how to make a game and the state of the gaming industry. Not THE idea, but an idea.

The fact that you guys think EC is pretentious and anybody who watches EC is pretentious is baffling. Maybe I've been indoctrinated or something. Oh no, abnormal method of thinking is showing again, ANYONE GOT A GUN I CAN BORROW