Poll: Legion?...wtf.

[Sewblon]

It gains points for audaciousness, but loses them because if God wanted us dead he could just snap his fingers and make the earth disappear, or nudge an asteroid in our direction, or send a pandemic if he wanted to be subtle. If it was the other way around and the archangel Michael was the bad guy leading a second rebellion, or if they played this for laughs instead of making a straight blockbuster, it might have worked. But this might be something you could enjoy ironically, once the DVD comes out.

 

[IanBrazen]

Oh dear...Dennis Quaid, what have you gotten yourself into?

Oh come on, hes done worse.

True.

I still want his epic Dragonheart (etc.) stage back, though.

God that movie was awful.

"I disagree."

you can disagree all you want, that wont make it any less true

 

[lacktheknack]

Also, if the whole thing is based off the old testament, there is no satan and God is both good AND evil in one.........

...What?

 

[IanBrazen]

Also, if the whole thing is based off the old testament, there is no satan and God is both good AND evil in one.........

...What?

thats why I dident respond to that one.
Dont encourage him.

 

[JRShield]

No.

No, No, No, No, No. Baaaaad movie. Looks like a badly played, badly told and badly filmed movie.

 

[fletch_talon]

I think This movie looks cool Though I'm easliy entertained, also god is the evilist person in the world in the bible hes constently killing millions.

...Im not even gonna touch this one.

I would see it if it had anything to do with Red Dwarf.

Ha you silly man, or woman..i cant tell from your avatar.

I'm a man! Sorry to disappoint. I know it'd be awesome to know a woman who's a member of The Escapist and watches Red Dwarf.

I dident want to imply anything, im just trying to be P.C.
And yeah it would be awesome...ill do some research on that.

God is evil due to him killing people because they did not follow His morals or worship him most the people killed in the Bible did not due anything exactly evil and where was god during the holocuast? Not to metion the millions killing in his name all i'm saying is its not that hard to imagine the all knowing ompitiont force with the gaint magnifying glass who burns us for no reason being evil by are defintion.

I told you Im not going to touch it, so just leave it alone dude.

With all due respect, you did touch it. Saying "I'm not going to touch it" makes it pretty damn clear that you disagree with the person, with the added bonus of being able to claim that you never started an argument. Its basically flame bait, not intentional I'm sure, but if you really didn't want to get into an argument about something, you need to just ignore it.

As for the movie itself, it sounds... interesting... The whole, "he's god he can wipe us from existence" thing is a stupid point because nobody knows what God is capable of, they only have beliefs. Look at Pullman's novels as mentioned before, God turned out to be an angel taking credit for all creation, that's not what the bible says, but it made for a damn good story.
Finally, why is God the bad guy? As has been stated, good and evil are based on your perspective. To a Christian, their God is the greatest guy in the world, because they believe in everything he stands for. To an atheist, or hell even an agnostic like myself, that same God is a bastard, because he deems fit to punish us for daring not to believe in him despite having no logical reason to jump to that conclusion.
Now I'm not saying God is evil, but some people's version of God, to me, is. The Westboro Baptist church believe in a God who smites American soldiers because they fight for a country that accepts homosexuals, now if their God isn't evil, I dunno what is.

 

[jakkuss]

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In fact, hold up. That's a good plot twist right there: Make it so that God has nothing to do with this; everyone is just being deceived by Satan. Even the TRAILER makes it look like that's completely impossible, but if that ends up being the twist this movie would go up two letter grades instantly in my book.

So that brings the grade up to a C-?

 

[Just_A_Glitch]

I'm gonna see it just so I can say the show Supernatural does all of this and better.

 

[RealLifev2.0.09]

I think This movie looks cool Though I'm easliy entertained, also god is the evilist person in the world in the bible hes constently killing millions.

...Im not even gonna touch this one.

I would see it if it had anything to do with Red Dwarf.

Ha you silly man, or woman..i cant tell from your avatar.

I'm a man! Sorry to disappoint. I know it'd be awesome to know a woman who's a member of The Escapist and watches Red Dwarf.

I dident want to imply anything, im just trying to be P.C.
And yeah it would be awesome...ill do some research on that.

God is evil due to him killing people because they did not follow His morals or worship him most the people killed in the Bible did not due anything exactly evil and where was god during the holocuast? Not to metion the millions killing in his name all i'm saying is its not that hard to imagine the all knowing ompitiont force with the gaint magnifying glass who burns us for no reason being evil by are defintion.

I told you Im not going to touch it, so just leave it alone dude.

With all due respect, you did touch it. Saying "I'm not going to touch it" makes it pretty damn clear that you disagree with the person, with the added bonus of being able to claim that you never started an argument. Its basically flame bait, not intentional I'm sure, but if you really didn't want to get into an argument about something, you need to just ignore it.

As for the movie itself, it sounds... interesting... The whole, "he's god he can wipe us from existence" thing is a stupid point because nobody knows what God is capable of, they only have beliefs. Look at Pullman's novels as mentioned before, God turned out to be an angel taking credit for all creation, that's not what the bible says, but it made for a damn good story.
Finally, why is God the bad guy? As has been stated, good and evil are based on your perspective. To a Christian, their God is the greatest guy in the world, because they believe in everything he stands for. To an atheist, or hell even an agnostic like myself, that same God is a bastard, because he deems fit to punish us for daring not to believe in him despite having no logical reason to jump to that conclusion.
Now I'm not saying God is evil, but some people's version of God, to me, is. The Westboro Baptist church believe in a God who smites American soldiers because they fight for a country that accepts homosexuals, now if their God isn't evil, I dunno what is.

I think you do offer some good points and I agree with you wholeheartedly except I do not think it is stupid to use the "he's god he can wipe us from existence" argument, because...

The movie does reference biblical angels like Gabriel, which leads me to believe it is "That" God. And "That" God has a history of omnipotent acts like the floods and such. So as far as the lore goes, its not stupid to assume the god of Constantine's bible could wipe the earth out more effectively then sending angels that can possess humans but yet could not possess for instance Dennis Quaid and have him shoot the pregnant girl with a shotgun (Assuming they couldn't possess the pregnant girl outright) or you know not pull bond villain acts like the old lady biting the man in the restaurant instead of just attacking the pregnant girl. The Angels seem to have Vogan syndrome.

 

[jonnosferatu]

"I disagree."

you can disagree all you want, that wont make it any less true

The fact that I can validly disagree with your statement with no further support than an implied "I liked it" demonstrates quite conclusively that there is no 'true' in this situation.

 

[IanBrazen]

"I disagree."

you can disagree all you want, that wont make it any less true

The fact that I can validly disagree with your statement with no further support than an implied "I liked it" demonstrates quite conclusively that there is no 'true' in this situation.

Damn opinions. they get me every time.
YOU WIN THIS ROUND!

 

[Klepa]

If the ol' bible's anything to go by, this'd seem like a very Godlike way for God to wipe us out.
The Flood has been mentioned a couple of times, which admittedly was a bit of a dick move. Not only did he drown all the humans, he drowned all the animals aswell.
Sodom and Gomorrah didn't just disappear either, they were destroyed by a firestorm.

Anyway...
Wasn't Legion a demon? If memory serves, in the bible, Jesus sort of mucks about somewhere, and a guy falls at his feet, and when Jay asks his name, he says "My name is Legion, for we are many", and it turns out the guy had a bunch of demons inside him, which Jesus banishes.

Then again, it's pretty clearly stated in the trailer, that they are fighting angels. But there's only two people who even look like angels, the others seem very much like the typical demon possessed people. Why don't they all look like angels? Or is it only arch-angels (Michael and Gabriel) who get wings, and the lesser angels are all just a bunch of swearing, wall climbing grannies?

The plot and premise of this movie, based on the trailer, seem so stupid that I might actually want to see it, one day.

 

[CJ1145]

I just find these comments kind of funny but wanted to answer some points...

* If they are angels does it really matter what weapon they are using?
* To be honest I do not see the possession anywhere in the preview so I am assuming your confusing them for taking on the form of a human. ( Look at Lot and the two visitors that look like beautiful men but are actually angels in Genesis)
* How do you know what an angel looks like? Because Michelangelo painted beings with wings on the Sistine chapel?
* I agree with you on this point it looks like a B-Movie.
* So Noah and his family were anti-Christs since they survived the flood? I am confused with this logic.
* After the flood it is said that the world would never be flooded again, as is the promise of the covenant of the rainbow. However what was not declared was that God would never try to destroy humanity again, as is obvious with all the predictions of an apocalypse with revelations if you believe in the whole apocalypse sort of thing.

One thing I think people fail to realize is that when it comes to a God like being. Why would this God operate on the same level of morality? Would it be genocide for God to flood the earth? Or in being God can you be anything but right?

Allow me to reply to that.

* No, but considering they have weapons far more efficient than human guns, it's kind of strange.
* Good point. But if the idea is to wipe out humanity, God seems to be forgetting one thing: HE IS GOD. Stealth is not required here, because judging by the preview and the previous (Biblical) abilities demonstrated by angels, somewhere around twenty would be more than enough to kill everything everywhere.
* I doubt they're the winged perfections that Michelangelo painted (especially those damn baby angel things; I hate those) but if this movie is based on the Bible in any way, it gives enough description of angels to definitely deny them the interpretation of angels looking like something out of Silent Hill.
* Glad to see we agree.
* Now that's not quite what I meant. Hear me out. The way the preview describes it, the woman's baby is more like John Conner from Terminator than Noah and family. It sounds more like he's not supposed to survive God's wrath, more like defeat God... somehow. Now, listen to this: The child grows up, gathers all of humanity under his influence, and directly defies God. Does that sound more like Noah, or the fucking Antichrist to you?
* Now, there's another point where I don't think I was clear. First off, God himself basically says in the Bible he does not go back on his word. In the movie, what is he doing? Going back on his word in every sense. Maybe I'm wrong here (haven't seen the movie, obviously) but it sounds like as opposed to what is described in Revelation, it's more like an extermination: God saying "fuck it", forgoing salvation for the faithful entirely, and just wiping out humanity as a whole. If this is indeed the Abrahamic God, then that right there is the biggest plot in the history of plot holes.

Maybe God is technically "right", but he is in this case doing the one thing he promised that he would never do, EVER: Lie. I mean, seriously. He said he would judge us, but never more than we could handle: An army of nigh-omnipotent servants sound like a lot more than the average human can handle, ESPECIALLY if they're some terrifying crossbreed between Biblical angels and every monster from every horror movie ever made.

 

[Daveman]

god yes. i like the actors (well, the two I recognise) and I thought Constantine was alright even though it wasn't. So yeah, I'll go see it.

Everyone keeps referenceing Constantine.
This movie is nothing like Constantine, Constantine actually had a good story.
If your saying its like Constantine because it refernces God, then I could say that I liked Charlton Heston's 10 Commandments.
they dont even have the same writers or director.

constantine was a similar style of film and yes the god bit is part of why it's similar but you have to admit the similarities run a bit deeper than that. what I'm saying is that I'm open to the idea of this film in general, so essentially it works well as a trailer but we'll see how the whole "film" thing goes.

also who cares about writers and directors? danny boyle did 28 days later and slumdog millionaire, I don't think they were particularly similar. I don't get what you're saying with that.

 

[IanBrazen]

god yes. i like the actors (well, the two I recognise) and I thought Constantine was alright even though it wasn't. So yeah, I'll go see it.

Everyone keeps referenceing Constantine.
This movie is nothing like Constantine, Constantine actually had a good story.
If your saying its like Constantine because it refernces God, then I could say that I liked Charlton Heston's 10 Commandments.
they dont even have the same writers or director.

constantine was a similar style of film and yes the god bit is part of why it's similar but you have to admit the similarities run a bit deeper than that. what I'm saying is that I'm open to the idea of this film in general, so essentially it works well as a trailer but we'll see how the whole "film" thing goes.

also who cares about writers and directors? danny boyle did 28 days later and slumdog millionaire, I don't think they were particularly similar. I don't get what you're saying with that.

Yeah I guess I can see where you would compare the two.
except Constantine was good.
and this...I dont know yet.

 

[Scarred Coyote]

Also, if the whole thing is based off the old testament, there is no satan and God is both good AND evil in one.........

...What?

thats why I dident respond to that one.
Dont encourage him.

Well, i think i didn't quit write down what i meant (teaches me to hastily write a post...)
What i meant to say is that in the old testament there is evil, but not satan (the fallen angel lucifer "lightbringer".Derived from the arabic shaitan, meaning enemy or destroyer)and God was pretty much into the whole "fuck with me and i'll mess you up" scene.As seen in, among other things, annihilating Soddom and Gamorrah, kicking adam and eve out of paradise for eating one lousy apple and pretty much flooding the whole damn world apart from the noah family and 2 of each living thing on earth.Thats pretty damn vindictive, if you ask me...

In that regard its quite concivable that God would think "fuck it, kill 'em all".
BUT as other people have pointed out, He could do that in a lot of other, easier ways.
flooding being on of them...although, maybe he doesn't like to do a repeat performance ;-)

 

[RealLifev2.0.09]

I just find these comments kind of funny but wanted to answer some points...

* If they are angels does it really matter what weapon they are using?
* To be honest I do not see the possession anywhere in the preview so I am assuming your confusing them for taking on the form of a human. ( Look at Lot and the two visitors that look like beautiful men but are actually angels in Genesis)
* How do you know what an angel looks like? Because Michelangelo painted beings with wings on the Sistine chapel?
* I agree with you on this point it looks like a B-Movie.
* So Noah and his family were anti-Christs since they survived the flood? I am confused with this logic.
* After the flood it is said that the world would never be flooded again, as is the promise of the covenant of the rainbow. However what was not declared was that God would never try to destroy humanity again, as is obvious with all the predictions of an apocalypse with revelations if you believe in the whole apocalypse sort of thing.

One thing I think people fail to realize is that when it comes to a God like being. Why would this God operate on the same level of morality? Would it be genocide for God to flood the earth? Or in being God can you be anything but right?

Allow me to reply to that.

* No, but considering they have weapons far more efficient than human guns, it's kind of strange.
* Good point. But if the idea is to wipe out humanity, God seems to be forgetting one thing: HE IS GOD. Stealth is not required here, because judging by the preview and the previous (Biblical) abilities demonstrated by angels, somewhere around twenty would be more than enough to kill everything everywhere.
* I doubt they're the winged perfections that Michelangelo painted (especially those damn baby angel things; I hate those) but if this movie is based on the Bible in any way, it gives enough description of angels to definitely deny them the interpretation of angels looking like something out of Silent Hill.
* Glad to see we agree.
* Now that's not quite what I meant. Hear me out. The way the preview describes it, the woman's baby is more like John Conner from Terminator than Noah and family. It sounds more like he's not supposed to survive God's wrath, more like defeat God... somehow. Now, listen to this: The child grows up, gathers all of humanity under his influence, and directly defies God. Does that sound more like Noah, or the fucking Antichrist to you?
* Now, there's another point where I don't think I was clear. First off, God himself basically says in the Bible he does not go back on his word. In the movie, what is he doing? Going back on his word in every sense. Maybe I'm wrong here (haven't seen the movie, obviously) but it sounds like as opposed to what is described in Revelation, it's more like an extermination: God saying "fuck it", forgoing salvation for the faithful entirely, and just wiping out humanity as a whole. If this is indeed the Abrahamic God, then that right there is the biggest plot in the history of plot holes.

Maybe God is technically "right", but he is in this case doing the one thing he promised that he would never do, EVER: Lie. I mean, seriously. He said he would judge us, but never more than we could handle: An army of nigh-omnipotent servants sound like a lot more than the average human can handle, ESPECIALLY if they're some terrifying crossbreed between Biblical angels and every monster from every horror movie ever made.

Yeah your right about a lot of those things, I did not take it as thinking about the fact that the movie suggests it more as an extermination then that of an apocalypse (As one of the cheesy lines does state...)

All in all I definitely agree with you on the fact that its pretty much an absurd depiction of the Abraham God.

But I guess it is just a preview, who knows maybe they will throw the predictable plot twist that it is not God but some other force that is orchestrating the catastrophe.