Poll: Martial Arts - Yay or Nay?
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No offence to Penn and teller (i don't know who they are sorry) but that sounds like an extremely ignorant thing to say. For a start it's a blanket statement that relates to maybe 2% of all martial arts and is totally untrue for the remaining 98%. The applications of martial arts in terms of conflict management alone are vast and abundantly obvious to anyone who has examined them even a little bit, and that's even if you ignore all of the other amazing things that can be gained from practicing them.Eico said:
I dabbled in TaeKwonDo (Olympic) as a teenager, got to green belt. Would have been higher but kept missing gradings!
In college I did a bit of the Keysi Fighting Method.
(The fighting system they taught Christian Bale for Batman Begins). Sadly, I picked up an injury out of my own carelessness and couldn't train, fell out of practice, got lazy... and here I am on the Teh Internetz feeling my ass grow!
My little brother did Judo for a couple of years, then recently took up Kung Fu (which he loved). I believe he studied the Shaolin variant of the martial art.
In college I did a bit of the Keysi Fighting Method.
(The fighting system they taught Christian Bale for Batman Begins). Sadly, I picked up an injury out of my own carelessness and couldn't train, fell out of practice, got lazy... and here I am on the Teh Internetz feeling my ass grow!
My little brother did Judo for a couple of years, then recently took up Kung Fu (which he loved). I believe he studied the Shaolin variant of the martial art.
Eico said:
That's all well and fine, but I started martial arts after a flat-mate of mine was raped.
Say what you will, but spending however many hours a week fighting is going to make you better at fighting, provided it is representative of a true confrontation. If I was being robbed, I'd hand over my stuff provided they have a weapon. If however, the attacker is after my life, or to cause harm to myself or any other person, I don't see an alternative than taking them down, if I can't just run away.
Nam Wah Pai.Okysho said:
Yes, there are these techniques, but non the less my sifu told me that the best thing to do when facing guys with knives is to just run. There are these stories of the doorman who got his belly slit open and the black-belt who got his skull cracked by an iron bar from behind. Martial arts can improve an average trainees odds in a fair fight. But when things get unfair John Doe should just run for it.
Judo's not just throwing. Judo actually incorporates a large amount of groundwork. In my experience it is about 50/50 however some people use about 90% ground work and 10% take down style throws (Leg sweeps etc rather than shoulder throws).Gordon_4 said:
Judo also incorporates chokes, strangles (there's a difference), arm bars and wrist locks in ground work.
More similar to Jujitsu than many believe. I have seen people who've only ever practiced Jujitsu compete in Judo tournaments and visa versa.
yay, did karate from 13 to 17, ended as a red belt, also learned wrestling (greco-roman) and a little bit of situational combat, i do it more for the fitness then learning to actually fight, altho it means i have very rarely lost a fight when they occur
Considering the average 2 year old can barely stand let alone perform Kung-Fu... (Unless you ment "I've been doing Kung-Fu for 2 years")Grimbold said:
OT: Jujitsu mostly and Ninjitsu from my old teacher, I stopped offically going early 2010 but I still train my body and mind at home, it's just not offical grading and all that jizz.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu comes from Judo Carlos Gracie watched a demonstration by Mitsuyo Maeda and became a student of his and from there he developed BJJStBishop said:
I do European longsword. It's useless for self-defense (unless you happen to have a longsword handy), but it's fun and good exercise. I've been doing it for about 6 months.
But it still doesn't mean you CAN NOT practice them if you don't like. That episode focused primarily on self defense via martial arts, not that the whole idea of it is bad thing.Eico said:
They bashed religion but still said that it is your choice if you believe or not, just do not enforce it to people who don't.
I got friend who is Finnish champion ship level on Karate, yet she keep saying it does bollocks for defense at the end of the day. She keeps saying that it is a great sport and fun hobby, even it busted her knee for rest of her life.
And no. I can not do sports really, I got weak knees and nerve damage on my right hand.
Ok, Ive done Martial Arts for around 16 years im 24 right now and somebody saying its not going to work clearly isnt a fighter of any sort.....and there is a split in martial arts self defence (jiu jitsu, Krav maga) and sports (most MMA, Tae kwon do) and its firstly about what you want from training and next its about the teacher.
I would say everybody should learn something just to see if its for them.
Fact is were I live its important to know how to protect yourself cause if you just give your stuff to somebody they'll just try again later however if your trained and attacked by 2 guys trying to take you money and phone you've got a fighting chance,
This happened to me and both guys ended up in stretchers and I did have cuts and bruises but it could have been alot worse had I not fought back.
And you say P&T say just give them what they want......what if your a girl and what if there arnt trying to mug you what if they are trying to rape you? should you just let it happen or should fight back? training in something like Jiu jitsu or krav maga would give you a shot at least.
I would say everybody should learn something just to see if its for them.
Fact is were I live its important to know how to protect yourself cause if you just give your stuff to somebody they'll just try again later however if your trained and attacked by 2 guys trying to take you money and phone you've got a fighting chance,
This happened to me and both guys ended up in stretchers and I did have cuts and bruises but it could have been alot worse had I not fought back.
And you say P&T say just give them what they want......what if your a girl and what if there arnt trying to mug you what if they are trying to rape you? should you just let it happen or should fight back? training in something like Jiu jitsu or krav maga would give you a shot at least.
That's laughable. Did they 'prove' how much of a bad thing game stores are by profiling Gamestop?Eico said:
There's nothing at all wrong with martial arts. I live in Japan where a large amount of them come from. I used to train at the Kyoto Budo Centre. Martial arts are great for fitness, self-awareness and esteem, challenge, patience, co-ordination, spiritual development (in the non religious sense), and so on. THEY ARE NOT, a way to 'learn how to fight'. That is not the tenant or maxim of perhaps ANY proper martial arts schools. The arts taught are a means to further self exploration and development. There's nothing wrong with that at all. That martial arts are primarily personal, allows people to learn self sufficiency if team sports are not their thing. Martial arts also a great way to make friends and connections. If anything is 'wrong' or 'bad', it is because of the teacher or the school.
That being said, if a person wishes to learn sports interpretations of martial arts, then I say, go for it. But even then, they shouldn't be going to to learn how to 'bust heads'. LIke any sport, the value is in the training and discipline. What you do with the result is your own choice.
If the connotation of 'bad' is that the martial arts aren't 'good enough' in a fight, well that certainly comes down to the combatants and every anti-MA/pro-OTHER 'expose' I have seen has been very onesided. A crap combatant is a crap combatant. A martial artist will probably never try to use the fancy stuff taught for display and co-ordination purposes, unless he's an idiot. In every martial art I have done, we've been taught that 'go large' is for show, but when it's real, techniques get quite minimal and direct.
What a meaningless response. You obviously have no interest in learning or exploring the topic, but you sure love to throw out empty absolutes. How about addressing what I wrote and showing me where it's such a clear 'matter of opinion'. Or are you just going to regurgitate what some magicians on TV said?Eico said:
You have to earn your seat at the table during discussion time.
Cheerio.