Poll: Mass Effect 2: Tali or Jack

[LiquidGrape]

Miranda seems to the only sane female romance choice in ME2.

Sure. If one finds uncanny valley attractive.

 

[Spectre4802]

Tali, out of the two. Jack's too much of a loose cannon and I hate her attitude.

 

[jamesworkshop]

Gotta be jack atleast shes human

 

[Internet Kraken]

If the Quarians had any technological breakthroughs, they certainly didn't have anything to do with immune-system boosting.

But but but...

And the Quarian marine who get shots once ends up being sick for a week. Despite having combat sealants and a massive amount of anti-biotics, a small infection still incapacitates him for an entire week.

Perhaps a bullet in a warzone is more dangerous than a decontaminated Shepard on a spaceship?

The bullet isn't what caused the problem though. The tiny hole created in his suit because of the bullet wound that exposed him to infection was the issue. If it weren't for Quarian immune systems being nonexistent, he wouldn't have been down for an entire week. So to a Quarian, the resulting infection is more dangerous than whatever damage the bullet itself causes.

So yes, Tali having sex with Shepard is stupid since that leaves Tali completely exposed. The Normandy is not a sterile environment, so the whole thing doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be so opposed to this romance if it was a blatant violation of lore established in both games. They could have made it far more interesting if it had to be a platonic relationship, but instead the writers took the easy route.

 

[Danny Ocean]

The bullet isn't what caused the problem though. The tiny hole created in his suit because of the bullet wound that exposed him to infection was the issue. If it weren't for Quarian immune systems being nonexistent, he wouldn't have been down for an entire week. So to a Quarian, the resulting infection is more dangerous than whatever damage the bullet itself causes.

So yes, Tali having sex with Shepard is stupid since that leaves Tali completely exposed. The Normandy is not a sterile environment, so the whole thing doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be so opposed to this romance if it was a blatant violation of lore established in both games. They could have made it far more interesting if it had to be a platonic relationship, but instead the writers took the easy route.

I'm thinking that Quarians have vaccines. It'd make sense to vaccinate against other species' just being in contact with them, no? They do have immune systems, they're just weak.

And don't you go through the decontamination chamber every time you enter the ship? Surely that would make it sterile?

Besides, we don't see them having sex, just making out. It's not that a big a deal. =P

 

[Internet Kraken]

The bullet isn't what caused the problem though. The tiny hole created in his suit because of the bullet wound that exposed him to infection was the issue. If it weren't for Quarian immune systems being nonexistent, he wouldn't have been down for an entire week. So to a Quarian, the resulting infection is more dangerous than whatever damage the bullet itself causes.

So yes, Tali having sex with Shepard is stupid since that leaves Tali completely exposed. The Normandy is not a sterile environment, so the whole thing doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be so opposed to this romance if it was a blatant violation of lore established in both games. They could have made it far more interesting if it had to be a platonic relationship, but instead the writers took the easy route.

I'm thinking that Quarians have vaccines. It'd make sense to vaccinate against other species' just being in contact with them, no? They do have immune systems, they're just weak.

And don't you go through the decontamination chamber every time you enter the ship? Surely that would make it sterile?

Besides, we don't see them having sex, just making out. It's not that a big a deal. =P

Why would the Quarians, a species that has been isolated from the rest of the galaxy for 300 years, have vaccines specifically designed for the purpose of curing diseases transmitted by other species? Romance with other species is definitely not something I would see the Quarian government promoting. This seems a like a very niche group to be developing incredibly advanced vaccines for. Plus if the Quarians could produce magical cure-all vaccines, their suits being ruptured would not be an issue.

And yes the ship has limited decontamination, but it's not perfect. And it is said that the Normandy is not a completley sterile environment. Plus that wouldn't rid you of all the germs crawling around inside your body. And when you make out there is enough exchange of body fluids to cause problems.


Nothing anyone says can convince me this wasn't a poorly written romance since the writers evidently can't come up with a romance that doesn't end in sex. It screws with lore while providing no good explanation for it, but we're just supposed to accept that for the sake of Quarian tits. It pisses me off when writers butcher their own work for this kind of crap. I was worried about them doing that in Mass Effect 2 when I heard about the Tali romance, and that's exactly what they did.

 

[Hiphophippo]

I went with Jack as a Paragon myself. We worked through her demons. I'm a badass.

High five, me too! The number of people who dismiss her out of hand infuriates me. I mean, why should every squad mate be as friendly and pleasant as possible? Jack seems to think for herself far more than Tali does. Plus she has my favourite line in the game:

*To Commander Shepard*
Jack: Shit, you sound like a pussy.

...

I just congratulated someone over the internet for romancing a virtual character. I think I hate myself even more now.

We're the coolest. Fact: I prefer a chick who's a little crazy and a lot of intense.

 

[Vrex360]

I actually didn't go with either, I chose to stick with Ashley from Mass Effect 1. I liked her tough attitude and flirty chemistry with Shepard and it seemed like the plot was better suited to her than anyone else. From my view anyway.

That said, if I had to pick it would be kind of difficult because on the one hand Tali is quite sweet and likeable but on the other hand Jack has a tragic backstory and long lasting sad life and above all else just needed someone to show that they loved her.
So it's hard to choose but part of me reckons, if I had made the choice at all of course, that I would go with Jack. Because her romance subplot was probably the one with the most real emotion, especially in the last scene (at least according to clips I saw off youtube).

 

[Kevlar Eater]

I picked Tali. Jack reminds me of my sister, only with hair and no biotic powers.

 

[Anezay]

I believe that romances in video games have never been done correctly, and when BioWare just hastily throws them together like this it's not convincing me otherwise. It's just wasted story potential.

Never? You, my friend, should play Half-life 2 and its episodes.

 

[I Max95]

"cant i have you both?"
-shepard from mass effect


id do it.

in this particular case
YOU CAN!
but jack wont speak to you afterwards

 

[Souplex]

I went with Miranda, but of the two, I'd go with Tali. I utterly hated Jack.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

The bullet isn't what caused the problem though. The tiny hole created in his suit because of the bullet wound that exposed him to infection was the issue. If it weren't for Quarian immune systems being nonexistent, he wouldn't have been down for an entire week. So to a Quarian, the resulting infection is more dangerous than whatever damage the bullet itself causes.

So yes, Tali having sex with Shepard is stupid since that leaves Tali completely exposed. The Normandy is not a sterile environment, so the whole thing doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be so opposed to this romance if it was a blatant violation of lore established in both games. They could have made it far more interesting if it had to be a platonic relationship, but instead the writers took the easy route.

I'm thinking that Quarians have vaccines. It'd make sense to vaccinate against other species' just being in contact with them, no? They do have immune systems, they're just weak.

And don't you go through the decontamination chamber every time you enter the ship? Surely that would make it sterile?

Besides, we don't see them having sex, just making out. It's not that a big a deal. =P

Why would the Quarians, a species that has been isolated from the rest of the galaxy for 300 years, have vaccines specifically designed for the purpose of curing diseases transmitted by other species? Romance with other species is definitely not something I would see the Quarian government promoting. This seems a like a very niche group to be developing incredibly advanced vaccines for. Plus if the Quarians could produce magical cure-all vaccines, their suits being ruptured would not be an issue.

And yes the ship has limited decontamination, but it's not perfect. And it is said that the Normandy is not a completley sterile environment. Plus that wouldn't rid you of all the germs crawling around inside your body. And when you make out there is enough exchange of body fluids to cause problems.


Nothing anyone says can convince me this wasn't a poorly written romance since the writers evidently can't come up with a romance that doesn't end in sex. It screws with lore while providing no good explanation for it, but we're just supposed to accept that for the sake of Quarian tits. It pisses me off when writers butcher their own work for this kind of crap. I was worried about them doing that in Mass Effect 2 when I heard about the Tali romance, and that's exactly what they did.

Well for a start Quarians can't get diseases from Humans, as they have different amino acids (that's how the game explains it). The problem is the cross-species fluid contact, which causes the Quarian immune system to go nuts and produce an intense fever afterwards (Quarians don't have weak immune systems, just immune systems which don't have a clue what they're supposed to fight or ignore). So seeing as there is actually less chance of infection from a Human to a Quarian than from Quarian to Quarian, the sexual relation could work. After all, Quarians must be able to have sexual relations with each other.

However, I do agree with you that a platonic relation would be far more interesting in the game.

 

[khiliani]

i picked tali becuase she is the most interesting character in the cgame, and cause jack pisses me off to no end. bioware realy wants you to feel sorry for her, and frankly i couldnt give damn.

Geo Da Sponge is mostly right, quarians are only immunosuppressed, if they didnt have an immune system, they would be killed by their own microflora. and they cant get other races diseases, cause diseases are species or family specific. as the game says they only get an allergic reaction, hayhfeaver. so Scientifically, or as scientific as you can get in a sci-fi atleast, its possible. and no im not talking out of my arse, im a major in microbiology and immunology.
the stuff about amino acids is a bit bullshit though

 

[Dr. Awesome Face]

I can't remember how exactly but I really pissed off Jack and now she just tells me "Fuck Off!" everytime I try to talk to her. Eh....I already found out all the interesting stuff and if i forget there's always wikipedia. Anyway Tali is way better.

I chose Tali because I wanted to see her face, and then... yeah.

Fuck you, camera. Fuck you.

Pretty much what I was going to say. I choose to believe that she has a fully designed and rendered face that has always been there but Bioware is just gonna keep fucking with us until Mass Effect 27.

 

[Jackalb]

Jack, because y'know SHE'S HUMAN!

 

[AllLagNoFrag]

Out of the both of them, Tali, Jack is damaged goods to me (who knows what went on in the facility she was in).

But out of all possible romances in ME2, its gotta be Miranda hands down (you cant not be attracted to Yvonne Strahovski)

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

I love how all the Tali hate focuses on a) her accent (awesomely superficial), b) the fact that she's an alien (moderately superficial given the setting), and c) her inability to play games or mince words (self-destructive tendencies masquerading as high-brow criticism).

Tali is friendly, humble, and self-deprecating without being weak or incompetent. You don't have to peel away layers or work for her affection because she's not ten tons of oversexualized baggage. I swear, guys (and gals) are just gluttons for punishment.

Sidebar: it's not hero-worship if it's mutual.

 

[Serioli]

If the Quarians had any technological breakthroughs, they certainly didn't have anything to do with immune-system boosting.

But but but...

And the Quarian marine who get shots once ends up being sick for a week. Despite having combat sealants and a massive amount of anti-biotics, a small infection still incapacitates him for an entire week.

Perhaps a bullet in a warzone is more dangerous than a decontaminated Shepard on a spaceship?

The bullet isn't what caused the problem though. The tiny hole created in his suit because of the bullet wound that exposed him to infection was the issue. If it weren't for Quarian immune systems being nonexistent, he wouldn't have been down for an entire week. So to a Quarian, the resulting infection is more dangerous than whatever damage the bullet itself causes.

So yes, Tali having sex with Shepard is stupid since that leaves Tali completely exposed. The Normandy is not a sterile environment, so the whole thing doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be so opposed to this romance if it was a blatant violation of lore established in both games. They could have made it far more interesting if it had to be a platonic relationship, but instead the writers took the easy route.

Does it actually say that it's the small hole that caused the problem? (I've played through once and am currently winging through ME1 on easy to get a different build up story. Rachni for the win!)

I ask because of the differences in situation. Imagine the following:
You take a real life round, rub it on youe skin, pass it under you nose while inhaling or even rub it on your sexual organs then leave it a week. Would you be likely to pick up any infections?
You take that exact same round, load it in a gun and shoot it through your calf which results in tiny particles of dirt, microbes etc being introduced directly into your blood stream and embedding in your calf (the dust, not the round itself). Say you're bandaged quickly and there are no issues of shock or blood loss etc but you have no access to anti-biotics for whatever reason. Even with your immune system it is extremely likely you will pick up infection.
I think with the marine it's less to do with suit sealing quickly or slowly eyc and more to do with a load of filth being practically injected into his bloodstream.

OT: I went with Miranda on my only playthrough so far. I'd probably go with Tali given the OP's choices though as psycho girls hit a little too close to home for me.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Nothing anyone says can convince me this wasn't a poorly written romance since the writers evidently can't come up with a romance that doesn't end in sex. It screws with lore while providing no good explanation for it, but we're just supposed to accept that for the sake of Quarian tits. It pisses me off when writers butcher their own work for this kind of crap. I was worried about them doing that in Mass Effect 2 when I heard about the Tali romance, and that's exactly what they did.

Huh? What Quarian tits?

It seems like this is one of those things where, if you're ok with it, you can easily justify it to yourself. However, if you're not, then there's no way someone else will be able to justify it to you.

Does it actually say that it's the small hole that caused the problem? (I've played through once and am currently winging through ME1 on easy to get a different build up story. Rachni for the win!)

I ask because of the differences in situation. Imagine the following:
You take a real life round, rub it on youe skin, pass it under you nose while inhaling or even rub it on your sexual organs then leave it a week. Would you be likely to pick up any infections?
You take that exact same round, load it in a gun and shoot it through your calf which results in tiny particles of dirt, microbes etc being introduced directly into your blood stream and embedding in your calf (the dust, not the round itself). Say you're bandaged quickly and there are no issues of shock or blood loss etc but you have no access to anti-biotics for whatever reason. Even with your immune system it is extremely likely you will pick up infection.
I think with the marine it's less to do with suit sealing quickly or slowly eyc and more to do with a load of filth being practically injected into his bloodstream.

This is what I meant. They may not have a good immune system, but they do have skin.