Poll: MW2's multiplayer fundamentally broken?

[Mandalore_15]

you said it yourself, for the high level players who have been playing longer it's more fun because they are doing better. Tell me a shooter where this doesn't happen. Say you buy a game 6-8 months after it launches and jump into online multiplayer, do you honestly think it's broken if your getting smashed by people who have been playing it, learning it, living it for that time?

I already addressed this. There will always be better players and that's fine so long as you're on a level playing field. In MW2 you're not, because the better players also have better equipment, furthering the gap that n00bs need to cross to catch up. Getting to a high level is all well and good, but you need good matchmaking so it's fun for everyone, not just the select few.

Now to the myths, grenades do not disappear...how else would you get the afterlife bonus? I have often thrown a semtex, been shot dead then gotten kills with my grenade.

I have never received an afterlife bonus. And grenades obviously do disappear, because it's happened to me a number of times, and other people seem to be complaining of teh same thing. The only grenade I've ever seen detonate after death is the martyrdom grenade, which is kind of the point of it. Apart from that, no after death 'splodey...

I'm trying to finish the prestige challenges for the lower level killstreaks [calling in 1000 UAVs' e.t.c]. Before the flamers fire up, I work 40hrs a week and have a wife and 2 kids, so no, I'm not playing 8-12 hrs a day. 2-4 hrs TOPS, but yes I do play most days.

You have two kids and still find time to play 4 hours a day? Huh.

 

[Mandalore_15]

Mandalore, you should get a better Internet connection. Most of your problems will be magically solved!

I have Sky 20mb Broadband running through a Netgear WNDR37AV high-performance wireless router. I don't think my internet connection could BE much better... XD

That again, if you're dumb, you'll always find MW2 imbalanced...

Have you even read my post?

I have and the problems you have are no different to any other online shooter, specifically, if your just not that good at it it's just not that fun.

So first you blamed my disappearing bullets on a bad internet connection (refuted) and now you're blaming it on me being shit?

 

[Jack_Uzi]

-snip-
Just curious, but I see you don't like a harrier or chopper ending your killstreak.....What, if I may ask, killstreak are you trying to earn, a harrier or chopper perhaps? Paradoxical isn't it.

Nah, I wasn't talking about my kill streak but the one that the person who called in the harrier or chopper did. They already have a kill streak, but those kind of things are going to make it just a bit easier for them to continue on doing so. I just want to see some skill from person to person.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

i traded the game in yesterday for all the reasons you posted and more (another flaw you didnt mention is that the knife fails to work half the time)
though funilly enough, i started playing cod4 again and was having ALOT more fun that ive ever had with mw2, which in my opinion is a much more balanced game, especially with the killstreaks

 

[imgunagitusucka]

you said it yourself, for the high level players who have been playing longer it's more fun because they are doing better. Tell me a shooter where this doesn't happen. Say you buy a game 6-8 months after it launches and jump into online multiplayer, do you honestly think it's broken if your getting smashed by people who have been playing it, learning it, living it for that time?

I already addressed this. There will always be better players and that's fine so long as you're on a level playing field. In MW2 you're not, because the better players also have better equipment, furthering the gap that n00bs need to cross to catch up. Getting to a high level is all well and good, but you need good matchmaking so it's fun for everyone, not just the select few.

Now to the myths, grenades do not disappear...how else would you get the afterlife bonus? I have often thrown a semtex, been shot dead then gotten kills with my grenade.

I have never received an afterlife bonus. And grenades obviously do disappear, because it's happened to me a number of times, and other people seem to be complaining of teh same thing. The only grenade I've ever seen detonate after death is the martyrdom grenade, which is kind of the point of it. Apart from that, no after death 'splodey...

I'm trying to finish the prestige challenges for the lower level killstreaks [calling in 1000 UAVs' e.t.c]. Before the flamers fire up, I work 40hrs a week and have a wife and 2 kids, so no, I'm not playing 8-12 hrs a day. 2-4 hrs TOPS, but yes I do play most days.

You have two kids and still find time to play 4 hours a day? Huh.

2-4hrs TOPS, as in maximum, like after they're in bed on a weekend evening and I'm up for a late night, other wise more like 1-2 hrs MOST days, because I finish work at 2pm and get some game time in before getting them from school. Or 1/2 to 3/4 hr before work, or even playing games with them for a couple of hours as it's something we enjoy doing together, they are teenagers after all.

 

[imgunagitusucka]

Mandalore, you should get a better Internet connection. Most of your problems will be magically solved!

I have Sky 20mb Broadband running through a Netgear WNDR37AV high-performance wireless router. I don't think my internet connection could BE much better... XD

That again, if you're dumb, you'll always find MW2 imbalanced...

Have you even read my post?

I have and the problems you have are no different to any other online shooter, specifically, if your just not that good at it it's just not that fun.

So first you blamed my disappearing bullets on a bad internet connection (refuted) and now you're blaming it on me being shit?

The first sentence you posted "I suck at MW2 MP" or did you forget?

 

[Mandalore_15]

you said it yourself, for the high level players who have been playing longer it's more fun because they are doing better. Tell me a shooter where this doesn't happen. Say you buy a game 6-8 months after it launches and jump into online multiplayer, do you honestly think it's broken if your getting smashed by people who have been playing it, learning it, living it for that time?

I already addressed this. There will always be better players and that's fine so long as you're on a level playing field. In MW2 you're not, because the better players also have better equipment, furthering the gap that n00bs need to cross to catch up. Getting to a high level is all well and good, but you need good matchmaking so it's fun for everyone, not just the select few.

Now to the myths, grenades do not disappear...how else would you get the afterlife bonus? I have often thrown a semtex, been shot dead then gotten kills with my grenade.

I have never received an afterlife bonus. And grenades obviously do disappear, because it's happened to me a number of times, and other people seem to be complaining of teh same thing. The only grenade I've ever seen detonate after death is the martyrdom grenade, which is kind of the point of it. Apart from that, no after death 'splodey...

I'm trying to finish the prestige challenges for the lower level killstreaks [calling in 1000 UAVs' e.t.c]. Before the flamers fire up, I work 40hrs a week and have a wife and 2 kids, so no, I'm not playing 8-12 hrs a day. 2-4 hrs TOPS, but yes I do play most days.

You have two kids and still find time to play 4 hours a day? Huh.

2-4hrs TOPS, as in maximum, like after they're in bed on a weekend evening and I'm up for a late night, other wise more like 1-2 hrs MOST days, because I finish work at 2pm and get some game time in before getting them from school. Or 1/2 to 3/4 hr before work, or even playing games with them for a couple of hours as it's something we enjoy doing together, they are teenagers after all.

I just found that kind of baffling, I'm at university and I barely get enough time to play 4 hours of games a week. =P

 

[DSK-]

I don't have a problem with the original or actual mechanics of the game. It may not be balanced, but I've been able to do well in it for a long period of time (when I played) for me not to be too bothered by them.

Besides, whining doesn't get you anywhere. It's best to just get on with the game, learn it, come up with solutions to bad experiences and improve your skill.

 

[Mandalore_15]

Mandalore, you should get a better Internet connection. Most of your problems will be magically solved!

I have Sky 20mb Broadband running through a Netgear WNDR37AV high-performance wireless router. I don't think my internet connection could BE much better... XD

That again, if you're dumb, you'll always find MW2 imbalanced...

Have you even read my post?

I have and the problems you have are no different to any other online shooter, specifically, if your just not that good at it it's just not that fun.

So first you blamed my disappearing bullets on a bad internet connection (refuted) and now you're blaming it on me being shit?

The first sentence you posted "I suck at MW2 MP" or did you forget?

I'm not complaining about sucking though, am I? I'm complaining about the game glitching and being cheap. I mean, how can having half a clip of ammo not registering be attributed in any way to me being shit? I can still have fun being crap at a game so long as it's fair. When it starts being cheap that's when I go "ah, bullshit..."

 

[RobCoxxy]

guns are unbalanced (UMP45 I'm looking at YOU).

That pretty much sums it up for me.

Tar21/ACR vs UMP at range?

UMP wins.

 

[Darktau]

If you play MW2 in a forgiving way, the multi player is an extremely fun experience. The only problem I have EVER faced on it, is the crappy connections sometimes, which leave me with very odd bullet detection, where I just leave and play in a different lobby. Admittedly you will almost always get a better score with grenade launchers, but on PS3 they aren't used that much, and on 360, despite being used more often, it's not hard to predict them and kill them.

Mw2 is balanced, aside from maybe grenade launchers, it's just the fact you die so quick that people tend to think the game is unbalanced.

And the UMP45 is OP? Im sorry, seriously? I can kill someone with a UMP 9 times out of 10 with an assault rifle, the ump is just a close ranged weapon, it sucks on accuracy and long range, but has a large firing speed and a large mag for close range. It is probably one of the single best balanced gun in the whole damn game.

 

[imgunagitusucka]

Mandalore, you should get a better Internet connection. Most of your problems will be magically solved!

I have Sky 20mb Broadband running through a Netgear WNDR37AV high-performance wireless router. I don't think my internet connection could BE much better... XD

That again, if you're dumb, you'll always find MW2 imbalanced...

Have you even read my post?

I have and the problems you have are no different to any other online shooter, specifically, if your just not that good at it it's just not that fun.

So first you blamed my disappearing bullets on a bad internet connection (refuted) and now you're blaming it on me being shit?

The first sentence you posted "I suck at MW2 MP" or did you forget?

I'm not complaining about sucking though, am I? I'm complaining about the game glitching and being cheap. I mean, how can having half a clip of ammo not registering be attributed in any way to me being shit? I can still have fun being crap at a game so long as it's fair. When it starts being cheap that's when I go "ah, bullshit..."

Because if you didn't suck, the other guy would be looking at the kill cam going "ah, bullshit..." as you killed him first, you don't seem to see that everybody is playing within the same system of rules, therefore it IS fair, we are all in the same boat and it happens to everybody, it just happens to those who suck more...because they suck. That isn't directed at you individually, it's just an obvious side effect of sucking.

 

[masseyguy911]

Eh I don't play the game anymore... a lot of what you said is why.
The perks, leveling and killstreaks all felt like IW was just trying to cram as much stuff into them as they could. My biggest problem was how they matched you with other players. I got so tired of being put into matches where I was at least 20 levels below the other players. I mean come on, is it really that hard to match me with players my own level?

 

[imgunagitusucka]

you said it yourself, for the high level players who have been playing longer it's more fun because they are doing better. Tell me a shooter where this doesn't happen. Say you buy a game 6-8 months after it launches and jump into online multiplayer, do you honestly think it's broken if your getting smashed by people who have been playing it, learning it, living it for that time?

I already addressed this. There will always be better players and that's fine so long as you're on a level playing field. In MW2 you're not, because the better players also have better equipment, furthering the gap that n00bs need to cross to catch up. Getting to a high level is all well and good, but you need good matchmaking so it's fun for everyone, not just the select few.

Now to the myths, grenades do not disappear...how else would you get the afterlife bonus? I have often thrown a semtex, been shot dead then gotten kills with my grenade.

I have never received an afterlife bonus. And grenades obviously do disappear, because it's happened to me a number of times, and other people seem to be complaining of teh same thing. The only grenade I've ever seen detonate after death is the martyrdom grenade, which is kind of the point of it. Apart from that, no after death 'splodey...

I'm trying to finish the prestige challenges for the lower level killstreaks [calling in 1000 UAVs' e.t.c]. Before the flamers fire up, I work 40hrs a week and have a wife and 2 kids, so no, I'm not playing 8-12 hrs a day. 2-4 hrs TOPS, but yes I do play most days.

You have two kids and still find time to play 4 hours a day? Huh.

2-4hrs TOPS, as in maximum, like after they're in bed on a weekend evening and I'm up for a late night, other wise more like 1-2 hrs MOST days, because I finish work at 2pm and get some game time in before getting them from school. Or 1/2 to 3/4 hr before work, or even playing games with them for a couple of hours as it's something we enjoy doing together, they are teenagers after all.

I just found that kind of baffling, I'm at university and I barely get enough time to play 4 hours of games a week. =P

When I finish work, there's no studying, no assignments, no frat parties, no trying to get laid by the school ho. Just time for my wife, my kids and me. And who's fault is it that you've never gotten an afterlife bonus? Someone elses' I suppose.

 

[Mandalore_15]

Mandalore, you should get a better Internet connection. Most of your problems will be magically solved!

I have Sky 20mb Broadband running through a Netgear WNDR37AV high-performance wireless router. I don't think my internet connection could BE much better... XD

That again, if you're dumb, you'll always find MW2 imbalanced...

Have you even read my post?

I have and the problems you have are no different to any other online shooter, specifically, if your just not that good at it it's just not that fun.

So first you blamed my disappearing bullets on a bad internet connection (refuted) and now you're blaming it on me being shit?

The first sentence you posted "I suck at MW2 MP" or did you forget?

I'm not complaining about sucking though, am I? I'm complaining about the game glitching and being cheap. I mean, how can having half a clip of ammo not registering be attributed in any way to me being shit? I can still have fun being crap at a game so long as it's fair. When it starts being cheap that's when I go "ah, bullshit..."

Because if you didn't suck, the other guy would be looking at the kill cam going "ah, bullshit..." as you killed him first, you don't seem to see that everybody is playing within the same system of rules, therefore it IS fair, we are all in the same boat and it happens to everybody, it just happens to those who suck more...because they suck. That isn't directed at you individually, it's just an obvious side effect of sucking.

Well obviously in that circumstance not everybody IS playing by the same system of rules if my 15 odd bullets that HIT the guy don't register and his one or two bullets kill me outright. That can't be attributed to skill, that's just lazy fucking coding.

 

[Hosker]

I normally do pretty damn well, but I nearly always do team deathmatch. There are some things in the game which need sorting out, but I don't think its broken.

 

[Vampire cat]

The game isn't very unbalanced when it comes to unlocks. Most of the firearms are well balanced like that. I could enjoy the RPD well into my 30's (level), where I switched to the AUG H-BAR which carries on the LMG line nicely. The SMGs and Assault rifles I also have no problem with, they all seem quite well balanced.

I only play Hardcore tho. As do I in BC2. Being able to withstand a full clip isn't apealing to me, I like the realism of only taking a few shots before you die. I also like how there is usually no map and crosshair, makes it a bit more interesting.

Things not balanced are the killstreak rewards and some of the perks. I get that doing well should be rewarded, but as has been pointed out by the OP, in MW2 you can do well, be rewarded, be rewarded by using your reward and then be rewarded again. So you just have the top players getting more and more tools, while the rest is stuck down bellow. I've had these reward streaks myself, I know how fun they can be, but strangely I think of the fun of other players too when I play. Getting raped over and over by flying things and stuff like that gets old after a while =p.

But what truly annoys me about the game is how the game has "become" due to players. You'll now have a tendancy to end up in games where you are expected to be a sniper and only do quick-scoping (which IMO is such a rubbish tactic). You'll actually have people call you a noob if you look trough the scope! In other words, if you act like a sniper, your a noob camper, if you use a sniper but run around like a retard thats ok. I've also been called noob for using Assault Rifles and LMGs.

Then there's the obvious exploits of perks, teleportation knifing and so on. I've already made a massive rant about knifing a while ago, so I'm not gona do another one. I'm sure if you search the forum you'll find my rant.

In the end, I think it's the small maps and low player count that ruin this game for me. The game becomes so unbelievably generic after a little while, especially when your like me and refuses to pay for addons like map packs which used to be not many years ago. (it's actually consoles that drove forth that trend, beore it's rarely if ever been any pay-for multiplayer expansions for FPSs, now they are all over the place).

 

[Mandalore_15]

you said it yourself, for the high level players who have been playing longer it's more fun because they are doing better. Tell me a shooter where this doesn't happen. Say you buy a game 6-8 months after it launches and jump into online multiplayer, do you honestly think it's broken if your getting smashed by people who have been playing it, learning it, living it for that time?

I already addressed this. There will always be better players and that's fine so long as you're on a level playing field. In MW2 you're not, because the better players also have better equipment, furthering the gap that n00bs need to cross to catch up. Getting to a high level is all well and good, but you need good matchmaking so it's fun for everyone, not just the select few.

Now to the myths, grenades do not disappear...how else would you get the afterlife bonus? I have often thrown a semtex, been shot dead then gotten kills with my grenade.

I have never received an afterlife bonus. And grenades obviously do disappear, because it's happened to me a number of times, and other people seem to be complaining of teh same thing. The only grenade I've ever seen detonate after death is the martyrdom grenade, which is kind of the point of it. Apart from that, no after death 'splodey...

I'm trying to finish the prestige challenges for the lower level killstreaks [calling in 1000 UAVs' e.t.c]. Before the flamers fire up, I work 40hrs a week and have a wife and 2 kids, so no, I'm not playing 8-12 hrs a day. 2-4 hrs TOPS, but yes I do play most days.

You have two kids and still find time to play 4 hours a day? Huh.

2-4hrs TOPS, as in maximum, like after they're in bed on a weekend evening and I'm up for a late night, other wise more like 1-2 hrs MOST days, because I finish work at 2pm and get some game time in before getting them from school. Or 1/2 to 3/4 hr before work, or even playing games with them for a couple of hours as it's something we enjoy doing together, they are teenagers after all.

I just found that kind of baffling, I'm at university and I barely get enough time to play 4 hours of games a week. =P

When I finish work, there's no studying, no assignments, no frat parties, no trying to get laid by the school ho. Just time for my wife, my kids and me.

Mate, I'm not American... I don't go to "frat" parties, and I've had a girlfriend for two years now. XD

 

[Engarde]

I think it is extremely broken as is. People have been through this many times before, obvious things like:
Guns and perks being unbalanced, and requiring them to be unlocked does not help....
No dedicated servers, rampant lag issues
With as many explosives as is, maps are focused on central chokepoints and things
Etc
Etc
Etc
I shan't expect them to be changed in the next one as is. Just keep the money making moo cow as is. Then we shall all complain about it. The cycle continues.

 

[imgunagitusucka]

Mandalore, you should get a better Internet connection. Most of your problems will be magically solved!

I have Sky 20mb Broadband running through a Netgear WNDR37AV high-performance wireless router. I don't think my internet connection could BE much better... XD

That again, if you're dumb, you'll always find MW2 imbalanced...

Have you even read my post?

I have and the problems you have are no different to any other online shooter, specifically, if your just not that good at it it's just not that fun.

So first you blamed my disappearing bullets on a bad internet connection (refuted) and now you're blaming it on me being shit?

The first sentence you posted "I suck at MW2 MP" or did you forget?

I'm not complaining about sucking though, am I? I'm complaining about the game glitching and being cheap. I mean, how can having half a clip of ammo not registering be attributed in any way to me being shit? I can still have fun being crap at a game so long as it's fair. When it starts being cheap that's when I go "ah, bullshit..."

Because if you didn't suck, the other guy would be looking at the kill cam going "ah, bullshit..." as you killed him first, you don't seem to see that everybody is playing within the same system of rules, therefore it IS fair, we are all in the same boat and it happens to everybody, it just happens to those who suck more...because they suck. That isn't directed at you individually, it's just an obvious side effect of sucking.

Well obviously in that circumstance not everybody IS playing by the same system of rules if my 15 odd bullets that HIT the guy don't register and his one or two bullets kill me outright. That can't be attributed to skill, that's just lazy fucking coding.

Now that's just non sensical illogical whining. So your saying that everybody else got a "different" MW2 than you and play within a different code than you? Honestly, listen to yourself.