She's going through a phase it seems like. Seems she doesn't really know anything about communism as well.
Poll: My friend is a Communist
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No, anarchy is actually the opposite of what you're saying. Anarchy means not having a central government, hence communism without one, is an anarchy. And just everybody working towards a common goal is not having a central body to guide them.Stealthygamer said:
Communism only has such an appeal because it's typically brought about through a romanticized armed struggle that takes years to do. That looking at it through glass looks very nice at the get go. But swiftly corrupts itself.
Maybe communism would of been a much better system had Lennon not died so quickly. But he did, and every country that tried communism has some major problems.
Your friend is, I want to say just posing. Being the social outcast to stand out. But seems she really seems to believe in communism. Well one day she'll realize how stupid it is and get over it, or you can hope she can.
My uncle calls me a comrade, to that I'm a communist. Not so much as an insult but to a joke. I like the Red Army, not the system that it fought for.
You could say I'm a nazi in that way than. I like the German army of WW2, not for the atrocities they committed, but they look awesome. They're equipment and weapons are awesome.
But it's a very narrow sighted approach isn't it.
Anyways, unless she starts shoving it down your throat and insulting you with capitalist pig remarks. I think it's safe to remain friends?
Maybe communism would of been a much better system had Lennon not died so quickly. But he did, and every country that tried communism has some major problems.
Your friend is, I want to say just posing. Being the social outcast to stand out. But seems she really seems to believe in communism. Well one day she'll realize how stupid it is and get over it, or you can hope she can.
My uncle calls me a comrade, to that I'm a communist. Not so much as an insult but to a joke. I like the Red Army, not the system that it fought for.
You could say I'm a nazi in that way than. I like the German army of WW2, not for the atrocities they committed, but they look awesome. They're equipment and weapons are awesome.
But it's a very narrow sighted approach isn't it.
Anyways, unless she starts shoving it down your throat and insulting you with capitalist pig remarks. I think it's safe to remain friends?
Not really, the goal of both is a stateless society. Heck the only differences between Anarcho-Syndacalism/Anarcho-Communism and Communism are the ways in which they bring about a stateless society.Stealthygamer said:
Can you provide a source for this? Reading this made me have an "eerr..what?" moment.R Man said:
I suppose one can be anything, but people tend to forget Communism is a governmental system that works like any aristocratic system. Yes it tries to balance out economics, jobs, health, quality of life from the top down. The trouble is after a certain point(larger than a small city) those in charge live like kings and start taking resources for themselves. Kinda like what Unregulated Capitalism is doing now.
Regulated Socialism seems to work better at least the people are are healthy and government corruption comes from else where than corporations all the time.
Regulated Socialism seems to work better at least the people are are healthy and government corruption comes from else where than corporations all the time.
I live under a conservative right wing government in Britain but I'm still a socialist. I vote Labour every election.
I knew a few people who have believed in communism and that's fine with me. The worst thing is people get the Russian dictatorships of, for example, Stalin confused with actual communism.
In my view communism isn't going to work until our society has advanced quite a bit. I think democracy works better for the world at the moment. Even though it seems a little broken in places.
I knew a few people who have believed in communism and that's fine with me. The worst thing is people get the Russian dictatorships of, for example, Stalin confused with actual communism.
In my view communism isn't going to work until our society has advanced quite a bit. I think democracy works better for the world at the moment. Even though it seems a little broken in places.
I knew someone like that, he wasn't a communist he was a "LOLEDGYKommunist!", who wouldn't last a day in a real communist country. I told him time and time again about how many people starved as a result of collectivist farming and how devastated the USSR's economy was at the end of the Cold War but he didn't listen. People think try to be edgy by adopting an ideology that goes against the mainstream government attitude without truly understanding it a lot.
If she believes in Communism the ideal then she is a Communist. That said you should buy her a fruit basket and welcome her to the party comrade.
>Is actually social-libertarian.
>Is actually social-libertarian.
Op doesn't know what communism is, and doesn't realize that he/she is probably a socialist. Public and communal sectors in government, if you believe in public sectors, your a socialist, you may be a communist, but you are CERTAINLY NOT a capitalist. A capitalist would be apposed to probably even the system of government itself, or at least any inclusion of it in the economic sector. The moment you support government interventions and public welfare through public programs like schools and health care, you cease to be any were close to being a capitalist.
also for those who say communism doesn't work, its never been put in place, so you would never be able to tell (there is no government in communism, as well there isn't money) Also there are communal societies who have worked just fine (the Incan empire, most of the new world empires and the many communal societies even in today's world)
Granite I still think our State Capitalist system promotes achievement a little bit more and hardwork.
also for those who say communism doesn't work, its never been put in place, so you would never be able to tell (there is no government in communism, as well there isn't money) Also there are communal societies who have worked just fine (the Incan empire, most of the new world empires and the many communal societies even in today's world)
Granite I still think our State Capitalist system promotes achievement a little bit more and hardwork.
As has been said, this is a bit pedantic.
I'm a Labour supporter, I just happen to live under a non-Labour government. Can I really still be a labour supporter?
Well yes, yes I can. I'm also a socialist in a capitalist society because I believe in most of the tenets of socialism and practice them were I can.
I'm a Labour supporter, I just happen to live under a non-Labour government. Can I really still be a labour supporter?
Well yes, yes I can. I'm also a socialist in a capitalist society because I believe in most of the tenets of socialism and practice them were I can.
All you need to be a communist is a belief in communism. Saying you can't be a communist outside a communist country is like saying you can't be religious outside a theocracy. (And in fact, a lot of communist ideology is based around the idea there should only be a single country, and that any state that exists outside this is inherently criminal, hence the whole "revolution" thing)
Of course, my guess is it's more of a anti-establishment thing in her case. Historically the "continuous revolution" sorts were the first sort of people to disappear in communist states, for obvious reasons!
Of course, my guess is it's more of a anti-establishment thing in her case. Historically the "continuous revolution" sorts were the first sort of people to disappear in communist states, for obvious reasons!
What he's saying is that the USSR was a State Capitalism rather than a true Communism.mr. awesome said:
A true Communist society is in theory an endgame when all other options have been played out in the cycle of Capitalism. It will happen when mankind is ready for it to happen, and more importantly when it becomes clear that there is no other way of living other than as complete equals in a time when we shall no longer be judged on what kind of car we drive, or how big our house is.
For those of you saying that it didn't work out well in the past (for example in Russia, China and of course North Korea being the big three) well those aren't actually Communist societies. There has never been a truly Communist society. Those examples are all bastardisations of the ideology, pale and horrific imitations of the actuality.
Imagine what could be achieved if mankind was truly unified. An end to the pettiness of greed, the slaughters in the name of religion, the subjugation of Third World populations for the profit of Western corporations, the famine, the wars, the disease.
We could be a great people, we simply lack the light to show us the way
For those of you saying that it didn't work out well in the past (for example in Russia, China and of course North Korea being the big three) well those aren't actually Communist societies. There has never been a truly Communist society. Those examples are all bastardisations of the ideology, pale and horrific imitations of the actuality.
Imagine what could be achieved if mankind was truly unified. An end to the pettiness of greed, the slaughters in the name of religion, the subjugation of Third World populations for the profit of Western corporations, the famine, the wars, the disease.
We could be a great people, we simply lack the light to show us the way
I have a friend like that. He holds a number of what could be considered "extreme" political views, including Communism. We even joke amongst ourselves that my mission in life is to make sure he is never elected to any kind of political office.
Helmholtz Watson said:II2 said:
Son, are you telling me that your friend is a Godless commie?
....lol.
In all seriousness, unless your friend is intending to become some violent revolutionary, I don't think you have anything to worry about. I think she is being ideal, but I think she might change her tune if she grew up in the Soviet Union or North Korea.
There is nothing wrong with being an idealist.
You can be a communist and understand what happened in SU and NK because those were not communism, they were totalitarianism.
Captcha": together again (I guess captcha is from East Berlin)
the issue with being a Communist in a non-Communist country is that they are the "other" kind of Communist.
you have 2 kinds, the revolutionary, and the oppressed. the revolutionary lives outside of communism, and considered it to be far better than whatever system is in place at the moment, these people serve to spread communism to other nations in accordance with the teachings or Marxism. once (if ever) the nation is overthrown or converted in another way to communism, the revolutionary communists are systematically removed from society, because they will inevitably revolt once it is revealed to them that communism is an inherently flawed system of endless downward spirals and oppression. they are eventually replaced with docile workers who long ago lost the will to resist after they were politically or militarily defeated by the revolutionary communists.
your friend's communist buddies look like a cult for a reason, any sane argument will conclude communism to be a flawed system, they use brainwashing and emotional arguments to build support. the President claiming that the credit of private financial success lies in the government infrastructure, a comment that can be seen in State broadcasts from North Korea whenever something good happens, is testament to how effective the process is, even if it is incredibly slow.
you have 2 kinds, the revolutionary, and the oppressed. the revolutionary lives outside of communism, and considered it to be far better than whatever system is in place at the moment, these people serve to spread communism to other nations in accordance with the teachings or Marxism. once (if ever) the nation is overthrown or converted in another way to communism, the revolutionary communists are systematically removed from society, because they will inevitably revolt once it is revealed to them that communism is an inherently flawed system of endless downward spirals and oppression. they are eventually replaced with docile workers who long ago lost the will to resist after they were politically or militarily defeated by the revolutionary communists.
your friend's communist buddies look like a cult for a reason, any sane argument will conclude communism to be a flawed system, they use brainwashing and emotional arguments to build support. the President claiming that the credit of private financial success lies in the government infrastructure, a comment that can be seen in State broadcasts from North Korea whenever something good happens, is testament to how effective the process is, even if it is incredibly slow.
FFS, people are you just parroting that or are you truly clueless? That wasn't communism. In fact it was closer to 1984 than Communism. In fact, speaking of that title, just go ahead and read Animal Farm which deals with exactly that.Combine Rustler said:
So saying "Ugh, Communism didn't work before, therefore is bad" has the same weight as saying "Well, we had utopia before but we moved on". We didn't. There was just the illusion of Communism and the concept exploited as a mask. Can you guess why it didn't work, then?
Oh, yes, and by the way, I am from a country that was under "Communist" rule, both branches from my family (father's and mother's) have suffered due to this. I won't go into details. But I will keep insisting, Communism isn't the incarnation of ultimate evil.