Poll: Necromorphs vs Flood
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flood don't have morals. they think that they are the next level of evolution, and must consume all life. they're killing machines as well. in fact, the flood only talk when they need to use someone as a pawn in their schemes.squid5580 said:
I think, in an intergalactic Flood vs Tyranids vs Necromorph cage match... everyone else dies, then no one is left to keep score. But, if you assume that all other Warhammer/Halo/Dead Space civilizations and tech exist, then it's a tie between Flood and Necromorphs, only becuase theoretically in the Halo rings detonated, then the Tyranids are screwed, but the Flood can and have recovered from the Halo system, and the Necromorphs stem from a hunk of metal which would not be affected by the Halo system. At that point, it's just conjecture to see if the Flood can recover fast enough to destroy the marker, or the Necromorphs can find some new dead species' to infect and wipe out the Gravemind. My money's on the Flood, because theoretically the Gravemind could scrap pieces of itself in order to make the troops needed to destroy the marker (or even do it itself if they are close enough), but the Marker's pretty much up the creek without any dead tissue lying around.
Good point on the crashing into it thing, but the Borg have shown time and again that they are able to completely quarantine entire parts of their ships. Also, because a Borg ship has no critical systems (no bridge, engine room, etc) the Flood would be hard pressed to take over an entire Borg cube.kikon9 said:
And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all Flood have input into the Gravemind? Isn't it the central intelligence system? If so, then assimilating one Flood mutant gives you access to the Gravemind.
Thinking is a dangerous trait when it comes to an ultimate killing machine. Take Jason Vorhees for an example. Ultimate camp counciller killer. But you produce his mom's head and he hesitates. Thought is a weakness. Thinking leads to pride like your post just proved. Thoughts create emotions (which is a far better word than morals). Thought is not to be confused with survival instincts though.cthulhumythos said:
True in some ways, yes. In that situation emotional intelligence is kind of a weakness. But that is just one situation. How did you think we humans gained control over the rest of this world? It sure as hell ain't our physical strength... And yes, we have morals, but if say all the lions and tigres suddenly declared open war on us, we'd exterminate the bollocks out of them without a second thought. An individual might hesitate, but a species wont. If it's you or them, you will do everything to win, and having a superior intellect gives you an extreamly big advantage.squid5580 said:
flood don't hesitate though. you them the corpse of their mother and they'll turn you and the corpse into more flood. also thinking helps when you can fly spaceships and use guns.squid5580 said:
also, necromorphs can be defeated by their lack of intelligence- say they are in ship and kill everyone. what now? wait until some unlucky fool docks and kill him. unless someone warns other ships and the other ships blow them up.
flood would infect everyone, and learn as much as possible about their prey. and then they would devise plans to get more ships, growing in intellect until they are the only species in the galaxy.
You are mistaken. Intelligence is required if you want to take over the world. Flood and Necromorphs don't care about ruling it. They just want to destroy it. IF either one was intent on world domination intelligence is an asset. But when it comes to world destruction it is a weakness.Rhymer said:
And that was just one example. There is plenty in movie history. Freddy almost always gets taken down by his pride. Bud the zombie helped the survivors. The list just goes on and on.
The flood hands down would dominate the entire known universe and probably parallel ones and the unknown universe. In other words pretty much everything. They can infect anything and everything including ships, they can randomly mass into graveminds when enough dead are infected, when a corpse is infected for a long time not only do the flood utilise the body's original strengths but then goes ahead and ramps them up to the best of its ability e.g. elite flood stronger and have better shields, did I mention they can infect everything? Yea necromorphs would be infected as they are just infected humans/alien virus things, nids are aliens so infectable and I bet the marker and a queen nid could be infected by the flood. And remember the rings can only purge the galaxy of this disease by getting rid of all organic matter and making the universe burn.
Super Hive GraveQueenMind Flood, the ultimate boss. Now imagine the boss necromorph from the first game getting infected by the flood and merging with a gravemind. Now that would be something epic.J03bot said:
The Flood.
Of all the alien organisms in games, the Flood is the most dangerous. More than even the Tyranids.
They can absorb anything that once once organic. Anything that has (or had) a nervous system can be immediately turned into a Combat form; anything else can be turned into a Pure Form after a bit of time.
They don't die unless you kill Infection form; and once they become Pure forms, that becomes almost impossible. Even if the Infection form is destroyed, unless the body is completely annihilated, it can be re-infected or reclaimed for materials.
While the basic forms are guided by nothing more than simple hunger drive to infect, the Flood overall are controlled by the Super-Intelligence, the Gravemind, who has the combined knowledge of thousands of races, and the desire and knowledge and will to use it, including the Precursors.
They can also operate and commander any technology the come across, even faster if they've assimilated a being familiar with its use.
And they're far more subversive than any of the other aliens. If necessary, the Gravemind (or a Proto-Gravemind) can direct individual Flood spores to infiltrate societies and races, and use them to covertly infect other members of that race, meaning they can take down entire systems before anyone would even realized that they had arrived.
There is a reason that the Forerunner solution to the Flood was "Kill everything in the universe".
Of all the alien organisms in games, the Flood is the most dangerous. More than even the Tyranids.
They can absorb anything that once once organic. Anything that has (or had) a nervous system can be immediately turned into a Combat form; anything else can be turned into a Pure Form after a bit of time.
They don't die unless you kill Infection form; and once they become Pure forms, that becomes almost impossible. Even if the Infection form is destroyed, unless the body is completely annihilated, it can be re-infected or reclaimed for materials.
While the basic forms are guided by nothing more than simple hunger drive to infect, the Flood overall are controlled by the Super-Intelligence, the Gravemind, who has the combined knowledge of thousands of races, and the desire and knowledge and will to use it, including the Precursors.
They can also operate and commander any technology the come across, even faster if they've assimilated a being familiar with its use.
And they're far more subversive than any of the other aliens. If necessary, the Gravemind (or a Proto-Gravemind) can direct individual Flood spores to infiltrate societies and races, and use them to covertly infect other members of that race, meaning they can take down entire systems before anyone would even realized that they had arrived.
There is a reason that the Forerunner solution to the Flood was "Kill everything in the universe".
Why is everyone saying the flood would win because necromorphs can only infect dead things? I thought the necromorphs were scary because they can infect living things as well and drive you batshit crazy as you transform within seconds.
To be honest there really should be a "neither" option. I don't see anything like the flood and the necros fighting each other. A parasite can't infect a virus. More than anything they'd probably just mutate into something new by trying to infect the same organisms.
To be honest there really should be a "neither" option. I don't see anything like the flood and the necros fighting each other. A parasite can't infect a virus. More than anything they'd probably just mutate into something new by trying to infect the same organisms.
You sir made me face palm hardcore. Flood want to infected everything in its path. Not really kill it. The Gravemind believe it is superior to everything and it truly is if it was real. Its able to gain the memory and knowledge of its infected victims. learning EVERYTHING about them. Their strengths, weakness, possible how to fire their own weapons as well as use their vehicles.squid5580 said:
I don't know much about nerco, they do seem like a threat but come on. If you wanted something to infected the whole universe which would you choose? nerco or flood. Flood is the better choice as they can infect world leaders or military leaders and learn all their tactics and use it against them.
To the Gravemind, he is playing chess with all the other races. Moving one piece at a time and learning how the other player plays and BAM. Checkmate man. As well as GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!
Alright, let's think about this:
Flood - controlled by singular hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue claimed but powered by own bodily processes, evolutionary forms dependent on host, directed by singular purpose, vulnerable to ballistic and conventional weaponry, spread by spore organisms.
Necromorphs - controlled by collective hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue code overwritten and largely independent of bodily processes (parasitic development), evolutionary forms independent of host (rendering models aside, no one human body has a predisposition for bile regurgitation or explosive tumors), undirected independent action - instinctive, resistant to standard ballistic shock and electrical impulse - but vulnerable to total nerve shock (fire, pressure) and immobilization, spread virally by contact - hypothetically able to form memetically if host has submitted its body to ritual and the psychic wave rewrites their code to become susceptible to Necro influence.
Tyranids - Controlled by singular intelligence, though formative based on immediate vicinity of broodmates - even psychic pack leaders theoretically perform worse independently. (Lictors exempt), procreation limited to hive ships and spawn pools, meaning raw material must be stored or extracted on site, evolutionary forms written based on encountered threat, though some gene-stock affects designation in purpose (Ork biovores, SM Tyrant Guard, human Genestealers, etc). Instinctive action unless directed by Tyrant or Zoanthrope, meaning vulnerabilities without proper command structure (like Slivers, the more, the horrifyingly merrier). Tyranid spores can affect organisms as mutagens, but transforming a population is not a material purpose of Nid invasion - suppertime is. Greatly resistant to physical and some psychic shock, bred for war.
Geth - Governed by collective consciousness, a democracy of collaborative programs. Expansion protocols largely unknown, but programs able to write and inhabit any suitable vessel and manufacturing platforms seem easy enough to establish - with purpose, Geth can self-replicate indefinitely, so long as materials are available - they only need physical host machinery to inhabit. No real evolutionary measures taken, simply improved host bodies given on feedback data - adaptation not permanent, merely driven to specific finite objectives. Resistant to physical shock, taken out of Mass Effect universe, proven hardy against most weaponry - suspect critical weakness versus EM attacks. Synthetic life form gaining complexity through local presence of its peers. Not as hardy as its listed biological counterparts, but parallel in method.
SO!
In this test of wills, the Tyranids are the superior war force, as the Flood would attempt to control the 'Nid bodies, encounter the psychic presence of the Fleet Minders, and either turn as many grunt units as it could against a foe ever adapting to the Gravemind's own methods, or be gradually devoured as its Flood bodies would be processed on gained ground to make more troops for Nids. In a war of double turnarounds, the better-prepared force emerges victorious. The necromorphs would not fare well against Nids, save for those who are left unattended by their Psychic shepherds, and any tissue found to be converted would be claimed by the gastric pits. All would be consumed. The Geth may come out the best in this, as there is precious little the Tyranids may take from them (same for other 2 counterparts), though if they put up a fight rather than flee, they would be dealing with a form of weaponry that would bypass kinetic barriers and eat away at them. Plus, what happens when a Zoanthrope psy-lances its way into a Geth collective? Do they talk? Or overload and expire?
Now, Nids aside, the Flood is at a disadvantage against the Necros, because for the two to compete, there would have to be a neutral party (soft squishy humans) to exploit. As such, any deaths incurred in the take-over go to Necros, while the Flood needs living hosts. Undead Flood bodies may give the Marker spawn unforseen advantages, and the psychic pressure from both sides may cause breakdown in Flood living tissue (confusion/rebellion even?)
And speaking of the Marker, it is entirely possible that the Gravemind present on this hypothetical world would make the same mistake Humans keep making and hear its murmurs through its 'children.' The parasite would then attempt to bring it closer for examination, listening to its promises, and any creatures it held in any sort of esteem or even its own fellows would tell the Gravemind that Convergence is a really, REALLY neat idea. So, it would butcher its own flock to make more Marker kids, likely take its own... life? and generate critical mass to create a huge-o DEATHSPLOSION! Altman be praised.
Flood - controlled by singular hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue claimed but powered by own bodily processes, evolutionary forms dependent on host, directed by singular purpose, vulnerable to ballistic and conventional weaponry, spread by spore organisms.
Necromorphs - controlled by collective hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue code overwritten and largely independent of bodily processes (parasitic development), evolutionary forms independent of host (rendering models aside, no one human body has a predisposition for bile regurgitation or explosive tumors), undirected independent action - instinctive, resistant to standard ballistic shock and electrical impulse - but vulnerable to total nerve shock (fire, pressure) and immobilization, spread virally by contact - hypothetically able to form memetically if host has submitted its body to ritual and the psychic wave rewrites their code to become susceptible to Necro influence.
Tyranids - Controlled by singular intelligence, though formative based on immediate vicinity of broodmates - even psychic pack leaders theoretically perform worse independently. (Lictors exempt), procreation limited to hive ships and spawn pools, meaning raw material must be stored or extracted on site, evolutionary forms written based on encountered threat, though some gene-stock affects designation in purpose (Ork biovores, SM Tyrant Guard, human Genestealers, etc). Instinctive action unless directed by Tyrant or Zoanthrope, meaning vulnerabilities without proper command structure (like Slivers, the more, the horrifyingly merrier). Tyranid spores can affect organisms as mutagens, but transforming a population is not a material purpose of Nid invasion - suppertime is. Greatly resistant to physical and some psychic shock, bred for war.
Geth - Governed by collective consciousness, a democracy of collaborative programs. Expansion protocols largely unknown, but programs able to write and inhabit any suitable vessel and manufacturing platforms seem easy enough to establish - with purpose, Geth can self-replicate indefinitely, so long as materials are available - they only need physical host machinery to inhabit. No real evolutionary measures taken, simply improved host bodies given on feedback data - adaptation not permanent, merely driven to specific finite objectives. Resistant to physical shock, taken out of Mass Effect universe, proven hardy against most weaponry - suspect critical weakness versus EM attacks. Synthetic life form gaining complexity through local presence of its peers. Not as hardy as its listed biological counterparts, but parallel in method.
SO!
In this test of wills, the Tyranids are the superior war force, as the Flood would attempt to control the 'Nid bodies, encounter the psychic presence of the Fleet Minders, and either turn as many grunt units as it could against a foe ever adapting to the Gravemind's own methods, or be gradually devoured as its Flood bodies would be processed on gained ground to make more troops for Nids. In a war of double turnarounds, the better-prepared force emerges victorious. The necromorphs would not fare well against Nids, save for those who are left unattended by their Psychic shepherds, and any tissue found to be converted would be claimed by the gastric pits. All would be consumed. The Geth may come out the best in this, as there is precious little the Tyranids may take from them (same for other 2 counterparts), though if they put up a fight rather than flee, they would be dealing with a form of weaponry that would bypass kinetic barriers and eat away at them. Plus, what happens when a Zoanthrope psy-lances its way into a Geth collective? Do they talk? Or overload and expire?
Now, Nids aside, the Flood is at a disadvantage against the Necros, because for the two to compete, there would have to be a neutral party (soft squishy humans) to exploit. As such, any deaths incurred in the take-over go to Necros, while the Flood needs living hosts. Undead Flood bodies may give the Marker spawn unforseen advantages, and the psychic pressure from both sides may cause breakdown in Flood living tissue (confusion/rebellion even?)
And speaking of the Marker, it is entirely possible that the Gravemind present on this hypothetical world would make the same mistake Humans keep making and hear its murmurs through its 'children.' The parasite would then attempt to bring it closer for examination, listening to its promises, and any creatures it held in any sort of esteem or even its own fellows would tell the Gravemind that Convergence is a really, REALLY neat idea. So, it would butcher its own flock to make more Marker kids, likely take its own... life? and generate critical mass to create a huge-o DEATHSPLOSION! Altman be praised.
