Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?

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The forum health meter seems rather stupid. Says I'm full on warnings. Yet I only remember getting three. Plus I've already had 2 probations. So yeah, how the hell is that measured?

In fact, how is the thing measured anyway?

Also, I was under the impression that warnings don't count towards your moderation history, from here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.112832-The-Banhammer-and-You-A-Users-Guide-to-the-Forums].

Warnings: Tier 4

Warnings are not a form of Moderator Wrath, as such, but a warning that is placed on your user record for further reference, should you break said rule you were warned about again. This can happen on the thread in which you have posted on, or via PM - be advised that these are generally given if the crime was not intentional, or merely an obvious mistake (in judgement or otherwise) made by the user.

Be reminded that, if you've been around long enough (or, conversely, if your post count is significant enough to prove you've been around the Forums), you may not receive a warning as you should already know what to do and what not to do (and be assumed to have read the Guidelines, linked to at the bottom of this post.

Also remember that once you have received a warning, the Mods will not be so merciful on your next offense.
So yeah, glad to know our mistakes will permanently be on our record, and make us look worse than we are. Especially when those warnings are from years ago and we've long-since changed for the better.
 

Onyx Oblivion

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The bar needs to drain over time or something.

Otherwise, I really have no major issues with the bar itself existing.

Outside of the non-content related bans. Suspensions for repeat minor infractions? Fine. Bans? Not fine.
 

Choppaduel

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Mar 20, 2009
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My problem is that the health system only goes one way. You can't regain any of the lost points, which will lead to some really unfair bans.

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Onyx Oblivion said:
The bar needs to drain over time or something.

Otherwise, I really have no major issues with the bar itself existing.
ninjas... damn.
 

Woodsey

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Aug 9, 2009
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Generic Gamer said:
So I am now on 'yellow' for accruing far less probations than most users manage in a year?

Oh fuck this noise, way to completely neuter debate! Why should I debate a point when I can be probated for holding a contrary opinion if enough people report me? basically this "forum" is now an agreement machine!
I wouldn't recommend making jokes either. That always goes wrong for me xD

But hey, at least you can now live up to your screen name.

But really, the whole rules system was better way-back-when. They seem to have gone through 3 or 4 iterations in the past few months, which should tell you that the changes aren't working.
 

awesomeClaw

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Aug 17, 2009
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I agree to what others have said.

A warning should disappear after 3 weeks.

A probation after 2 months.

A suspension after 4 months.

That sounds reasonable. Sure, it could be abused, but you can always take two warnings for people who seem to abuse the system.
 

Davey Woo

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Jan 9, 2009
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I don't really understand why people are complaining about not being able to remove a warning. I had one warning ages ago for a fair reason, so I decided to not post anything that could be considered offensive or otherwise questionable again, and I've had no trouble, if you're sitting on 3 warnings, how about you just don't do anything stupid and avoid getting any negative repercussions?

Another thing I'd like to point out, is that the mods probably used a similar system before this new rule set, but the only difference was that you couldn't see the amount of warnings you had.
 

Verlander

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I shall post this before I see them: They need to sort out their punishment system. Some people get severely punished for nothing, some people throw out massively hateful rants and barely get a slap on the wrist. Standardise the punishments.

Reads new rules.

Ok, well I wish they'd had the appeal/4 warning system up a lot sooner. I got given a probation for having bad language in my post (not hateful, nor directed at anyone, just bad language. Yeah, that's right) out of nowhere, and under the assumption that mistakes can be made, I contacted The Escapist under the impression that a mod had got the wrong end of the stick, a cultural misunderstanding. I have never received a reply, and it's cost me those Matrix badges that you get on your profile. As I go out of my way to try and contribute politely and be respectful, it's still a massive kick in the nuts.

Also, define racist? I see loads of Anti-British stuff that never gets reported or punished, so is slamming my country ok? Or do we need different coloured skin, or a different language to be protected? Same with Anti-Americanisms. I'm not talking about disapproving of the politics of a country, I'm talking about open bad mouthing, use of negative stereotypes and general abuse.
 

GeorgW

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Aug 27, 2010
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Vie said:
I'm just wondering why ad-blockers are now rated at the same level as child porn.

I get that they fuck up the business model, but seriously?



And to clarify, I'm not advocating their use ok?
They are classified in the same section, they are definitely not the same.

Woodsey said:
And really, the mods aren't perfect. If one gives you a stupid sentencing that they then refuse to revoke even though you see it as unfair, as does everyone else in the thread, then that gets counted against you forever.
And that's why there's an appeal system.
 

Woodsey

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Generic Gamer said:
Woodsey said:
I wouldn't recommend making jokes either. That always goes wrong for me xD

But hey, at least you can now live up to your screen name.
Or having the guts to defend something that 99% of posters are misunderstanding, that's just inexcusable.

Still, want to post videos of Justin Bieber 'getting shot' and say how much you want various people dead? Go for it!
To be fair, that video from CSI is hilarious.

GeorgW said:
I like it, it'll make my job a bit easier cuz less people will complain about inconsistency. If you have any questions about the new rules, please address them here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/Moderation-Team].
Why don't you have a FHM?
 

AngryMongoose

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Jan 18, 2010
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Can't say I like that forum health-bar. It says I can receive 4 more warnings without negative consequences, but with 1 easily viewable by anyone who clicks on my profile, I've already got a negative consequence.
 

AngryMongoose

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Jan 18, 2010
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Okay, for the record, the escapist new rules page did this, not me >.<

If I knew it'd be viewable on my profile, I'd have appealed against the warning. It didn't contain many words, sure, but that doesn't mean it's low content.
 

Actual

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Jun 24, 2008
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They haven't really changed have they?

This site needs to be harsher on trolls and more lenient on real users looking for fun discussion who're just wise-cracking.

And the advice forum needs to die in a fire.

EDIT: No I take it back. I have been issued two warnings in the past, at the time these were issued they did not effect my account at all, it was merely the mods' way of letting me know I was getting close to stepping over the line, education over punishment. Now I see that they are counted against me forever, if I get enough I get banned. The new system is a big 'nay' for me.
 

orangebandguy

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I must inspect this.

*le inspects..

*after inspection, shouldn't really bother me anyways, I've never recieved a probation ever. LOOK AT MY SHINY NEO BADGE! <3

Only thing I would be a bit worried about is the "was put on probation for:" being around permanently and making visual clutter.
 

GeorgW

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Woodsey said:
GeorgW said:
I like it, it'll make my job a bit easier cuz less people will complain about inconsistency. If you have any questions about the new rules, please address them here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/Moderation-Team].
Why don't you have a FHM?
Because I don't know what you mean. Mind explaining?
 

Woodsey

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GeorgW said:
Woodsey said:
And really, the mods aren't perfect. If one gives you a stupid sentencing that they then refuse to revoke even though you see it as unfair, as does everyone else in the thread, then that gets counted against you forever.
And that's why there's an appeal system.
OK, but without diving into my own specific example, that's what I meant by "refuse to revoke".

GeorgW said:
Woodsey said:
GeorgW said:
I like it, it'll make my job a bit easier cuz less people will complain about inconsistency. If you have any questions about the new rules, please address them here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/Moderation-Team].
Why don't you have a FHM?
Because I don't know what you mean. Mind explaining?
Forum health metre.
 

Xan Krieger

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Feb 11, 2009
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Definitely nay, I'm on permanant probation and most of my forum health bar is from the moderators trolling me. Good to know I'm gonna get banned if the mods feel like being mean.
 

TimeLord

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New forum rules eh? I'll get back to you after I've made this post.

Edit: After a quick read. Not much has changed, just the punishment system. Which you shouldn't have to worry about if you aren't planning on being a douche. And even then, you get 4 warnings. And you can still appeal.