Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?

[Fitzcaraldo]

They seem pretty reasonable, but I agree that there should be some way of getting back your "forum health".

 

[Z of the Na'vi]

They are but it's not visible on profiles.

Of course, any mod would tell you that, but why exactly won't they show it? The answer should be pretty fucking obvious.

I'm either blind or ignorant.

If the answer to the latter half of your post is sitting right in front of my face, I don't see it.

[small]I received a warning in this thread for merely making a small joke, so I'm a bit afraid to say much more for fear of mod wrath.[/small]

 

[Small Waves]

I received a warning in this thread for merely making a small joke, so I'm a bit afraid to say much more for fear of mod wrath.

Welcome to the Escapist Forums: No Fun Allowed

 

[kondroks]

Dunno. It looks like they might help.

 

[Bohemian Waltz]

I pretty much agree with everyone saying the 1-way forum health bar is a bit heavy handed, but I'm more upset that the rules didn't function in this manner previously and those of us that occurred infractions in the past are now punished by it.

If you want to change the rules that's fine, but to not offer full amnesty to those who gained infractions under a different system of law seems completely unfair.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

well its good and bad.. i can see some people getting unnecessarily banned.

 

[powell86]

No. It. Isn't. Pedophiles =/= child molesters. There are plenty of pedophiles who are good, normal people who would never harm children because they know better. It's the child molesters that give them a bad name. I for one thing the AVs might already be having an effect, as that escaped mod wrath for a whole long time.

Pedophiles are people too, you know. It is actually akin to saying the same thing about homosexuals.

Erm... yes granted i agree that there are normal adults who are sexually attracted to children but are decent human beings who do not prey on children. pedophiles =/= definite child molesters.

However, the general public consensus:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Paedophiles (check the thesaurus)
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=catch+a+paedophile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a


This to me is leaning towards political correctness gone wrong.
Shouldn't benefit of the doubt be given to him considering that most people do mean pedophiles = sexual predators? I honestly question how many so called "decent pedophiles" are hurt by his statement on this site? Alternatively, what are the chances of a pedophile advocacy group suing Escapist forum for allowing such "misguided" use of the word to take place? Next thing I noe we cannot use the word fag or ****** as part of a sentence anymore becuz homosexuals will be upset even though there are colloquial usages of such terms in our day to day conversation. And even when that happens, I'll feel less aggravated as LGBT groups ARE getting more and more mainstream and gaining in numbers.

 

[4fromK]

checking new forum rules

 

[Small Waves]

Shouldn't benefit of the doubt be given to him considering that most people do mean pedophiles = sexual predators?

Nope. Pedophilia is an attraction, not an action. Also, most child sexual abuse crimes aren't committed by pedophiles.

I honestly question how many so called "decent pedophiles" are hurt by his statement on this site?

If I wanted to be on a web forum where mods actively go on witch hunts, I'd pay the $10 to sign up for Something Awful.

 

[Mr. Gency]

Well all I ever got from the mods are warnings- Wait? You're saying warning do affect my heath? Hm... Considering how old those warnings are, I can safely proclaim that there is no regenerating heath.

 

[jboking]

Nearly every objection I'm hearing about this neutering debate on the forums or this being 'teh worst ruels evar' I've saw last time they changed the rules. Nothing really changed last time. I doubt there will be another major shift in moderation. The only major difference now is that we have a FHM/FHB. All that means is that if you've had an infraction in the past, everyone can see it and is aware of it. I think it could become a very effective way of point out who on the forum is just trying to get a rise out of you when they argue.

In all fairness though, all the comments about 'not being a jerk' ruining debate are pretty baseless when you look at how this was handled last time. I mean, I've gone into arguments and been a moderate jerkass about my points, but presented them in a polite way. Doing so, I've never gotten an infraction. If you really are tied to being a jerkass and presenting your jerkassedness to the world it the rudest way possible, then you should expect moderation.

I have no problem with the system. It's not a big yay, or nay for me. It's a big moving on.

Edit: Also, the Escapist represents the old school. The only people that need regenerating health are the ones that can't handle the intensity of fixed health.

 

[4fromK]

Similarly, posts including, advocating , or linking to illegal or adult material are a very quick way to end your time as part of The Escapist community. An example of these are:
Piracy
Ad Blockers
Illegal Drugs in the United States
Illegal Acts in the United States
Pedophilia
Pornography
Sexist, Racist or Perverted Remarks

I am uncomfortable with the use of advocating here. I can't advocate piracy, in any situation, not even playing games out of distribution, watching subversive films banned from theatres in your country, etc? Or ad blockers? If an ad is stopping some online game from loading, and an adblocker fixes it, if I mention the fix I get banned? I can't advocate marijuana use, even if I live in, say, the netherlands or somewhere else with a less harsh view on the drug, and have positive things to say abou it? I can;t start up a discussion on pedophilia? (Child molestation is not ok, but pedophiles are just people who have a mental disorder, that they don;t have to act on to be pedophiles. Pedophile does not equal child molestor, definately. its a square rectangle relationship.)(also, not a pedophiles. Pedophiles are wierd, I don't like them, But I respect their right to exist, and post on forums, and to try defend their sexuality)

Wait, how are ad blockers illegal or adult? thats fucking bullshit! I mean, I don't use adblockers because I want sites like the escapist to get revenue from me, but fuck banning advocacy of them.

the letter of the law is is very vague to. "Pornography" is a term which gets slung around a lot. one mans porn is another venus de milo. so I advocate what I think is a sexual work of art and get banned for promoting porn? (for example, I think IFM is a pretty arty take on female masturbation, but most people would probably classify it as porn.)

I dunno, the vague wording, the banning of advocating illegal activities, and the banning of ad blocker discussion even though they are neither adult nor illegal makes me uncomfortable.

 

[raecor14]

lol this is realy harsh

 

[powell86]

No. It. Isn't. Pedophiles =/= child molesters. There are plenty of pedophiles who are good, normal people who would never harm children because they know better. It's the child molesters that give them a bad name. I for one thing the AVs might already be having an effect, as that escaped mod wrath for a whole long time.

Pedophiles are people too, you know. It is actually akin to saying the same thing about homosexuals.

Erm... yes granted i agree that there are normal adults who are sexually attracted to children but are decent human beings who do not prey on children. pedophiles =/= definite child molesters.

However, the general public consensus:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Paedophiles (check the thesaurus)
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=catch+a+paedophile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a


This to me is leaning towards political correctness gone wrong.
Shouldn't benefit of the doubt be given to him considering that most people do mean pedophiles = sexual predators? I honestly question how many so called "decent pedophiles" are hurt by his statement on this site? Alternatively, what are the chances of a pedophile advocacy group suing Escapist forum for allowing such "misguided" use of the word to take place? Next thing I noe we cannot use the word fag or ****** as part of a sentence anymore becuz homosexuals will be upset even though there are colloquial usages of such terms in our day to day conversation. And even when that happens, I'll feel less aggravated as LGBT groups ARE getting more and more mainstream and gaining in numbers.

That's not the problem. He can not like them. I nobody cares about that. However, he's forcing people to stay silent because he doesn't like them due to a bullshit stereotype. That's a civil rights issue.

I highly disagree that it's a civil rights issue. If not you will not have tv programs and newspapers using pedophiles and child molestation interchangeably.

Anyway I'm not here to argue on right or wrong of linking pedophiles and child molestation.
What I have issue is this:

We as a society (e.g. the world) has certain biases, certain likes and dislikes and certain ways of talking. There has been more or less a societal acceptable standards on how people converse which in this case I have clearly demonstrated that MOST PEOPLE uses pedos and child molestation interchangeably. Now whether that's right or not it's not my call. And when the Mods has started to decide that it is discriminatory the mods has hence started to impose a higher moral standard than what society has called for. This to me is unnecessary. So whats next then? Set a new standard for "dickishness"? Or deem sarcasm as detrimental? This is totally above board. You can disagree with the world, and the people ard it, but to penalize someone for having a view similar to most others in the world even though that may or may not be correct, I think that's too much.

*adding Small Waves to the discussion

hello

 

[IronicBeet]

No. It. Isn't. Pedophiles =/= child molesters. There are plenty of pedophiles who are good, normal people who would never harm children because they know better. It's the child molesters that give them a bad name. I for one thing the AVs might already be having an effect, as that escaped mod wrath for a whole long time.

Pedophiles are people too, you know. It is actually akin to saying the same thing about homosexuals.

Erm... yes granted i agree that there are normal adults who are sexually attracted to children but are decent human beings who do not prey on children. pedophiles =/= definite child molesters.

However, the general public consensus:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Paedophiles (check the thesaurus)
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=catch+a+paedophile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a


This to me is leaning towards political correctness gone wrong.
Shouldn't benefit of the doubt be given to him considering that most people do mean pedophiles = sexual predators? I honestly question how many so called "decent pedophiles" are hurt by his statement on this site? Alternatively, what are the chances of a pedophile advocacy group suing Escapist forum for allowing such "misguided" use of the word to take place? Next thing I noe we cannot use the word fag or ****** as part of a sentence anymore becuz homosexuals will be upset even though there are colloquial usages of such terms in our day to day conversation. And even when that happens, I'll feel less aggravated as LGBT groups ARE getting more and more mainstream and gaining in numbers.

That's not the problem. He can not like them. I nobody cares about that. However, he's forcing people to stay silent because he doesn't like them due to a bullshit stereotype. That's a civil rights issue.

I didn't know that saying something bad about a group of individuals was "forcing them to stay silent". If I say that Neo-Nazis are jerks, am I going to get suspended for "forcing them to stay silent"? Will I get in trouble if I make a joke that pokes fun at a group of people's views because it might hurt someone's feelings?

And no, I'm not directly comparing Nazis to pedophiles.

 

[jboking]

Similarly, posts including, advocating , or linking to illegal or adult material are a very quick way to end your time as part of The Escapist community. An example of these are:
Piracy
Ad Blockers
Illegal Drugs in the United States
Illegal Acts in the United States
Pedophilia
Pornography
Sexist, Racist or Perverted Remarks

I am uncomfortable with the use of advocating here. I can't advocate piracy, in any situation, not even playing games out of distribution, watching subversive films banned from theatres in your country, etc?

While some might view that as a justified reason for piracy, it does not defeat the fact that piracy is an illegal activity and therefore, shouldn't be advocated

Wait, how are ad blockers illegal or adult? thats fucking bullshit! I mean, I don't use adblockers because I want sites like the escapist to get revenue from me, but fuck banning advocacy of them.

You really answered your own question. It's because it fucks over the sites revenue stream. They don't want it to spread freely across the community and lead to nearly no one watching the adds, meaning the escapist isn't making any money.

I dunno, the vague wording, the banning of advocating illegal activities, and the banning of ad blocker discussion even though they are neither adult nor illegal makes me uncomfortable.

Banning of advocating illegal activities should honestly be a given. They're illegal, and the escapist doesn't want to get caught up in any issues if their members are promoting those things. Also, you can have discussion about ad blocker, but you can't advocate it's use, those are two very different things. Long story short, don't shout from the hills that you are blocking ads. I personally don't find the wording very vague, and I'm willing to bet that IFM would get you some wrath. Just my view on the whole thing.

 

[Daedalus1942]

No. It. Isn't. Pedophiles =/= child molesters. There are plenty of pedophiles who are good, normal people who would never harm children because they know better. It's the child molesters that give them a bad name. I for one thing the AVs might already be having an effect, as that escaped mod wrath for a whole long time.

Pedophiles are people too, you know. It is actually akin to saying the same thing about homosexuals.

Erm... yes granted i agree that there are normal adults who are sexually attracted to children but are decent human beings who do not prey on children. pedophiles =/= definite child molesters.

However, the general public consensus:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Paedophiles (check the thesaurus)
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=catch+a+paedophile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a


This to me is leaning towards political correctness gone wrong.
Shouldn't benefit of the doubt be given to him considering that most people do mean pedophiles = sexual predators? I honestly question how many so called "decent pedophiles" are hurt by his statement on this site? Alternatively, what are the chances of a pedophile advocacy group suing Escapist forum for allowing such "misguided" use of the word to take place? Next thing I noe we cannot use the word fag or ****** as part of a sentence anymore becuz homosexuals will be upset even though there are colloquial usages of such terms in our day to day conversation. And even when that happens, I'll feel less aggravated as LGBT groups ARE getting more and more mainstream and gaining in numbers.

That's not the problem. He can not like them. I nobody cares about that. However, he's forcing people to stay silent because he doesn't like them due to a bullshit stereotype. That's a civil rights issue.

And he appears to be getting paedophiles mixed up with child molesters.
Hooray for personal predjudices, nice to see no-one's innocent til proven guilty!
-Tabs<3-

 

[ShadowKatt]

snip

Your avatar is oddly appropriate in this context.

Spoiler: I'm sorry, Dave

 

[Leg End]

Basically, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. A child molester is a pedophile, but a pedophile is not a child molester.

That is actually incorrect. Very few of them are actually Pedophiles. :/

 

[powell86]

honestly, the escapist forum's have kinda bored me for a while now anyway. Seems most of the people posting are still tithonking retards, but it has the added tense rule environment with the overuse of the banhammer. thank god I got over forums a while ago. Den of scum and villiany and all that.

Hi 4fromK,

sorry to quote you for my argument which has nothing to do with whatever you have said.

@HG131, @RedEyesBlackGamer, and @Small Waves

Look at this post, will you think it is warning worthy? he has used the phrase "tithonking" retards. Oh noes, RETARDS? Thats discriminatory isn't it too?

Check out Tropic Thunder's "retard" controversy.

So why am I certain that Mods won't give him a warning? Oh? Cuz using retard as a colloquial term is ok now? Just like how everybody uses the word retard?